Silence

Fateh, jio!

LOL, that's cool. Would you then be OK with, for example, consuming deer horn for its medicinal value seeing that they are usually removed without harming the animal? Or eat an animal that was killed because it was a pest and/or a harm to humans?

Do you believe that it is the killing of the animal that is the kurehit?

Please don't take this is some sort of challenge to your bleiefs, I'm simply interested as obtaining as many different points of view as possible.

Regards,

K.

Gurfateh

Well firstly I should make clear, I believe the kurehit to be specifically the consumption of maas. However, I feel to answer the less clear cut questions like the one in your first post, I think its important to look at the principles behind the kurehit itself to come to an answer. That is the reason why in this case I referred to something being against rehit if it involves an animal being killed. So to answer the questions in this post, I would say no to being ok to any of those things, as that is still maas. At this point, I suppose we would look at the other principles behind this kurehit, like the negative effect of such food on meditation and spirituality.

Gurfateh

btw, no problem answering from my viewpoint, I don't see it as any negative challenge

I'm curious to know exactly how this prank would be dealt with by nihangs of india dals..

Fateh!

Thanks for the input, veera.

Out of interest, do you believe that killing the animal is the issue of consumption of it? If the killing, then what of the tabla skins, or shoes, or the strings of the rababs played in the times of the Gurus? Were they not made of animal parts?

K.

Gurfateh,

Lol, well I'm not gonna be all delusional and go for the "died naturally" argument. As per my understanding, the skins and parts obtained for such use were from animals that were originally killed to be eaten, and the skins, etc. were all 'left overs', so in such a case I don't think it was unjustified to use these parts rather than let them go to waste. I know thats a grey area, but seeing as the animals had alreadby been killed anyway I think it was acceptable.

If it was a case of specifically going out of our way to kill an animal for our own purposes, then there is a problem.

Can't answer for the wine thing but certainly on the meat I would say its all kurehit. Its not about our reasons, the underlying principle (imho) is the simple objection to the animal being killed, doesn't matter whether its for taste, health, whatever. Its like saying eating eggs would not be kurehit just because they can help make you stronger.

Wine really, its not worth taking the risk is it, i mean if its not nasha then maybe its not kurehit, but its too fine a line i think.

this is quite an interesting post, i wouldn't say there are only two approaches though, my own view and that of akj is something which is more of a mixture of the two ideas; sikhi is a revealed, new path, but guru nanak dev ji to guru granth sahib ji is in fact vaheguru himself

anyone?

Basically just interested to know have there been any examples in the past of sevapanthi singh sipahis? Considering some of them do take amrit, did any of them take part in any battles? I know sevapanthis live a totally pacifist life but is this more a choice or is it a compulsory rule to abide by once initiated into the order?

thanks

Wow, never read any veechars in this style before, very different to what I'm used to, would love to get my hands on this. Thanks for doing this great seva.

MATHEEN YOU ARE A HERO IF YOU TELL US WHO THESE SINGHS ARE.

I remember reading it on a forum along time back, obviously there is every possibility whoever wrote it was wrong, or I am remembering wrong, so I thought I'd check. Thanks for clearing that up.

Just a quick question, first I'm not sure which of the sant ishar singh ji's it was, but is it true that one of their panj who gave them amrit was found to have committed kurehit? Actually it might even be about another sant ji, but something along these lines. I'd be interested in any replies if anyone knows.

thanks

I believe vegetarian and animal killing are two different things. Sant Ji has the heart of a warrior! Much more of a soorma than any one of us!

Plus, although its true it was only Nihangs who wore bana and dumalla for the past few hundred years, that doesn't mean it wasn't intended to be for all Khalsa.

Oh noess!! tiger skin!!

Balbir Singh, worship and respect are two very different things. In India you see people put garlands around photos of deceased family members, does this mean they worship either the family member of the photo? No.

Wonderful article!

NICE

It is also given to a person who is serious enough about brahamgyan to undertake initiation into the sant mandali.

Hi, would you mind elaborating on this please? Sounds interesting.

From my meagre reading of Gurbani - 'I' interpret Sant to mean 'spiritual teacher' & 'teacher of spirituality' both.

Some 'anti-sant' sikh I have met esp. AkJ, Khalistani follow a similar belief pattern. They believe that because they attend these holiday camps/ university societies and preach to all to do amrit shak, jap naam etc that they are also a "sant".

Well as for akj, Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji himself wrote about sants in his books and used the word sant for gursikh in Rangel Sajjan, so I have no idea what you are talking about. As for Khalistanis, being a supporter of Khalistan denotes a political view, people with this view come from various ideological backgrounds, including Akj,Taksal, etc. so its ridiculous to make such a blanket statement as Khalistanis are against Sants. I think you are forgetting one particular Sant of 84

Langar

"Jsingh", could you please post what Giani Inderjit singh ji said about the reference to the Rup Dip Bhasha Pingal, is it simply a different work or...?

can we also post hyper-ventilation keertan?

I love little cocky asses like yourself making fun of naam abhyasis behind screens, say it to one of these singh's faces and it is you who will have trouble breathing, go on, try it.

Whats ridiculous is these people already have raj in multiple countries, why must they have it here also? I'm the last to buy into the white nationalist propaganda, but really this time round it seems certain extremists are trying to take over this country in the name of Islam.

my bad, was just a guess.

Thats the most one sided article I have read in my life yet apparently its middle ground lool

Silence thanks for sharing that link.. sorry about the quality guys, it was recorded by my crappy 3 yr old digital camera...i didn't had a tripod, sorry about amateur video. But you can make out great deal out of it. ..enjoy !!

oh well, thank you to you for recording it!

I THINK gatt here would mean liberation, and Patt land or kingdom, eg. patiala- land of Baba Ala Singh Ji.

thanks for letting me know

aarti aarta video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...amp;q=arti+arta