Amrit1972

but I did not see yours as well as that Dhariwal kanya, who was in India recently.

Gurfateh

Das is interested that what Brother Amritpal Singh ji have to say on that.

I have already said what I wanted to, dear. What I have said will be online within two weeks, I hope. My health is creating problems for me, otherwise I would have updated my website at once.

Coming soon: http://www.amritworld.com/nihangs/index.html

We used to sing this in our school: -

Ai Maalik Tere Bande Ham.

Aise Hon Hamaare Karam.

Neki Par Chalen, Aur Badi Se Daren,

Taa-ki Haste Huye Niklen Dam.

Jab Zulmon Ka Ho Saamna.

Tab Toohi Hamen Thaamna.

Woh Buraayee Karen, Ham Bhalaayee Karen,

Nahi Badle Ki Ho Kaamna.

(Agge Bhull Gaya ... ).

indi.k? India Kaur. Good name. Happy birthday.

Tum Jeeyo Hazaaron Saal, Saal Ke Din Hon Pachaas Hazaar. (It is a famous Indian song).

SAdmin's wife is ill, so he is busy looking after his wife. His younger and seventh son also is not feeling well. I hope they will get well soon.

Good post, dear brother vijaydeep Singh Ji.

I was hurt to know that Balmikis attacked a Gurdwara in Kapurthala city. So, I started this thread. I think we should do something positive for Balmikis, especially in Punjab.

As you must be aware, Piara Singh Bhaniarawala was once considered a leader of Balmiki and other Dalits. When holy Sri Guru Granth Sahib were burnt in my district, he became the target of anger of Sikh sangat. I still remember how powerful he was in his area. Thousands of his devotees would go to his 'Dera' to get his blessings singing glory of Piara Singh. He was called 'Neh-kalank Avtaar'. I was trying to preach in his area (Noorpur Bedi region). I would go to nearby villages with my students and do 'Keertan' and 'Katha'. Though, Ravidasis and Gujjar invited me to their villages, but Balmikis did not. You may call it Balimikis' courage. They never came to me.

Ravidasis have good population in that region. They celebrate birthday of Bhagat Ravidas Ji and hoist their different flag. A Sikh preachers' group refused to perform keertan and 'Katha' in their 'Gurdwara. They came to me (I was working in that region to understand Piara Singh Bhaniara's game). I sent my students there, who performed Sri Akhand Path of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. On final day, I went there personally and did 'Katha' of a Shabd of Bhagat Ravidas Ji. Ravidasis were so happy with my group. I noticed there that Brahmans, Jatts and Balimikis did not join them.

There are lots of Hindu Gujjars in that area. I had chances to attend ceremonies in their homes, where my students did 'Akhand Path' and Keertan and I did 'Katha'. At one place, Sikh Rajpoots were seen in Gujjars' ceremonies and at one place, no Sikh was seen. I cannot say why Jatts were not there. Here too, Balmikis were not seen.

I had two Jatts in my students. They were never against any other caste. I never felt that they hate Balmikis or Ravidasis. They obeyed me when I sent them to Ravidasis' homes.

When I failed there, I returned to my home. Later, Piara Singh was jailed. When he came out, he was attacked by a Jatt Sikh in Ambala. In Tallan village, anti Jatt Sikhs clashes are still fresh. When Gohana's Balmikis' colony was attacked by haryanvi Jats, Punjabi Balmikis got angry. Amritsar's battle between Punjab Police's warriors and Balmikis was a rememberable scene. (I hope Mahtab Singh Ji had watched those scenes. Punjab Police reacted later).

But, my point is why it happens again and again in Punjab that Balmikis think that Sikhs or Sikh organizations are anti-Balmiki. Don't you think we should do something positive for them? Otherwise, they will be converted to Islam or Charistianity. Then, we will shout against them.

I have seen Ranghreta (Balmiki) Nihangs from very close. They have full faith in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Love and only love for the Panth Khalsa. Ranghrete, Guru Ke Bete.

Vijaydeep Singh Ji, I think Balmikis are strong enough in Haryana too. They were beaten up by Jats, because Police were acting against Balmikis. Please share your views.

And Please, tell about Jatavs. Are they 'Chamaars'? If they are 'Chamaars', do they believe in Bhagat Ravidas Ji or not?

Dear Vijaydeep Singh Ji,

I hope you are in India now and are aware what is happening in Gohana, Dehli, Panchkula, Amritsar, Jallandhar, Ludhiana, Kapurthala etc.

As you know, it was thought that 'Dalits' are a united-power in India. I have been watching present 'shor-sharaaba' of Balmikis and Jats. If you are in India, you may have noticed that almost all of Haryana is hot today. Even Punjab Police have beaten many Balmikis up today. (watch 'Aaj Tak').

