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basically http://www.sewainternational.com has been set up to fund hindu extremists in india and abroad and they have been very succesful esp recently because of gujurat earthquake and tsunami

Also i think that as Sikhi connects us with Vaheguru then it allows us to respect humanity and understand what it is to be a human.

Guys just found an interesting video online about this..... http://www.awaazsaw.org/c4script.htm

nice piece of info

As stated earlier the government has not made the report public even though it was published to them beginning of Feb 05, hence the Sikh toon, check out following websites for more details: http://www.witness84.com http://www.ensaaf.org http://www.carnage84.com http://www.punjabjustice.org

http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/feb/11inter2.htm Harvinder Singh Phoolka, senior advocate, Supreme Court, and former additional advocate general, Punjab, stands apart from his colleagues in the legal fraternity. At the risk of incurring the then Congress government's wrath, he took up the cases of the victims of the 1984 anti-Sikh riots. In an interview with Associate Editor Onkar Singh in New Delhi, Phoolka discussed the Justice G T Nanavati Commission report on the riots, which was submitted to Home Minister Shivraj Patil this week. Are you disappointed that the government is refusing the make public the report's contents? From the proceedings, which took place on Wednesday evening when Justice Nanavati handed over the report to Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil before the media but refused to take questions, it seems that the government is adopting double standards. On the one hand the government made public the interim report submitted by Justice U C Bannerjee on the Godhra incident. In this case there is a reluctance. We are disappointed. Is the government trying to suppress the report? If we go by the sequence of events then it does seem the government is trying to shelve the report. But it is too early to say what the government will eventually do. Will you move the Supreme Court to force the government to make the contents public? It is too early to say anything. Moving the Supreme Court will be our last option. We hope better sense prevails and the government sooner or later makes the report public. Leaks to the media suggest that the report absolves the Congress party of its role in the 1984 riots. I do not think that the leaks that have been appearing in the print media or are being talked about on television are authentic. There is so much of contradiction between various claims. On the one hand they say top Congress leaders like Sajjan Kumar, H K L Bhagat and Dharamdas Shastri were involved in the riots, that the home ministry was negligent and did not perform its duties. On the other hand they claim that the Congress party has been absolved of its responsibility. Look at the Congress of 1984 and not of the Congress of today. If Bhagat, Shastri and Sajjan are named, then who is left in the party? They were all powerful people. So I do not think what is being talked about in the media is correct. A judge of Justice Nanavati's stature is not going to submit that kind of report. Twenty years on, does it serve any purpose to set up a commission of inquiry? I would look at things in a different manner. Over 4,000 Sikhs were killed in Delhi alone between October 31, 1984 and November 2, 1984, and most of them in broad daylight. Do you allow the guilty to go scot free just because the perpetrators of such heinous crimes were able to protect themselves from the law for 20 years? If you allow this to happen, the cycle of violence and riots will keep on recurring. If you forget the 1984 riots then you have to be prepared for another one. Today if you forget the Gujarat riots then you have to be prepared for another round there as well. Do you see similarities between the 1984 riots and the Gujarat riots? I would say there are similarities as well as differences. Similarity lies in large-scale violence, the mob frenzy and the killing of innocent people. Unfortunately, a message is going around that you kill innocent people in mobs and you can go scot free. Recently, we had an incident in Haryana where four Dalits were killed by a mob because they are skinning a dead cow. Just because the sarpanch of the village in Jhajjhar said these people had killed the cow, the four innocent people had to pay with their lives. This trend needs to be checked. There is a general feeling that such commissions are influenced by the parties in power. I do not agree with this kind of logic. Some may toe the line but there are others who give bold findings. Take Justice Rajinder Sachhar who gave the ruling against the government in the 1984 riot case and directed the Delhi and central government not to wind up relief camps, which they intended to do. Are you surprised that the same judge is inquiring into the anti-Sikh riots and the Gujarat riots? I cannot recollect any other precedent where the same judge had inquired into two cases of riots at the same time. One inquiry involves the Congress and its leaders and the other involves the BJP and its leaders. Do you think he will do justice? Judges are supposed to give impartial findings, irrespective of who is heading the government. He gives his findings on the basis of material before him. It is immaterial who is involved and who is not as far as the judge is concerned. The judge heading a commission of inquiry is supposed to give independent findings. I am confident a judge of the calibre of Justice Nanavati will do the same.

