G.Kaur

I do. There are a lot of problems in India and Punjab, but unlike you, I'm trying to understand other people who are less fortune as me.

Yes Dal, you know everything and the rest of us know nothing.

I just told you to try to be in another man's shoes and when you have then come and talk. It's nothing personal to you, if there were other members saying what you do/did I'd tell them to do the same.

Well, that's what's happened to Punjab under continual Jatt 'leadership' so go cry to your own people instead of blaming everyone else in the world like a child. Besides, what makes you so sure all of the freshies are peasants anyway? Maybe they are, I wouldn't know. It's probably the first question a fhudu like yourself asks someone when you meet them.

Strange how on one hand we've had constant 'giving it the big un' with never ending idiotic songs boasting about how great it is to be a son of a farmer whilst on the other you have people (like yourself and Babbu Maan) lamenting, bemoaning and crying about it? Talk about confused.

You're PR stuff is boring by the way. Go back home and help your people. I know lots of long standing diasporic based farmers have land and wealth back home. Do you actually help your beloved peeps by anything more than typing up apologist crap for everything they do on the net?

Who's acting like a child here, Dal? Calling someone a fh*** and other names is what we did when we were kids and teenagers, let's try to act like adults.

To me it seems like you have no empathy for other people let alone Punjabis. When you have never been in the situation (and probably never will be) most Punjabis in Punjab are in, how on earth can you say things like "why do pendus not do their homework before they go abroad" blah blah blah. You sound like you're some white guy. If you were a white guy and saying all these things, I'd say okay but since you're not you shouldn't say people should do this and that, because if you were in the same situation you wouldn't do all the things you mention. Are you in total denial of your own identity and background? I've asked you before and going to ask again since since you didn's answer my question last time, why did your parents come to the UK, why didn't they stay in Punjab? Didn't they want a better life abroad just like everyone else? Why do you think you are better than immigrants from Punjab who want to go to the UK?

It's a fact that we cannot predict what we will do in our future, or what we would do in a situation we have never been in. You're not living in Punjab, so I'm asking you again, how can you say you would do your homework before going to Europe?

It's like when people make fun of poor people in Asia and Africa and say they look like bandars when they've been starving for days and finally get some food (rice or other food from the UN) and they go totally crazy in the queue because they want food for themselves and their families. People who haven't been starving for more than an hour, how dare they make fun of people in those situations in refugee camps in third world countries!

I'd suggest you go to India or another third world country and stay there for 6-12 months, go live in the slum areas in India where's there's no clean water or electricity, go to Africa and live with a poor farmer who only get food every second day or go to Punjab and live on the streets with other homeless people or go begging on the streets like a lot of children do.

Dal, when you know nothing about what's going on in Punjab and why people want to go abroad, I don't understand why you're saying all these things because you've never been in their shoes. Go to Africa or India and stay there for a year and then come back and tell us about your experiences. Don't just sit there like a spoiled kid in the UK thinking you are better than everyone else, because there's no difference between you and and those immigrants from India who lives in the UK.

Unfortunately the old man's side of the family are some of the most pendufied junglee pendus I have ever encountered. They put the 'pend' in 'pendu' and prove that whilst the pendus can leave the pend, the pend doesn't necessarily leave the pendu!

You should make them something more healthy like reduced sugar punjeeri instead!

I didn't ask about your family, I asked about you. What do you classify yourself as? If you don't want to answer, it's okay.

My colleagues always go "Gurjeet, how do you make cakes without using egg", and then my boss was like "please make some eggless cookies for our meeting today". If I ever get fired, I can always start my own cake business, lol.

I don't really like punjeeri.

Cant go wrong when you do your own Jhatka in the garden

Wasn't it you who was going to invite all of the SA sangat to your house for roti with lamb brain?

I'm still awaiting my invitation!

My definitions vary across contexts.

So in one context (type 1) pendu represents someone from a pend. Nothing else. This is a neutral term. That is how I used it in the above example.

In another context (type 2) it denotes someone who is backwards, small minded and non progressive. They do not necessarily have to be from pends.

I also use pendu to describe people from the same ancestral pend as my family as in 'my pendu' (type 3).

So before any inferiority complex kicks in, realise that I myself am from a pend and have some pendus (as in type 2 above) in my own family, some of whom are not from pends but a lot of whom are.

Hope this clears matters for you!

Do have a read of that paper I attached to my last post. It helps put things in historical perspective a bit. So we realise that this is not a new phenomena.

So do you classify yourself as a pendu from Pindustania?

Thanks for the paper, I'll read it later. I'm a bit preoccupied right now making chocolate cookies for my colleagues

Thanks for the links, I'll have a look.

Dal, what is the definition of a pendu to you?

I too used to pronounce that last one wrong for a while because I thought the printer had forgotten to to put the small nasal 'n' symbol thing in (what's it called?)

Pronunciation is very important but given that we have a number of schools that have different opinions on this today, it's difficult to absolutely put your foot down and say 'this way is unequivocally the correct way!'

That's why I think the faith thing is important. I mean if Bhagat Dhanna got where he got to worshiping a stone, I'm sure Waheguru will forgive us a few minor mispronunciations. That doesn't mean we purposefully get slack btw, just that sometimes we will have differing opinions on the matter and to be frank, sometimes I struggle to pronounce sounds I find difficult too!

