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10 minutes ago, PCSJZ said:

My answers above next to your questions. Anyone feel free to correct anything I have said

Q: Every human has three bodies namely physical, subtle (sookhsham) and casual (karan). science only deals with what is visible that is physical body or waking stage. Indian researchers of truth did find the other two. Sookhsham body is dreaming stage and casual is combination of two. All three exist in expanse of maya. These are called "trai Gunas" in gurbani and a sikh has to reach turiya stage by crossing these. Is all this true?

My question is can subtle body and casual body can have feelings? Who has to cross these: mind/surat?

On 5/30/2022 at 3:33 PM, SunnySingh said:

A1) Why should they not talk?

What is the harm in it?

They should talk about mukti.

If a religion does not talk about mukti, then, that religion is not a religion but more likely a cult. The term religion comes from the latin word "religare", which means that what reunites us with our origin. 

And if you do not want to listen about mukti, then do not listen nor look to their teachings, just keep yourself busy  with other things.

The purpose of a true religion is to bring that awareness in us, that, we are in alien land, which is inert, temporary, and subject dissolution.

Or do you think you are going to live here for ever?

Because such a couple of questions like yours above, makes one think in that direction

If you think so, then sorry to say that, maybe you are voluntarily choosing to indefinetely extend your stay more in the wheel of the otherwise unendable cycle of births and deaths.

The Bani clearly tells us:  KIS NAAL KEEJAY DOSTEE SABH JAG CHALANHAAR.

Prophets, Bhagats, Incarnations, Guru Sahiban, all highly spiritual beings, whenever they came here on earth, had to go back also and respect the laws of Nature without any manipulations. 

Ravan, and other devlish beings throughout the history, they tried to manipulate Nature and secure eternal life on this inert, false,  and temporary creation. 

What was the result in all those cases? All of them were fierecely blown to death by Nature.

 

A2) No, they are not antilife.

Because they do not induce anybody to not live their lives with dignity, nor do they tell anybody to suicide, rather they are (if only true religion) the cause of our freedom from falsehood (koor maya), and thus life givers of eternity, because they teach us to take the Amrit of Nam within us, in order to become one with our origin, namely Waheguru Akal Purukh who is the Only eternal Truth, and the fountain of bliss and true happiness.

 

I will not talk of other religions, about what they have to offer or not to the soul ...

But I will only talk from the perspective of Sikhee, which I find the most rational, and universal teachings.

Not limited to any  particular land, country, continent, race or gender... rather it is a universal and a practical path of utmost love and devotion for our creator Waheguru Akal Purukh.

Please, do go a bit through the Bani, in any Ang, where only what you will find is that, Guru Sahiban tell us, that, do not remain in the false illusion, created by your limited mind, which is the cause of all your pain and anguish, rather come out of that realm of falsehood which is subject to decay and dissolution, and by strongly holding on Naam alone, step into the realm of Truth and eternity, which is Sach Khand, the realm of SAT NAM, AKAL PURUKH.

God bless you.

Brother I have read lots. I am Sikh. You mentioned Ramana Maharishi: I have listened him too.  The truth is mind attacks back. When you sit in Sunn (Silent Awareness), it start saying there is nothing here, Now what? 

On 5/28/2022 at 8:43 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

More food for thought. Of the variety of living states and bodies we manifest in for periods of time, the physical body is...the death state. That's why it's rotting bro. This is the most necrotic state, slowest, densest, most limited, most painful. Most people who sell their souls for profit, use said profit to medicate all the pains of the flesh, which doesn't even work, just destroys them faster. And in this pursuit of bits of dust we lose our souls for long periods of time. 

Wouldn't it be nice to be free of death, and free of life? Be truly free? You can still take a body after Mukte, it's just not this ignorant, out of control, succession of meat sacks with amnesia. 

 

 

I put questions  earlier two times but it did not get posted: so I made an account.

When we do Simran, who is doing it? Mann/Atma

When sometimes dies who dies? It looks like mind dies and atma remains & atma is already free so how one takes birth again.

1. We as atman are not born & not die so its all mind who is doing everything by getting power from Atma & it dies then how come it takes birth again...so it appears that mind does not die cause it takes birth again then may be part of it dies. Please explain who dies?

Q: after someone dies can it still feel any pain? or it needs body for that?

Q: Every human has three bodies namely physical, subtle (sookhsham) and casual (karan). science only deals with what is visible that is physical body or waking stage. Indian researchers of truth did find the other two. Sookhsham body is dreaming stage and casual is combination of two. All three exist in expanse of maya. These are called "trai Gunas" in gurbani and a sikh has to reach turiya stage by crossing these. Is all this true?

My question is can subtle body and casual body can have feelings? Who has to cross these: mind/surat?
 

ਮੂਈ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਬਾਦੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ॥

Mooee Surath Baadh Ahankaar ||

Awareness, conflict and ego have died,

ਗਉੜੀ (ਮਃ ੧) (੪) ੨:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੫੨ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Gauri Guru Nanak Dev

ਓਹੁ ਨ ਮੂਆ ਜੋ ਦੇਖਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੨॥

Ouhu N Mooaa Jo Dhaekhanehaar ||2||

But the One who sees does not die. ||2||

ਗਉੜੀ (ਮਃ ੧) (੪) ੨:੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੫੨ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Gauri Guru Nanak Dev

ਹਉ ਨ ਮੂਆ ਮੇਰੀ ਮੁਈ ਬਲਾਇ ॥

Ho N Mooaa Maeree Muee Balaae ||

I have not died - that evil nature within me has died.

ਗਉੜੀ (ਮਃ ੧) (੪) ੪:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੫੨ ਪੰ. ੭
Raag Gauri Guru Nanak Dev

ਓਹੁ ਨ ਮੂਆ ਜੋ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥

Ouhu N Mooaa Jo Rehiaa Samaae ||

The One who is pervading everywhere does not die.

ਗਉੜੀ (ਮਃ ੧) (੪) ੪:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੫੨ ਪੰ. ੭
Raag Gauri Guru Nanak Dev