http://www.witness84.com/ palm_w1 http://www.witness84.com have got a a section on the Nanavati report 2005, the thing is the government has not made it public yet : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050211/ldh1.htm#4 Make Nanavati report public, demand riot victims Tribune News Service Ludhiana, February 10 The victims of the 1984 anti-Sikh riots today deplored the attempts of the Union Home Ministry to “hush up†the findings of the Justice Nanavati Commission, which submitted its report to the Union Home Minister, Mr Shiv Raj Patil, yesterday. The president of the Danga Peerit Welfare Association, Mr Surjit Singh, alleged that Mr Patil was trying to shield those who were held guilty by Justice Nanavati. He observed that Mr Patil was trying to hush up the report, at least till the election process in Bihar and Jharkhand gets completed. He demanded that the findings of the commission be made public. Mr Surjit apprehended that Mr Patil, who belongs to the Congress, was obviously trying to shield his party and its leaders by keeping the findings under close wraps. The riot victims, who are mostly concentrated in and around Dugri and Urban Estate, alleged that it (the submission of the report and keeping it confidential) only amounted to rubbing salt on their wounds. They said they did not expect justice from the Congress-led UPA government. Another victim, Manmohan Singh, who had come here from Janakpuri in New Delhi, said they had hoped that the government would make the report public.

Manmohan Singh's response to Nanavati Report on 1984 Anti-Sikh Massacre

yeah a Sikh

I dont hate Hindus ....i got some Hindu friends actually (not proud of that ...lol) because I aint dumb enough to paint all the people with the same colour ......but dont like people who try to rewrite history ..... and are sellouts ...it hurts more when its your own people ..... never mind ..... and there were alot of hindus that killed Sikhs ..... why you afraid to admit it..... the majority cried when indira was shot .....why ?? that woman was evil to Sikhs and to her own people aswell.......

http://www.ensaaf.org

nice backround work.....lol If there is anything wrong with the presentation ....please feel free to post .... I think it is a very good presentation and puts across a good point ....... if realities are different that is a weakness that we as the Sikh community need to work on..... not accept as the truth. If we do then we are the ones that are gonna lose out and suffer....

'Seeds of conflict' ........its just a assumption/question.....lol

It does via surnames etc...

Bruce I take it you are not Sikh

check out cool presentation: http://www.sikhtoons.com/DividedSikhs.html

nice work by http://www.sikhtoons.com

well said

The Indian Government was involved

Karmjeet dont waste your time. With their thinking anything goes......... they seem to justify anything..... The thing is without Rehat, There is No Sikhi: If His humble servant believes, and acts according to the Words of the Guru's Bani, then the Guru, in person, emancipates him. ||5|| Guru Raam Daas Ji, Raag Nat Naaraayan. 982 "Rehit Piari Mujh Ko, Sikh Piara Nahi" The code of conduct is loving to me, the Sikh is not loving to me Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaaj Bhul Chuk Maaf Karna Jee Of course you have to have love etc... but without fear of Vaheguru, how will you love Vaheguru ...... the pleasures of the world will most likely take over if you have no fear . A Sikh is a Sikh because of his beliefs and code of conduct (Rehit) If the Sikhs had no dos and donts (rehit), then they will be simply assimilate into society around them, or into hinduism for example. Thats the anything goes culture................ its a disgrace i have heard about so called Sikhs in Guru Bana (Religious clothing) Drinking Alcohol ........... What the f**k are these people doing.......they are disgracing Sikhi....... because that is not their roop ....but it is Sikhi Saroop ......... its a degrading attack on the saroop of the Khalsa from the inside.

The point about gandhi not being a brahmin ..... i think the post is about her thought and ideology rather than her birth. But I am not here to debate this as it is just one point....it maybe wrong or right.... All I am saying that this is a very good summary of the sangh pariwar that are terrorist organisations that have committed murder on mass scale like Godhra (2002) and Delhi (1984)..... This is a good starting point to learn about these tyranical organisations.......If you know better please give us the information......(or better sources, please post website)

The government hasnt published the Nanavati report yet ........ what are they waiting for ?

