Amrit1972

Bharaava, Sabh suni-sunaayee gal hai.

The Indian govt. was aware of Pakistan's involvement in crises in Punjab. Atleast, there was Pakistan's army movement along with Indo-Pak border. For details, read the white paper by the Indian govt to know its views. Also, there were rumours that Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale went to Pakistan. For more, read 'Bhindranwale: Myth And Reality' by Chand Joshi. The govt may have consulted USSR's govt. before making a serious decision, but it must be un-official.

According to present trend of Gurbani pronounciation, the 'Sihari' in 'Har' is not pronounced. So, we pronounce 'Harmandar' or Harmandir'.

Mohammad Rafi sang 'Jis Ke Sir Oopar' for Sunil Datt in Punjabi movie 'Man Jeete Jag Jeet'. This movie is a great work.

He sang 'Mitar Pyaare Noo' in all time super hit movie 'Nanak Naam Jahaaz Hai'.

I also am aware of problems in Punjab.... Government r sending lot of Muslims to move in to Punjab!

New Muslim population is noticed along with border area. It is clearly a planned move, but it would be wrong to say that (Indian) government is doing this. Rather, Pakistan could be responcible.

Guru Gobind Singh's pictures are seen in RSS offices. They publish such pictures in their literature too.

Today, I joked to an RSS activist, "suneya hai tusi saadi photo Raam Mandir Vich Lagaa rahe ho? Acharya Giri Raj [highlight=red:b835fe9921]Singh[/highlight:b835fe9921] Kishor has said this".

He smiled and replied, "Yes, we will do that. Parveen [highlight=red:b835fe9921]Singh[/highlight:b835fe9921] Togadia says even Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji can be installed in Hindu temples".

Osama Bha Ji lived in Afganistan for a long period. Many Punjabi speaking Sikhs live in Afganistan. Many Afgan speak Punjabi as well. Ho sakda Hai, bha Ji ne Vi Punjabi Sikh Lyee Hove.

It is said that Osama bha Ji visited Pakistan too. There are lots of Punjabi speaking people in Pakistan. Even in 'Sarhaddi Sooba', thousands of people speak Punjabi.

Welcome and Gur Fateh Ji.

waheguroo.com's forum allowed my posts. On the other hand, SikhSangat.com did not. I am too busy to take part in discussions, but soon I intend to join waheguroo.com's forum, if they continue to allow my posts.

Dear 'bobbyboy' Ji,

It is your bigheartedness, otherwise I am nothing.

My website is still under construction. I hope, I will be doing more seva to the Guru, by the Grace of the Guru.

Veer Niranjana and Veer shaka nyorai Ji, thank you very much for comments. I know that you are always with me. Thank you very much.

-Amrit Pal Singh 'Amrit'

I have downloaded the lecture by Pandit Bahadur Singh Ji Nirmala, because I wanted to hear his voice too. Though, I have listened his voice, but could not hear all the file, because of 7 hours long cut in electicity supply and strong hot winds (Pbi: - 'Loo').

Your voice and style of speaking is great, brother. Arabic accent is great, indeed.

I hope the power supply will be okay in next few days and I will listen the lecture by Pandit Bahadur Singh Ji.

Please guys stick to the topic

I think 'guy' is stick to the topic, if topic is 'Mool Mantar by Sri Sahib Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj'.

Bye Bye and best of luck for exams. I hope you will come back soon to answer my remaining points. Till then, I will avoid to make further comments on your last post.

When you return, I will ask you how you know that N3O Singh Ji is not Brahmgiyani, and lots of other questions.

Jai Hind.

this message is for eveyone especially the ones like khalsa fauj : sikhawareness means to get aware .

That is what it has been doing. It is creating awareness among the Sikh youth that a person, posing himself as a 'Sant', could be a rapist. It is a way of explanation of the Gurbani, which says: - "Aise Sant Na Mokau Bhaavain. Daali Sio Peda Gatkaavainh". "Oye Har Ke Sant Na Aakhiyain, Banaaras Ke Thhagg".

More will be coming online, which will be creating awareness among the Sikh masses, with the Grace of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji, who punished fake 'religious leaders' in his own supervision.

recently , i have seen a lot of controversial talks being going on about mool mantar , jots , sampats , amrit , rehit etc . and so on

Dear brother, not just seen, but you have taken part in such talks. Bhai Sahib Gurdas Ji says, "Aap Na Vanjhai Sahurai, Sikh Lok Sunaavai".

Dear karmjeet Ji,

Welcome to the debate. This debate will be moderated by the Admin himself, as per the rules of 'Niyaaye Shaashtra', I hope.

For your kind information , how do you know that it is mool mantar ?

