Undergroundsikhi

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very good points people nice to see no argueing for once and see some productive moves 8)

Do you think they have been a productive platform for people to understand their history and reasearch more, or do you think ppl can't handle the info and have dismissed it altogether ?

I better start reading Gurmukhi

www.dtfbooks.com they have dasam not full but better than nothing, I rthink they may now stock Treh_chitra if not sikh miss in southall they also now stock sarbloh granth

Most definately our heritage is being preserved it's what we need

Good correction Mr $ingh

thats coming out to

WKJKK WJKF

Sukhmana sahib will be online soon, Kamalroop Singh (independent reasearcher) has the original pothis with this paat from Sri Dasam Granth Sahib and has had the work typed up and assures the sangat that he will send it out for the masses

WKJKK WJKF

One great soul said "Kao Piyo Ash Karo, Par Kisida Dil Nah Dakha"

Note: no need for sharab or drugs but live of the Natural Nasha of Life,

PS: Don't be boring Life is there to Live not to sit at home and say Waheguru you can do it on the MOVE :wink:

Smile now and then, sometimes we go thorough the pain to appreciate the pleasure, trust me, a few years ago my grandma died,mum went mental and for 3 months we were in total pain, & NOW GURU JI DI KIRPA,

Things have worked out much better

Why do we bother with god ? When we know he's with us all the time.

:bravo: Hands up if you do

On

http://www.sikhstudent.org/

true but it happned about 8 years ago

read this

http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/sain_ravidas.html

women saint in bani

didn;t know that.....where do we get one from hahah...i read in bani guru ji talks about being a lotus flower

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=79

The Lotus

The flowering head of the Lotus plant has been a symbol of spirituality in India for thousands of years.

The life cycle of the Lotus plant begins when a Lotus seed finds its way into the sediments at the bottom of some warm little pond somewhere.

Though barely able to see the light through the murky water, the new shoot strives upwards until eventually it bursts into the light, bringing the beauty of its delicate petals to the pool's surface.

During their development, the plants filter and purify the body of water in which they find themselves, making the water transparent.

According to a traditional saying, the more muddy and opaque the water is to start with, the more beautiful the Lotus flower is when it arrives.

Traditionally, Lotus flowers have been associated with the chakras. Flowers with larger numbers of petals being associated with higher centres.

One of the most important yoga poses for meditation is named padmasana, or 'Lotus posture'.

Lotus flowers have a long history of use as meditative objects, no doubt due - in part - to their similarities to mandalas.

The life cycle of these flowers may be seen as symbolising the evolution of the individual - who is born in darkness and strives to reach the light

Intersting point, also if you look at The "Encyclopedia of Sikhism" Harbans Singh, Patitala Uni..alot of the references come from Rattan Singh Bhangoo and Giani Gian Singhs work.

its now online @ www.allaboutsikhs.com but you have to register

I recently bought a book, Called "Sikh in the 18th century, by Surjit Singh Gandhi" and like all other modern historians he has selected the pieces that suit his needs...good stepping stone though

try doing ssome streches b4 doing paat, and tune into your breathing and feel waheguru waheguru...then begin the paat with mool mantar and don;t stop until the the end of the paat is finished try what works best for you

waheguru ji ka khalsa

waheguru ji kee fateh!

With God's kindness, last week I spent a day at an all white school in

Thetford, Norfolk. It was the town where the Last Maharaja and the first

UK Sikh lived. Maharaja Duleep Singh resided here when Queen Victoria

brought him over to England. The children where aged 10 and had never

seen a Sikh before, except from a distance in Macdonalds so they thought

the turban was weird! I started off singing mool mantr followed by

Waheguru Waheguru followed by Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji kee fateh!

I had closed eyes and hands together at my heart. I asked them to think

of God while I sung a verse in praise of God. I didn't explain to them what it meant, I just wanted them to feel the power of God's Word.

The boys started laughing as soon as I started, but I kept concentrating

and finished off. Thinking this is going to be a difficult class, they

asked me what it meant and to sing it again. I said if I sing it again you're just going to laugh again! They said they wouldn't but I knew they would, so I said I'm going to sing again and if you want to laugh just laugh , get it out of your system.

