jsingh96

I have videos for the Salok Mahalla 9 Katha by Swami Parmanand. It just over 11 hours long so if i want to put it on you tube in completion it will be between 66 - 72 videos which i will put up slowly.

here is the first 10 minutes

If there are any missionaries reading, yed this is a Hindu Sadhu doing katha of Gurbani!

Enjoy

is it possible for you to put it up on site which can share big files? and then put the link here?

i really want to have this recording

what is Brahmas role in this? As an avtar, Brahma is known as creator, are we to consider parbrahm as brahma. And how about Vishkarma avtar.

can it not be considered that brahma is a tool that created the creation. all the while realizing that brahma was created by the One Lord?

As japji Sahib says:

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥

Ėkā mā▫ī jugaṯ vi▫ā▫ī ṯin cẖele parvāṇ.

The One Divine Mother conceived and gave birth to the three deities.

ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥

Ik sansārī ik bẖandārī ik lā▫e ḏībāṇ.

One, the Creator of the World; One, the Sustainer; and One, the Destroyer.

ਜਿਵ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਵੈ ਜਿਵ ਹੋਵੈ ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ ॥

Jiv ṯis bẖāvai ṯivai cẖalāvai jiv hovai furmāṇ.

He makes things happen according to the Pleasure of His Will. Such is His Celestial Order.

"whats so wrong about having more than one wife?"

Are you married?

lol

Interesting shabad I came across by Bhai Gurdas Ji:

ਭਲਾ ਬੁਰਾ ਸੈਸਾਰ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੋ ਆਇਆ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਰਪਰ ਮਰਣਾ ।

bhalaa buraa saisaar vichi jo aaiaa tisu sarapar maranaa|

The evil and noble exist in this world and whosoever came here, has to die one day. *

ਰਾਵਣ ਤੈ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਵਾਂਗਿ ਮਹਾਂ ਬਲੀ ਲੜਿ ਕਾਰਣੁ ਕਰਣਾ ।

raavan tai raamachand vaangi mahaan balee|arhi kaaranu karanaa|

The brave persons like Ravan and Ram also became the cause and doers of wars.

ਜਰੁ ਜਰਵਾਣਾ ਵਸਿ ਕਰਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਅਧਰਮ ਰਾਵਣਿ ਮਨ ਧਰਣਾ ।

jaru jaravaanaa vasi kari anti adharam raavani man dharanaa|

Controlling the mighty age, i.e. conquering the time, Ravan adopted evil in his heart (and stole Sita).**

ਰਾਮਚੰਦੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਧਰਮਹੁ ਸਾਇਰ ਪਥਰ ਤਰਣਾ ।

raamachandu niramalu purakhu dharamahu saair padar taranaa|

Ram was a spotless person and due to his sense of dharma (responsibility), even the stones floated in ocean. ***

ਬੁਰਿਆਈਅਹੁ ਰਾਵਣੁ ਗਇਆ ਕਾਲਾ ਟਿਕਾ ਪਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਅ ਹਰਣਾ ।

buriaaeeahu raavanu gaiaa kaalaa tikaa par tria haranaa|

On account of wickedness Ravan went away (was killed) with the stigma of stealing another's wife.

ਰਾਮਾਇਣੁ ਜੁਗਿ ਜੁਗਿ ਅਟਲੁ ਸੇ ਉਧਰੇ ਜੋ ਆਏ ਸਰਣਾ ।

raamaainu jugi jugi atalu say udharay jo aaay saranaa|

Ramayan (the story of Ram) is ever firm (in the mind of people) and whosoever seeks shelter (in it) goes across (the world ocean). ****

ਜਸ ਅਪਜਸ ਵਿਚਿ ਨਿਡਰ ਡਰਣਾ ॥੧੮॥

jas apajas vichi nidar daranaa ॥18॥

Dharma-abiding people earn glory in the world and those who undertake evil adventures get infamy.

(Bhai Gurdas Ji, vaar 31, pauri 18)

Commentary/Explanation

* Line 1) Bhai Gurdas explains that there are good and bad people that come into this world, however everyone/everything that comes into this world is still bound by Death and ultimately everyone/everything will die. This being said this does not disvalue the role of Avatar's or Saints. Bhai Gurdas is just letting the reader know at the start that Nirgun worship is highest I think

** Line 3) Bhai Ji explains that Raavana conquered the world, his kingdom was unmatched. However he let Adharam, unrightousness, grow within his heart and he stole the wife of Rama, which was Sita.