There are probably a few mistakes on here, but on the whole it is a good piece of information, I bet alot of readers never heard of half the groups, but with Guru's Kirpa they are getting exposed ..... groups like the NHSF etc...

Guys there was alot of money collected for the Gujurat Earthquake and more recently Tsunami Appeal. Majority went to good cause. There are a number of deserving charity organisations out there, including: http://www.khalsaaid.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- But just wanted to warn about false charities, one being Sewa International. CHeck out this website : http://www.awaazsaw.org/ibf/index.htm SUMMARY & RECOMMENDATIONS AWAAZ – SOUTH ASIA WATCH LTD. LONDON, 2004 Violent hate politics against Muslim and Christian minorities has grown massively in India in recent years. This resulted in the death of 2,000 people, mostly Muslims, and the displacement of 200,000 more in the state of Gujarat in 2002. Victims included British citizens. The ideology behind this hate-driven politics is called ‘Hindutva.’ The organization at the core of Hindutva activities is the extremist, paramilitary, Fascist-inspired Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). The RSS is dedicated to turning India from a secular democratic multi-religious society into an authoritarian anti-minority ‘Hindu nation’. Gandhi’s murderer was an RSS activist. The RSS and its family of closely-allied organizations have been repeatedly indicted over several decades by international and Indian human rights organizations, judicial commissions and official bodies for their role in large scale violence and hatred against minority groups, including the Gujarat pogroms in 2002. The report demonstrates that The extremist RSS’s front organizations have received millions of pounds raised from the British public. These funds were collected by the Leicester-based registered charity, Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (HSS) and its fundraising arm Sewa International. HSS and Sewa International are UK branches of the RSS and the main purpose of their fundraising is to channel money to extremist RSS fronts in India, despite their claim to be non-sectarian, non-religious, non-political and purely humanitarian organizations (see Box 1). Sewa International’s deep connections with the extremist RSS were not made known to donors and the British public who gave funds in good faith for Indian humanitarian causes. These connections were also unknown to patrons of Sewa International appeals (see Box 1, Box 2). The overwhelming bulk of funds HSS and Sewa International collected from the British public in the name of charity, including for humanitarian relief after the Gujarat earthquake in 2001 and the Orissa cyclone in 1999, were given to extremist RSS fronts in India (see Box 2). RSS allies funded from UK public donations include groups directly involved in large scale violence and the promotion of hatred (see Box 3). Funds from the UK intended for disaster relief were used to expand and glorify the hate-driven RSS’s networks in India (see Box 2). The report recommends that The charitable status of HSS and other associated charities should be withdrawn and public sector funding and political patronage of these organizations should end (see Box 4). BOX 1 HINDU SWAYAMSEVAK SANGH (HSS) IS THE UK BRANCH OF THE RSS MAIN PURPOSE OF SEWA INTERNATIONAL IS TO RAISE FUNDS FOR RSS PROJECTS EXTENT OF DEEP RSS CONNECTION NOT MADE PUBLIC The Leicester-based HSS, a registered charity, is a branch of the Indian RSS. It runs about 70 weekly physical and ideological training cells in the UK. The HSS is modelled on the RSS, actively promotes RSS ideology and shares the RSS aim of turning India into an exclusive ‘Hindu nation’. The RSS in India considers the HSS to be its UK branch. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad UK and the Kalyan Ashram Trust UK, both registered charities, are also branches of the RSS family operating in the UK. The full report details numerous, extensive, deep and active connections between the HSS and the RSS. Sewa International is the fundraising arm of the HSS. The main purpose of Sewa International is to raise funds from the British public for RSS projects in India. Sewa International and the HSS have misled donors, the public and patrons about their long-standing, deep and committed relationship with the Indian RSS. Neither Sewa International nor the HSS informed donors and the public that their donations were used almost exclusively to support RSS front organizations, and that the main purpose of HSS and Sewa International fundraising is to channel money to these RSS fronts. Funds raised by Sewa International from British donors and the public