When I was a kid being laughed at for having a joora (topknot) was the worst thing in the world. But now I thought it is better they laugh at me

than laugh at some other Sikh kid who may be devasted. So I sang again

with my eyes closed and this time the girls started laughing as well. I

then asked them if any one felt different and a few of them put their hands up. Mainly people felt different when they wanted to join in with a group but were rejected. I told them that's how I felt when I was the only Sikh kid in my school and children used to grab my joora or call me names. But now I was quite happy to be different because our tenth master Guru Gobind Singh Ji said he would make his Sikh stand out in a crowd.

We played a little game where I got them to guess how long my turban was

and how long my hair was. Then I unravelled the tuban and let my hair

down, then tied it up again. That was really interesting for them. We

talked about the 5Ks all being part of a sikh identity, so we would stand out and be different. Then in the break they all wanted to wear the 5Ks especially the turban, so I must have tied about 50 small turbans and the kids loved it - loved wearing a crown and feeling like a king/queen. One of the kids said to me he wanted to be a Sikh!!

After the break I told the story of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji , about human rights and about standing up for what you believe. I said no-one came forward to get the Guru's head and body so the tenth master said he would

make Sikhs different so they could never hide. That is what my mum told

me when I was a kid and really reluctant to go to school or to keep my hair.

At the end they wanted me to sing the song again, but I said you'll just laugh again. They said they wouldn't so I closed my eyes and put my pressed hand over my heart and started singing. The boys started giggling, instead of getting angry I thought of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji and thought how much love he had pouring out of his heart throughout the torure of his Sikhs and his own beheading. And I imagined the SatGuru's love going from my heart directly into the hearts of the chldren. Throw flowers in return for stones. To my amazement the giggling stopped and the boys started singing WAHEGURU WAHEGURU, I was astonished and then I heard the girls join in and the whole class was singing WAHEGURU WAHEGURU. So this time I started laughing and opened my eyes at the small miracle!! Even when the class finished they carried on singing to themselves.

Wonderful Immortal Timeless Being, The Embodiement of God the Eternal

Guru, Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji who made a fool like me do some seva.

Have faith in God, in the True Name and the True Guru

Waheguru jee ka khalsa Waheguru jee kee fateh!

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Baba Nihal Singh, Horshipur lived up to his name

1980 With the protection of Baba Nihal Singh, Krishan

Kaur Khalsa was the first woman to perform kirtan, in

recent time, within the confines of Sri Harimandir

Sahib. Vikram Singh Khalsa was performing kirtan on

the Gurupurab for the birthday for Guru Ram Das Ji.

This kirtan was for a Bhog on the roof of the

Harimandir Sahib -- not in the main hall. When he

finished, he motioned for Krishna Kaur Khalsa to play.

As she began some SGPC sevadars moved to stop her but

Baba Nihal Singh and some other Nihungs stood in their

way and protected her right to perform kirtan within

the confines of the Harimandir Sahib. Still no Sikh

woman has performed kirtan in the main darbar.

In 1979, Sikhs of American descent performed Kirtan in

Darbar Sahib for the very first time while observing

Guru Ram Das's Prakash Utsav. Sardar Vikram Singh

Khalsa, Ajeet Singh Khalsa, and Guru Sangat Singh

Khalsa performed kirtan in the main darbar.

http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/history/his0826.htm

1984: Baba Nihal Singh was Right Hand Man of Sant

Jarnail Singh, and had many gevious with the Indian

Army's and Politians

One Story i heard was that they; raided the camp and

caught Baba Ji and his Singhs, and tied him upto a

jeep and dragged him around the villages on a

rope,tearing his skin apart and painstakenly broke his

arms and legs. They tied his beard up with his "nala"

from his kachera and beat him continuously. But baba

ji , nver gave up.

1964 11 Sikhs were gunned down at Paonta Sahib

(Himachal Pradesh) by the Mahant's henchmen.