*** Bhai Gurdas Ji says that Rama Chandra was a pure being, and because of his following of Dharma (rightousness) stone rose up. This refers to when Rama went to Sri Lanka from India, stones floated up from the ocean and made a bridge from India to Lanka.

**** This is a very interesting line because it resembles exaclty what Guru Gobind SIngh Ji wrote (i.e. Ram katha jug jug atal, sab koe bhakat neit).

In the Dasam Granth, Guru Gobind Singh Ji talks about Valmiki (the writer of the Ramayana, or story of Ram)

On page 613, Guru Gobind Singh Ji says:

ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਕਾਬਯ ਕੀ ਕਥਾ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਅਾਜ ਭਾਖੀਅੈ ॥ ਸੁ ਸਿੱਧ ਬ੍ਰਿੱਧ ਦਾਿੲਨੀ ਸਮ੍ਰਿਧ ਬੈਣ ਰਾਖੀਅੈ ॥

The story of his immaculate poem which is really wonderful accomplished and powerful; this story (Ramayan) is even re-composed today

ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਿਰਮਾਲੀ ਮਹਾਂ ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਕਾਵਯ ਕੱਥੀਅੈ ॥ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਸ਼ਬਦ ੳਪਜੈ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਕੋ ਨ ਕਿੱਜੀਅੈ ॥

His poem is said to be extremely pure and each of its episodes is spotless, sanctified and marvellous. 6.

ਸੁ ਸੇਵ ਕਾਲਦੇਵ ਕੀ ਅਭੇਵ ਜਾਨ ਕੀਜੀੲੇ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤ ੳੱਠ ਤਾਸ ਕੋ ਮਾਹਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੀਜੀੲੇ ॥

According to the instructions given in the Ramayana, we should ever be in the service of the Lord; we should get up early in the morning and remember His Name;

ਅਸੰਖ ਦਾਨ ਦੇਹਗੇ ਦੁਰੰਤ ਸ਼ਤ੍ਰ ਘਾਿੲ ਹੈ ॥ ਸੁ ਪਾਨ ਰਾਖ ਅਾਪਨੋ ਅਜਾਨ ਕੋ ਬਚਾਿੲ ਹੈ ॥

Through the Glory of His Name, many enemies are killed and the charities of innumberable types are bestowed; that Lord, also keeping His name on our heads, protects the ignorant people like us.

Like I said before, live debate is what would get the job done. Talk here is not proper as it takes too long so it isn't effectice or efficient. Bijlaa Singh, debates onliine will never solve any issue.

Inder Singh, I know you can't debate because you aren't allowed to. You are doing your job very well to be honored but bring you game to live debate.

If you truely believe this, why do you keep posting your beliefs and debating with others on this forum? Looks like you just announced your retirement. Goodbye.

whenever Khalsa Fauj gets into a corner without a response he says he is tired of this and wants to debate in person. then a few hours later he will post something else controversial. lol

whats interesting to note is, i may be wrong... but im preety sure when i was reading through sarbloh granth i did see the names, Shyaam

aswell as the Das Gobind , Gobind Shah etc

let me look thru it again and if i find it will post it

is there any part of the sections where Shyaam, Raam, Kaal are used that we also see the words Gobind Shah, or Daas Gobind ? That would surely be concrete evidence for the anti-dasam parties

Dunno where you got that from but its far from correct. Whether rightly or wrongly some Nihang Singhs do pesh just for parting with their 3 foot tulwar for a small period of time, let alone their normal kirpan. Theres a grave danger of misrepresentation when we try to make sweeping generalisation or present a norm of beliefs amongst a particular order.

Sorry, but thats just from what I saw in a brief period of time when I was in India. You definetly have spent a lot of time around the Dal so you could probably comment better but was it just me or do lot of Nihangs just wear that rope with the small kirpan on it when they are just relaxing?