The thread is started by our beloved N3O Singh Ji. He himself mentioned in its title, that it is 'Mool Mantar'. I made comments on N3O Singh's words. He himself called it the 'Mool Mantar'. Please read every word in this thread, before having debate on such a serious issue. Regards.

how do you know that its not a manglacharan ?

actually it is a manglacharan .

Where has it been said by the original poster that it is 'Manglacharan'? You can prove your view quoting Sri Dasam Granth, if Guru Gobind Singh Ji used this as 'Manglacharan', and not any other 'Manglacharan'.

In Guru Granth Sahib Ji , the mool mantar upto hosi bhi sach comes only once and that too in the beginning . MOOL menas ROOT . As various branches spread from a single trunk of tree similarly mool mantar is the root of all mantars . no mantar is powerful than mool mantar .

Your point is absolute invalid. If you quote to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, then you will have to accept the exaplanation given by the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

The word 'Mool Mantar' is NEVER used in your meanings in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji clearly says: -

mUl mMqRü hir nwmu rswiexu khu nwnk pUrw pwieAw ]5]

mool ma(n)thra har naam rasaaein kahu naanak pooraa paaeiaa ||5||

Chanting the Mool Mantra, the Name of the Lord, the source of nectar, says Nanak, I have found the Perfect Lord. ||5||

Guru Nanak Dev Ji Raag Maaroo, 1040

Now, see what Bhai Sahib Gurdas Ji says: -

siqnwmu krqw purK mUl mMqR ismrx prvwxY]

sathinaam karathaa purakh mool ma(n)thr simaran paravaanai||

Satnam, Karta Purakh is accepted as the basic formula, the muli mantr, by gurmukh.

Bhai Gurdaas Ji, Vaars Bhai Sahib Gurdaas Ji, 6

Please quote to the Gurbani or Bhai Sahib Gurdas Ji, where it is said that Mool Mantra is from Ik Onkar to Hosi Bhi Sach.

The manglacharan written by the Guru ji above comes 33 times .

Ik onkar satgur prasad comes about 500 times . so the more counting doesn't make it mool mantar .( our thinking has been affected by voting in elections).

Mool mantar is only upto hosi bhi sach .

See my reply above. Quote to the Gurbani or Bhai Gurdas Ji. No where it is said that 'Mool Mantar' is from Ik Onkar to Hosi Bhi Sach. Just quote to the Gurbani or Bhai Gurdas Ji.

Sants , mahapurash , samardas who believe mool mantar is upto bhi sach are the following :

1) Bhai Gurdas ji mentions that in his 39 vaar

Just quote him, where he says that this is the 'Mool Mantar'.

2) Udasi samparda from son of guru nanak dev ji , baba sri chand still recite mool mantar upto hosi bhi sach .

You have mentioned the name of Bhai Gurdas Ji. Just have a look on his 'Vaaraan' and try to find where he expressed his views about Sri Chand. Also, quote to the Gurbani, Guru-hukamnamas, Bhai Gurdas Ji, where they accepted Sri Chand's views.

3) family lineage from 2nd son of guru ji , sri lakhmidas ji , still recite mool mantar upto hosi nhi sach .

Which son? One who hit Guru Amardas Ji by foot, or one who tried to learn 'Tantra' and became the fake Guru? Also, quote to the Gurbani or Bhai Gurdas Ji, where the names of sons of Guru Angad Dev Ji have been mentioned.

4) sevapnthi samparda from srted from bhai ghaniya ji

Sevapanthi sect was started by Bhai Seva Ram Ji. Visit my site and find his name. You may get some information.

5) family lineage from baba budha ji

If Gurus' family lineage's views are not accepted in the light of the facts, what does it make difference what his family lineage thinks.

6) damdami taksal

Never read this term in (Puratan) older books of Guru/Sikh history.

7) rara sahib

nanaksar

Please quote to any Puratan source, where these terms are used.

Sants:

baba nand singh ji

baba ishar singh ji ( both kaleran and rare sahib wale )

sant attar singh ji ( reru , atle , mastuane sahib wale )

baba mahaharnam singhji bhucho kalan wale

baba khem singh ji

baba kundan singh ji nanaksar wale

baba harbhajan singh ji nanaksar wale

baba harnam singh ji

sant karam singh ji hoti mardan wale

giani sundar singh ji khalsa

sant gurbachan singhji

sant kartar singh ji

sant jarnail singhji

sant ranjit singh dhadrian kalan wale

and there are so many more ........there is no end

Please quote to any Puratan source, where these names are mentioned. Where did any of our ten Gurus have used the term 'Sant' for any Sikh? Who has the authourity to declare any person a 'Sant'?

and who r the ones against it ?

A Gursikh is never against the Gurbani.

those who know only to talk not to work , those who didn't get the ras of naam

waheguru...............

Thank you very much for the comments. I will not ask you what you have done till date. I will not ask you if you have got the 'Ras' of 'Naam'.

