happy

which baba hari singh is the the akali nihang singh

AGAIN THE LINK IS NOT WORKING THIS HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES BEFORE CAN THE GUYS WHO PUT IT UP PLEASE SORT OUT THE LINKLS FOR THE LESS UNFORTUANTE ONES SAME GOES FOR THE JAAP SAHIB MUSICAL RENDITION

THANKS

discuss seriuosly not in a joking manner guys come on get youre fingers out

peace out

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so javanmard why dont you enlighten us by providing answers to my other topics

http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...&highlight=

i dont think he will though as he repeatidly mistakes me for someone else

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Najasat

please have a look at this..i am surprised to read what i have read in this after what javanmard put up on this forum regarding this topic. this document totally contardicts and is the opposite of what javamard has been saying this term is in fact applied to 'non muslims' such as the sikhs

its all well trying to build peace and a nice picture but post the whole picture not just a bit of it javanmard....thanks

peace out

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interseting however what would be the objectively based definition of kaafir within this case im guessing a non muslim...

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then why are there quotes saying that one who doesnt beilive in the prophets are too kaafirs

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peace out

oh the question arises to say why do then the muslims of today still claim everyone else that is not 'muslim' are kaafirs..wvwn if they do not do what the above document suggests that makes kaafir how can they be kaafir then

thanks

take a look at this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaafir

the things mentioned within this document states clearly what a 'kafir' is ....the conclusion has been erected to say that the gurus ARE NOT kaafirs as they do not do any of the notions which are suggested within the koran which causes one to become a kaafir

can people on this forum please post serious replies to discuss this matter further

the admin boys should also post replies

thanks

peace out

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ok sure thing ANAMIKA

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fair enough SAdmin thats true jokes aside now

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and another thing to the dude who posted a reply to my post who the hell are you to state that what i am saying on the post are closely held notions of my own...you dont know that you dont even know who i am and nor do i know you for that matter

HEY BOYS JUST TO SAY ESPECIALLY TO THE DUDE OR DUDETTE WHO CUT OUT AND POSTED A REPLY WITHIN MY REPLY...WHEN THE HELL ON EARTH DID I SAY THAT NIHANGS DID KIRTAN IN RAAG AND ANYWAYS I WAS JUST HAVING A LAUGH IN CASE YOU HADNT NOTICED I HAD PUT UP SMILY FACES AND AS FOR PROOF I HAVE PLEANTLY OF PROOF BUT DO NOT WISH TO POST IT ON THIS LIKE THIS AND YES I ASK FOR ACADEMIC PROOF FROM OTHERS ITS COMMON SENSE TO DO SO AND AS FOR BANNING ME WELL GO AHEAD ILL JUST SIGN UP AGAIN USING A DIFFERNT NAME HEHEHE THATS A JOKE BY THE WAY SO DONT GET YOUR KNICKERS IN A TWIST AS SAdmin AND THE OTHER MODERATORS DO...... BY TEH WAY SAdmin WHERE ABOUTS ARE YOU FROM NAMELY WHICH COUNTRY ............

PEACE OUT ...BOYS WHO CANT TAKE A LITTLE CRTICISM..HEHEHE

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however this does NOT at all suggest the the udasis were not sikhs because it is a well established fact that these udasis were very knowledgable and true sikhs of the gurus...theres SOLID historical proof of these facts

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the singh panth only eat food from the singhs..this is down to practiaclity and assurance that no one can be let near their food..this was done to prevent intuders contaminating the food...its practcality and knowlegde not STUPIDITY like the guys nowadays

youre the one caliming to be a teacher who else provide answers to questions.....aaaaahhh let me see.....aaahhhh

to be honest i dont give a crap if you reply or not i dont even know why im on this wasting my time on you so peace out mr so called 'teacher'

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hahahhahaha..but your a 'nirmala teacher' remeber so teach us then oh 'great' teacher.....hahahahahahaha :D oh yeah dont forget youre not a sant or a badmash but just a teacher so teach now boy

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anyway i dont have to reveal what i know to you who i dont even know so where you think you were wrong in thinking that i knew about whatever it ios you though i knew about...well there a news flash for you matey...think what you want i dont give a crap...

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yeah i guess you are always wrong innit

by the way what do you know about the udasis

hey another thing why put my name in inverted commas....

exactly for a singh...traditionally there were different maryadas for different groups..the singh maryada is strict and less open as this is the maryada of kshatriya panth akali nihang singh khalsa..never the less the udasis are etill extremely respected and ackowledged amongst ancienst sikh orders... :D :D

peace out

yes boy but AKJs are not the bhai daya singh samprada are they and secondly im not bashing the AKJ just their fanatisism and irrationality oh and lets not forget the kirtan...for all the AKJ posses in the house..kirtan is supposed to be done within raag as guru has transcribed the whole of gurubani in raag.....not some hip hip, drum and base, hindi/chamkila rhythm remix....

:D :D so much for bashing hey !!!!!!! :D

NOTE: Happy, perhaps you can consider re-evaluating your stance on the issues you continually raise with no references and UK ghetto politics whilst simultaneously demanding academic proofs from others when your closely held notions are even remotely challenged.

There are plenty of discussions available with regard to the AKJ on this website (see 101 dicussion) and their own - this thread is explicitly about the quality of references to Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Grewal under the Sarbloh affliated websites, similarl issues have also be raised by other scholars and commentators from and about non-AKJ items (see www.amritworld.com) on those websites, perhaps the long awaited updates will address these items, in the meantime the original poster (Anti-admin cut) has been requested to address his queries to the appropriate sources, if a discussion is desired on references, please begin a new thread - there is no need to hijack every thread with jatha, sampradha, organisation or group bashing.

Finally, perhaps you could also consider the three criticisms you have aired against the AKJ for yourself as well - i.e. when was the last time you saw a Nihang doing raag kirtan, with exception of the much touted Bhia Balbir Singh (since even groups like the AKJ and others have their fair share of 'raag' keertanias), Mahakaal Baba Vajeer Singh's kirtan not too different from that of AKJ or most Ragi Jathas, neither is that of many UK Nihangs as witnessed at recent Youth Darbar recordings online or that of the Tarnadal Nihangs (see www.ektaone.com) - the point here is that it is very easy to throw stones at each other, however how about sweeping under your own bed once in a while.