have run into millions of pounds. The overwhelming bulk of these funds have been channelled to RSS front organizations. Sewa International is not a registered charity. It uses the charity registration number of the HSS to raise funds from the British public. BOX 2 EARTHQUAKE FUNDS FROM BRITISH PUBLIC USED TO EXPAND RSS NETWORKS & GLORIFY THE RSS VAST BULK OF PUBLIC FUNDS WERE GIVEN BY SEWA INTERNATIONAL TO RSS FRONTS An alarming chain links unsuspecting British donors to the active political promotion and glorification of the RSS. Charitable funds raised by Sewa International from the British public have been directly used to expand RSS institutions and networks in India, to further the aims, objectives and activities of RSS organizations, and to glorify the RSS and its leaders. Sewa International’s activities around both the Gujarat earthquake (2001) and the Orissa cyclone (1999) demonstrate a pattern in which a natural, human tragedy is used to enable the dramatic expansion of RSS institutions through the use of overseas funds. Gujarat earthquake 2001 In key Gujarat earthquake fundraising appeals, Sewa International did not disclose its associations with the HSS or the RSS and it did not state that it was fundraising exclusively for RSS affiliates. This misled British donors and public, most of whom would have been horrified by the RSS’s history, ideology and activities. All £2 million raised from the British public by Sewa International for Gujarat earthquake reconstruction and rehabilitation from 2001 was for a major RSS affiliate, Sewa Bharati. Sewa Bharati is dedicated to creating an exclusive Hindu nation. Sewa Bharati’s reconstruction work was directly related to furthering the RSS’s political agenda, including through the organization of RSS cells. A key pattern found was that Sewa International funded Sewa Bharati for rebuilding work, but it was the RSS that conducted ceremonies for the start of rebuilding work or handed over the completed village to residents. One rebuilt village (Chapredi) included an important dedication plaque glorifying the RSS, its founder and a key RSS affiliate. A Hindu temple topped with saffron flags was built in the village. No evidence was found of Sewa International funding the building of mosques or churches, though many of these were destroyed in the earthquake. The RSS supreme leader K. S. Sudarshan undertook the foundation stone laying ceremony for one village (Mithapasvaria). The new village was handed over to residents by senior RSS leaders. The RSS supreme leader K. S. Sudarshan undertook the opening ceremony for another village (Rapar) during which he urged residents to expand the RSS network in the area. Funds were raised for this village through a multicultural event in the UK. RSS physical and ideological training cells were started by Sewa Bharati during the rebuilding and rehabilitation period for another village (Badanpur). Sewa International claimed to fund the reconstruction of anywhere from 10 to 25 villages. It also claimed to have totally funded the reconstruction of 10 villages. Six villages were found in which Sewa International funds were used for reconstruction and rehabilitation. Other fundraising A large proportion of the £260,000 raised by Sewa International for Orissa cyclone relief (1999) went to enable the expansion of major RSS affiliates. Funds were used for building RSS schools. The RSS and its leaders were glorified. The HSS said Orissa cyclone funds would be channelled through RSS volunteers and given to organizations which get their workforce from the RSS. The extremely close involvement of the RSS, its supreme leader and its senior figures, as well as the blatant promotion and glorification of the RSS in both the Gujarat earthquake and Orissa cyclone work, is sufficient to raise questions regarding Indian legal regulations that prohibit the RSS from receiving overseas funds. The main education projects for which Sewa International raises funds from the British public are RSS and VHP-run. These extremist education projects have a political purpose for the RSS and the VHP, a fact not disclosed by Sewa International to donors or the public. Funds raised by Sewa International’s ‘education aid’ wing are significant, running into hundreds of thousands of pounds. Each of the ‘supported projects’ for which Sewa International raises funds from the British public is an RSS project or is linked to the RSS. Sewa International raises funds from the British public for ‘one-teacher schools’. These are extremist political projects run by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, Sewa Bharati, Vidya Bharati and other RSS / VHP affiliates. Over a three year period, we found mentioned in HSS UK literature a