I think generally we can all agree Nihangs keep the most shastar around though

nihangs tend to believe that since they have their little punjshastar (very small shastars, the size of ones nail) in their dumalla, they are 'ok' for not keeping a kirpan on them whilst ishnaan and sleeping etc

i guess thats a way of still being 'within' marayda, but i think lacks purpose of what the marayda was meant for , i.e. kirpan/karad was meant for self-defense, meant to be a shastar

in the shastarvidiya akhara they take off their kara's to train, because if they did not it would lead to serious injury.

singhs take their kirpans off for airplanes, even mahapursh that come abroad

i don't think its a big deal, i think there is a distinction between removing a kakkar like kirpan for a few minutes/hours for a purpose, and removing kesh (which is a bujjar kurehat)

most people don't seem to think so, and that is the argument most people give.

please post dates

Rejection of the status and importance of the Sant is absolutely antithetical to Gurmat:

- Because if you read Gurbani you will find in there repeated references to the 'prasad' of the Sant, you meet with Brahamgyan. What pleases the Sant pleases Bhagvan.

- Because following the Guru's updesh, Brahamgyan is your purusharth, your goal in life, because all is else is as fleeting 'like a wall of sand' (Sri Guru Tegh Bahadar).

- Because the Sant who has achieved Brahamgyan, takes you to the door of moksh, helps you to purify yourself, get you prepared, to then be acknowledged by Braham with moksh.

- Because your Satiguru stated explicilty in Gurbani 'I drink the water I used to clean the feet of the saints', 'I live to have the dust from the feet of the Saints', etc.

- If you haven't met a Sant so far, try harder, their sangat is vital.

very nicely said

however, it would be beneficial i think for people on the board to understand the definition of a sant. like, how do we recognize a sant?

also Fateh singh, why have non of the SantKhalsa got pajama on?

photo was taken during a heat wave

thanks for the response mystical, very interesting

anyone have any information about him, he used to be one of the main mahants at hardiwar, in the past 50 years

For those are not familiar with the story of Baba Fateh Singh Ji dressing up in 'Mahakal' saroop, it was when he arrived in Guru Gobind Singh Jis Darbaar in the Mahakal saroop (form), by wearing blue bana, a tall dastaar, a farla, and decked with weapons.

Now, literally the word Mahakal means Greater than Death, but also refers to Shiv Ji. Mahakal is a ferocious form of Shiv Ji.

What got me thinking was when I read in Bijay Mukht Prakhash Granth*, Guru Gobind Singh Ji explains to the Sangat that Baba Fateh Singh Ji is the avatar of Shiv Ji (he also mentiosn how Baba Zoravar Singh Ji is the avatar of Indra).

So when Maharaj said to the Sangat that he will make a panth that will look like Baba Fateh Singh Ji, (i.e. Nihangs), are Nihangs then the form of Shiv Ji?

This goes back to the line in Sarbloh where it says...

ਧਰਮ ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪ੍ਰਚੁਰ-ਭਯੋ, ਸਤਿ ਸ਼ਿਵੰ ਪੁਨਯ ਰੂਪ ਜੲੇ ॥

One interpretation of this line is...

The sacred and pure Panth multiplied, having the true form of Parmeshar (Sat Shivan, here is translated as Parmeshar, which can be argued. Bhai Kahan Singh Ji in his mahan kosh does note that Shiv can also refer to Parmeshar. This is the appraoch that Jathedar Akali Baba Santha Singh Ji takes.

or it can be seen that Sat Shivan in the line means the true Shiv (roop/form)

Share your thoughts

*Bijay Mukht Granth is an old sau saukhi, that some claim to be the oldest and most authentic sau sakhi. It was written by an attendant of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and talks about the daily conversations Guru Sahib had with the Sangat, i.e. questions the Sangat asked, or if Maharaj gave them any hukams etc

Rap killed the afro-american movement that Malcolm X started.

What an uneducated statement.

The rap that you are most likely are talking about, gangster rap, was only came into being in the very late 1980's, 1989ish, and had its most famous raise in the 90s. At least that is when it appeared on the music market for sale. Even in those early days, from the late 1980's to the mid to late 1990's, gangster rap was usually done by black rappers who had grown up in rough conditions, and usually they were just speaking of their story, of how rough their living conditions are etc. Nowadays, rap has evolved to something else however.