I have watched live telecast of 'Sarv-Jaati Maha Panchayat' in Gohana. If you have watched this, you must have noticed that even 'other' Dalits joined this Maha Panchayat. Even than, it turned to only 'Jat Maha Panchayat, instead of 'Sarv Jaati Maha Panchayat'.

I have watched TV channels, which have been showing scenes of today's 'Balmiki Maha Panchayat' in Delhi.

Well, I do not go into other details. I just wanted to know if I am wrong if I say that even non-Balmiki Dalits show hatred towards Balmikis. I believe that other non-Balmiki castes shake hands with upper castes when it comes to oppose Balmikis.

Here, I want to make it clear that I am not supporting what Balmikis have done today or in recent days, though I feel their pain.

(Members, please take part in poll, if you are in India).

I used to play on Tanpura for 6 hours a day. I have a special Tanpura, which I purchased from Maharashtra state. Later, music left me.

Electronic Tanpura is availabe which can be used. Otherwise, Harmonium is good if you press 'sharhaj' continously. It provides freedom during 'Tans' and 'Alaap'.

Tanpura helps to create 'Gamak' in voice. 'Tans' and 'Alaap' is easy if tanpura is being used. Vaise vi Tanpura dinda hai pooran azaadi.

Baaki, harmonium di ninda karan valeyaan to vi bachna chahida hai. Je 'Mridang' di jagaah 'tabla' vartan vich una nu koi sankoch nahi, ta Harmonium ne kerha sikhaan te koi ghallughara keeta si. Je British 'pound' (pound sterling) una nu change lagde ne, taa British harmonium kiyon maarha hai?

In Hindustani tradition, instrumentalists generally do not sing while playing on their instruments. Vocalists play on only Tanpura when performing vocal music.

Vaise Tanpura vadheeya hai tuhade avtar vich. Kithon Leya?

Do you live in Punjab?

I do not know where you can find the 'Katha'. Perhaps, a google search can help.

The 'Chaubees Avtaar' describes the stories of 24 incarnations of Vishnu. There are 'Up-Avtaar' also. Sri Dasam Granth mentiones the 'Brahm Avtaar' and Shiv Avtaar too.

I once wrote a Punjabi article on compositions of Sri Dasam Granth, which was published in a book. I have also written an English article giving introduction to all the compositions of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji. I will try to locate this English article. It should be somewhere in my computer. :? . I did not add it on my website, because I think there is already too much matter available online on this topic.

All of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib with Punjabi translation is available on that site, brother.

The 'apuni Katha' in bachitra Natak is autobiography by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. There are good translations available in market. You can get one. It is available online also. http://www.gobindsadan.org/institute/dasam/pdf/v1_3.pdf

The story of Dusht Daman is given in the 'Sau Sakhi'. 'sri gur Pratap Sooraj Granth' has repeated this story with additional description.

We do not find this story in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji.

i say u ppl go n get em n lock em up, yeh u lot got the power go for it !

Did you hear Prime minister today, live on TV?

It is a very wide topic. You should read books on Gurbani grammer. Books by Prof. sahib Singh, Bhai Harbans Singh, Bhai Randhir singh etc should be studied very carefully.

Well, when one tries to understand Gurbani 'Viyaakaran', he finds it very-very interesting once he starts to understand basic principles. So, just start to read these books.

I suggest that tSingh Ji should be invited to be a moderator on this forum.

Ranjha and Heer are historic characters. Their tombs still exist in Pakistan.

Bhai Gurdas Ji has mentioned their names in his 'Vaars'.

I can't remember the details but was it not yourself who originally made some coment about the Godavri holding many secrets implying bodies of Nirmalas having been placed in it?

No, tsingh Ji. I did not use the word 'Nirmala' in my that post.

So, my question is still there, "Why do you think only Amrit Pal Singh can provide him such a document? Is there not a single person in all over the UK, who can give such documents?"

You said you had a document you were going to translate no doubt from Bhai Amritpal Singh. Please post it up.

Why do you think only Amrit Pal Singh can provide him such a document? Is there not a single person in all over the UK, who can give such documents? Itni Buri Haalat Hai UK De Sikh Parchaarakaan Di?

Rafi also sang the Shabd 'Ab Main Kaun Upaao Karaun' in 'Man Jeetai Jag Jeet'. It was picturised on Sunil Datt, when he was imprisoned after his surrender.

The moments, during which the hero and his men surrender, are really memorable. 'Jis Ke Sir' is played exactly that time, when Sunil Datt and his men go to surrender on their horses.

There was another religious song 'Paapi Jeeorhiya, Bol Satnam', which was picturised in a great way. Funny Deol must watch this movie, before acting in any movie as a Sikh character.