The sangat of Poanta Sahib had requested head of Tarna

Dal (not Nihal Singh, but the one before him) to visit

the Gurdwara. They complained that the residing masand

was abusing the Gurdwara premises through drinking,

raping women that came alone, and making prostitutes

dance inside. After several such requests Babaji

decided to visit Poanta Sahib accompanied by 13

GurSikhs. They left, from Gurdwara Haria Welan

Hoshiarpur, riding horses and horse drawn carts. When

they arrived near Gurdwara Poanta Sahib, two GurSikhs

carried Babaji's message for the masand requesting

initiation of a Akhand Path at the Gurdwara. The

masand did not give a definitive answer, instead

assured to respond before the next morning. Meanwhile

the masand confided with the local police chief, one

of his corrupt friends who endorsed and permitted his

evil acts.

Babaji started the Akhand Path next morning which

proceeded uninterrupted for 2 days. On the 2nd day,

the masand came with the police. They arrested Babaji

who was outside at that time and fired at the GurSikhs

inside, who were conducting the Akhand Path. The

GurSikhs had no guns. For they had not come with the

intent to fight, but rather to hear the sangat's

concerns. As a result they were brutally massacred.

Eleven died and two survived. As each Pathi was shot

while reciting the Guru Granth Sahib, another simply

pushed his body and continued the uninterrupted

recitation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Nihal Singh, 21

at the time, continued with his choar sewa (even when

he had been shot 3 times) until the last GurSikh was

shot. As the Akhand Path was interrupted, Nihal Singh

finally fell. The only survivor was the youngest

GurSikh, a 11 year old, who was found hiding behind a

nagara (drums). Besides him all others were presumed

dead. It wasn't until the bodies were being loaded up

in a cart that a small child saw Nihal Singh breath

and informed the local sikhs. The local sikhs who had

gathered by now, screamed to get him some medical

attention. Fortunately they succeeded in their

efforts. He received medical attention and survived

with Vaaheguru's grace. He was subsequently honored by

many gurdwaras as "Jinda-Shaheed" Jathedar. The masand

was finally removed. Akhand paths are held each year

in the commemoration of this event.

http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/history/his0522.htm

Still Today Baba Ji lives on....Salute to a devouted

Sevadar of the Panth

"undergroundsikhi where exactly r ur classes?"

Not my classes they are "Akali Nihang Baba Darbara Singh Akhara of Budha Dal" if any thing

I've got no skills I have just been to 2 classes and have been very physically secure after going, once in feb I had 15 guys come to our gurdwara giving me agro"Loads of reasons behind it " but to cut a long story short....... I was surrounded by 15 guys given me abuse, and each step of the way i remebered what i had learn in the 2 lessons,

1) Never let anyone come behind you

2) Always try and walk away from the incident first

3) if your gonna hit, make sure its with one blow ( i had my kara's ready to smash their naka's)

4) Whilst they where swearing at me I was planning to kick the knee's and smash my kara in their faces

5) at the same time using my voice to calm them down and bod language

6) look for weapons around you ( i had a fire extinguser at my feet)

ANd this was well beneficial I could have go beaten but the advice from Niddar Singh and a quick ardas to guruji *When i was really khacking it* (You try talking to 15, Punjabi P*ss heads)

but either way they left and things worked out

So any of you out there "I;m not promoting eaten meat or drinking goblets of sukkha :wink: ......but try out "Sevaya Rakshia" classes and see you "Robh" increase and your awareness if not for yourself then others protection.

Trust me man i been twice no water down stuff, eye stabbing,arm twisting,throat ripping,groin grabbing,knee snapping In 2 lessons wheren;t bad and NO WEED or Meat involved.....

So as its says above everyone can come, and remember ppl will put u pff saying u have to a meat take weed etc its all %^%^%^%^%^ they just can;t handle it.

This Vidiya is hard work, and I get tired in 10 minutes of running, @ kick boxing class I tried that shastar namsakran again the other day """"Pheww" hard work to remember and do try it

"Don;' knock it till yah tried it"