I believe kaam translates to 'obsession/addiction/lust'. It does not necessarily have to relate to sexual desire, but this form of lust/desire is certainly the strongest.

I understand what you are saying Randip Singh Ji, all I am saying is that we shouldn't ridicule traditional methods which some youth today find nimrata and strentgh in - methods or cultures which I personally saw esteemed and devote members the older generation use, not to mention divine personalities in History and many famous Gursikh. Your leather example actually implies 'association' so it would have been cultivated elsewhere - to that with which it associates.

If your method works for you, its all well and good. Some of us like to believe their is wisdom in tradition/religious personalities, those beliefs should at the very least be respected.

kaam, (kaamaa in sanskrit) in the most literal sense means desire, and that can manifest in many ways, be it sexual, material, emotional

I kinda feel the same way about aloo tiki's at times.....

I guess a cheat day with 'only' aloo tiki's is permissable so long as I don't have hopes, desires, thoughts of coveting a samosa......

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

so then for gristi sikhs, should they try to control their kaam or what

Re the comments by Jsingh96 regarding Taksals view on the Sri Sarbloh Parkash is that it is a work authored and compiled by Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji at Sarbloh Bunga which is now Baba nidhan Singh Ji's Gurdwara. Bhai Balbir Singh Ji mentions it in his katha.

Jathedar Baba Santha Singh Ji also mentioned this in his katha, and this information is also found in the steek of Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib. (about Sarbloh Bunga)

MDS,

1. Whether the Sarbloh Granth has more Bir Ras than Dasam Granth is not the main issue here. The Nihangs claim that Sarbloh Granth is a Bir Ras Granth. What is important here is that a group which claims to be 'original' Khalsa and puritanical with it can so easily accept a text as genuine when it had not been available to them from over 100 years. This is all the more important given that scholars belonging to the sanatan mindset have dismissed the Sarbloh Granth as being the work of Sukha Singh from Patna Sahib written a few decades before it became available in Punjab.

Firstly it should be noted that Baba Inderjit Singh Rakhbe Vale, who learned from Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji, said that the Singhs always used to have Sarbloh Granth. When Maharaj completed/finished the saroop at Sri Hazur Sahib Nadar, Sarbloh Granth was read often by the Sikhs of that area. Sri Sarbloh Granth is well known to the Hazori Sikhs. However you are right that it was not well known back in Punjab, because the only people that brought it back were the Nihungs. And even when they did get back, they weren't so keen on spreading that particular granth.

MDS,

This is all the more important given that scholars belonging to the sanatan mindset have dismissed the Sarbloh Granth as being the work of Sukha Singh from Patna Sahib written a few decades before it became available in Punjab.

I believe only Bhai Kahan Singh and a few other gianis of the time refer to it as Sukha Singhs work. Akali Kaur Singh amongest many other very prominent Sikhs mantained a high faith in Sri Sarbloh Granth. I have in my notes a list of a few people who said it was Sukha Singhs work and the prominent Sikhs who believed it was Gurbani. Will post that soon.

Thanks much kam for clarification on this.

May Akaal purkh keeps gurmatveechar.com online forever. It's a vein of gurmat parchar online.

I fortantely had the blessings of meeting Baba Inderjit Singh Ji randomly at the Toronto Nagar Kirtan on May 3rd. We did some bachan bilas, he is staying with a relative I think in Markham (on the outskirts of toronto).

Will hopefully be spending time with him in the next week, so if you have questions for him, maybe I could record them for sangat.

Hello,

I need to find out if there is any difference baikhunt and sachkhand? I understand i may not get a clear cut answer is because gurbani supports meta reality. Lets start with what is baikhunt in context of Gurmat? I understand based on old traditional orders of hinduism an baikhunt is considered an adobe of bhrama where upasakhs of bhrama do simran/bhajans there. But when gurbani talks about baikhunt? what is it referring too in context of shabad? same as sachkhand? or some sort of place where all doing simran? is it naam simran on nirgun or sargun?

My searching skills on gurbani sites is really bad, can someone please post gurbani shabads talking about baikhunt? so deep vichar can be done on this?

Much thanks in advance.

i was under the impression that Baikunt was the Heavenly Abode of Indra. Am I mistaken?