small amount of a few thousand pounds donated by Sewa International to non-Indian causes. BOX 3 SEWA INTERNATIONAL FUNDS ORGANIZATIONS INVOLVED OR IMPLICATED IN VIOLENCE SEWA INTERNATIONAL FUNDS ORGANIZATIONS INVOLVED IN HATRED Funds raised by Sewa International have been given to RSS organizations in India whose members and followers have been involved or implicated in large scale anti-minority violence or religious hatred, despite Sewa International’s denials. Sewa International and the Kalyan Ashram Trust UK (a registered charity) raise funds for the RSS arm, Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram (VKA), which has been responsible for considerable violence and hatred against Christian and Muslim groups, including during the Gujarat carnage in 2002. Sewa Bharati, the key recipient of Sewa International Gujarat earthquake funds had its license to operate in Madhya Pradesh revoked by the state government because of alleged violence against Christians. Allegations of violence against Christians by Sewa Bharati in Madhya Pradesh continue. Some Gujarat earthquake appeal funds collected by Sewa International from the British public were for the RSS-allied Lok Kalyan Samiti in Chanasma village, which has been implicated in the violent ‘cleansing’ of all Muslims from the village and the illegal occupation of premises and land previously under the charge of the statutory Muslim waqf board. Some Gujarat earthquake appeal funds collected by Sewa International from the British public were for the RSS’s Border Jankalyan Samiti in Gujarat. The Jankalyan Samiti’s Maharashtra branch was responsible for attacks on Christian organizations. Sewa International also raises funds for projects, such as ‘one-teacher schools’, that involve the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), an Indian organization at the forefront of anti-minority violence and hatred in India. The purpose of these schools is to oppose Christians and what the RSS calls ‘subversion’ and ‘anti-national’ tendencies. Almost a quarter of Sewa International earthquake funds raised from the British public were for building sectarian, highly controversial RSS schools. These schools are mainly run by the RSS’s Vidya Bharati, whose teaching material has been condemned by India’s statutory National Council for Educational Research and Training as blatantly promoting bigotry, fanaticism and hatred. There are serious allegations that the RSS discriminated against Muslims and dalits in earthquake relief, and that the RSS and its allies attacked and intimidated secular NGOs undertaking relief work. Earthquake relief work by RSS allies was accompanied by violence and hatred against Christians. Despite their repeated claims to be non-sectarian and non-discriminatory, Sewa International, the HSS or the VHP UK did not launch any humanitarian appeal following the Gujarat carnage in 2002 carried out by Hindutva supremacist groups in which 2,000 people died, mostly Muslims, and over 200,000 citizens of India were displaced. BOX 4 RECOMMENDATIONS Because of their role in funding, promoting or glorifying RSS organizations that have been directly responsible for or implicated in serious, large scale sectarian violence, hatred or violation of human rights in India: The charitable status of Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh UK, Vishwa Hindu Parishad UK and Kalyan Ashram Trust UK (all branches of the extremist RSS family) be withdrawn by the UK Charity Commission. The Charity Commission take appropriate action against the trustees of HSS. HSS / Sewa International fundraising appeals for Indian causes were not transparent and did not disclose to the public that funds were being raised for and sent to extremist and sectarian RSS organizations. Donors and the public refuse to give funds to the HSS, Sewa International, the VHP UK and their allied organizations. Politicians, public and voluntary sector organizations, religious and community groups publicly dissociate from the HSS, the VHP UK and their allied organizations. NOTE ON METHODS The report is based on Site visits to Gujarat villages in September 2003 Interviews in Gujarat from March – May 2003 Interviews in the UK, US and other parts of India during 2003 Analysis of paper and electronic documents, mostly from Hindutva organizations. http://www.awaazsaw.org/awaaz_res.htm

I think some people love to put doubts in other peoples minds...... :roll: Yeah i am sure that hanumaan took his keshera over and gave it to Guru Jee .... :wink: As I said earlier watch the video off: http://www.khalsaalliance.org or http://tv.waheguroo.com/?cat=5 I am sure even the most learned of you will have something to learn off this Bhai Sahib. Drawrof thanks for the reply.....