It is not a 'Bachan' of any self-styled 'Sant': - 'Hon Nazeek Khudaaye De, Bhed Kisai Na Den'. A Gursikh never claims that he has done something, because the Gurbani says, "Jab Lag Jaanai Main Kichh Karta, Tab Lag Garabh Jon Maih Phirta".

So, you are not going to follow Guru Gobind Singh's writing, which you have posted by yourself.

Please post the picture of Mool Mantra, written by Nand Singh Ji. Let us see which 'Mool Mantra' he used to recite.

what harm does it do to say it till Nanak hosi bhi sach.

Will it harm if you say it up to "Naanak Likheya Naal"?

Gurbani does not harm even if you say only "Ik Onkaar". Matter is how long the Mool Mantra actually is.

If the picture given above shows the 'Mool Mantra', as said in thread's title, then all will have to accept that 'Mool Mantra' is upto 'Gur Parsaad'.

N3O Singh Ji, send this picture to Chowk Mehta's Taksal and tell that even Guru Gobind Singh wrote the 'Mool Mantra' only upto Gurparsaad. The Taksal's Brahmgiyanis and Sants used to say that Mool Mantra is upto 'Nanak Hosi Bhi Sach'.

Do we know who killed Gyani Pratap Singh?

& why and what was the outcome?

I suggest you to do research on your own. It was a one of sad incidents happened during black days of Punjab.

Also, read his writings, if you can read Punjabi.

whos he?

:shock:

He was ex-Jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, a well known scholar, a true religious minded Gursikh, a brave man indeed. His books are still being sold in markets. He wrote on Nirankari and Radha Soami issues.

who commited the sins?

To get the true answer, you will have to know who killed Singh Sahib Giani Partap Singh Ji on May 10, 1984.

and who will wreak the vengeance?

The God. He already have done.

who will console the crying mothers?

You and me.

and who will create the crying?

They are in news again. And will be finished soon, by the Grace of Sri Bhagauti.

What Simranjit singh Mann accepted (giving licences) now was already said in 1984. See 'Bhindranwale, Myth And Reality' by Chand Joshi.

Veer Amritpal Singh,

As you have been the only one to suggest some information in relation to Akali Nihang Baba Binod Singh in this instance, please could you provide some further clarification on your comments.

1.What happened to Bhai Baaj Singh and his Jatha (presumably all Bandai Khalsa?) and in which text is this recorded?

2. What happened at Trari Village when the Moghul forces arrived and how long did the ensuing battle/skirmish last between the invading army and the jatha of Akali Nihang Baba Binod Singh?

It is a well known fact that Bhai Baaz Singh Ji were martyred in Delhi alongwith other Bandais, like Bhai Aali Singh Ji of Salaudi. About 700 Bandais were martyred at that time.

Baba Binod Singh Ji was appointed in Taraavari by Baba Banda Singh Bahadur Ji. Baba Binod Singh had 4000 armymen. When Moguls decided to defeat Baba Banda Singh Ji, they sent 5000 army. Baba Binod Singh Ji was supposed to face them at Taraavari. As the history books tell, Baba Binod Singh Ji could not face them and ran away to Sirhind, which was a part of Khalsa kingdom established by Baba Banda Singh Daler.

When Binod Singh ran away, Moguls chased him towards Sirhind. Now, Binod Singh and other Singhs diployed in Sirhind ran away to present Kharar. Moguls chased again and Singhs were defeated again. Now, Singhs decided to ran away towards present sector 44 of Chandigarh. When Singhs reached there, suddenly Baba Banda Singh Bahadur Ji reached there and started to kill Moguls. After a few moments, Moguls ran away. Baba Banda Singh Bahadur occupied Sirhind Again.

For more, see 'Twareekh Guru Khalsa' by Gian Singh.

I once thought to add a special section on my site to give legal information about matrimonial laws in India. I talked to my freinds, Advocate Harbans Singh Saini and Advocate P. S. Sarna in this regard. Then, another friend suggested me that it will destroy the present image of my site, so I changed my idea.

Well, if someone is trying to be married in India, he should know the laws properly. I know that many boys are cheated by Indian girls, but they are too shy to tell their pain in public.

Chalo Aapaan Nu Kee?

Haan Ji, Beast Ji and table Ji, dekhiye koi kurhi tuhaade layee?

I think we should have a matrimonial section on sikhawareness.com . The sikhawareness team nu vichola banaauna chaahida hai. Vaise kahnde ne ke vichole nu akheer ch maar hi paindi hai.

Girls, as well as boys, are cheated in India by NRIs. Balwant Singh Ramuwalia cares only about girls. Who will help those boys, who are cheated by NRIs? (I am not cheated by any NRI ).

I think he is Maulaana Bukhaari, who was Shaahi Imaam of Jama Masjid in Delhi. Now, his son is Shaahi imaam.

Is he Maulana Bukhaari?