Besides, what if someone with a lisp was to get into bani and could never pronounce the 's' properly - ever, I'm sure Akal Purakh wouldn't hold it against him/her?

It's called tippi.

Thanks for the help, kam1825.

Well I read something regarding this in Prem Sumarag but the view seems to be one that most orthodox people would vehemently oppose today.

Care to elaborate?

Educated people do much more female foeticide than illetrate one

How do you know that? Any statistics to prove your theory?

I was thinking about anatomy and physiology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryo

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00212.htm

Perhaps after educating people in biology they might stop blaming women when they get girls, and stop taking all kind of drinks, powder, pills and medicine because they're told they will get a boy if they eat that.

Education and parchaar is needed.

A very interesting and thought-provoking documentary about surrogate mothers in India.

Welcome to the Gujarat baby factory where over 50 women are carrying babies for wealthy Westerners. Is commercial surrogacy a valid way out of poverty or an excuse for the West to rip off the Third World?

There are a lot of other documentaries about India on http://www.youtube.com/user/journeymanpictures

I'm not looking for excuses on how to avoid certain food, because avoiding food is not the problem.

I'm asking here because I spoke to 2 of my friends about this, a muslim and an amritdhari. My muslim friend said that in Islam you're not allowed to ask another muslim if they have checked the food, because by going to another muslim's house you shouldn't question the food they made for you. My amritdhari friend said that you should always ask because you don't know how much other people focus on the ingredients and just because you do, you can't expect others to do the same.

So I'm asking from a Sikh point of view, if there is any?

Thanks for the replies btw.

I'm not vegan, I'm vegetarian. My topic is not about being polite, I would like to know if we should have faith in our fellow vegetarians and just assume there's no animal ingredients in the food they give you?

Interesting that we in the west consider Panjbai 'simpletons'. yet they ,back home think that we are simple. How many times when visiting India as kids have you guys heard your relatives say that Eh bholla he or Bhahar'le lok sidhe ya ? I thought it was a compliment as a kid as in that I was sensible but now I think its they who were trying to state their own street-wise mental superiority.

But now the facts speak for itself.

I think I was pretty thick and naive when I was a kid and visiting Punjab, because all the chalak kids always cheated me. Later on in life I learned about their chalak-ness.

Amritsar, Jun 17 (PTI) The body of a 23-year-old youth, who was killed in London, was today cremated by his family members as per Sikh rituals at a village in Tarn Taran district.

The body of Harjit Singh Nijjar was brought to Kalha village, nearly 40 km from Amritsar, with the help of some NRIs who collected funds to send it to India.

Wassan Singh, father of the deceased, claimed that his son was a victim of racial attack.

"The four British nationals, including two women, came to the residence of Harjit located at Spikes Bridge Road House-15, South Hall," he said.

"Harjit was then attacked by a 30-year-old man and two girls while he was taking rest in his home. They called him out from the home and attacked with a sharp article after which he died on the spot," Wassan claimed.

The victim''s father informed that the trio was nabbed by London Police. But the girls were freed of charges and the man, identified as Saqib Asif Khan, was taken into custody.

The family members of Harjit Singh revealed that two London police inspectors had apprised the family about the death of Harjit.

Both are in touch with the family about the subsequent developments in Harjit''s murder case, Wassan said.

"The British government had demanded 6,000 pounds to send the body here. We were unable to gather the amount for transporting the body... Even Punjab government failed to help us," a distraught Wassan claimed.

When the issue was raised by a section of media, some NRIs responded to the call and collected funds to help us, he said.

Harjit had gone to England on study basis a year back. He was a student of management technology in Business Academy, London, Wassan said.

Earlier, Jasbir Kaur gave a tearful adieu to her son along with rest of the family and villagers.

The family members expressed their resentment against politicians who did not helped the family bring back the body home.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/youth-killed-uk-cremated-punjab-village-150100296.html

Lol

Me fasting? You must be nuts. I can't fast for an hour, let alone a whole day!

man convicted of murder = comics and animation??????

I must have got lost somewhere.

Ssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

LOL @ your comment about Coca-Cola.

Btw I'm not an addict (yet!)

On http://www.youtube.com/sikhinspiration it says:

The Sikh Temple

192 Chapeltown Road

Leeds LS74HZ GB

Katha in English of Sri Japji Sahib will be done on a weekly basis starting at 7pm til 8pm in the downstairs Darbar followed by a q&a session on the Katha that has just been done. Then at 8pm there will be Gurbani Santhea classes for 14 plus age group. All youth and elders should attend and make the most of this event on a weekly basis and begin to understand what message OUR Guru is giving to us and as it will be in English British born Sikhs will be able to easily understand the Katha.

That is, if you live in the UK.

To all you vegetarians out there, what do you do when you are at other people's (vegetarians) houses and they serve you food that you find questionable, meaning that the biscuits or the chocolates or other food that they serve you might contain egg, gelatine or other animal ingredients? Should one ask if the food contains egg or other animal ingredients, or do you just have faith in your fellow vegetarians and just assume there's no animal ingredients in the food?

I'm asking because I was offered some candy at vegetarian friend's house, I asked her if there was gelatine in it and she said no, then I took the bag and read the ingredients list and it had gelatine in it. She got quite embarrassed and I got kinda embarrassed too, but then again I just asked her and it showed that she didn't check the ingredients list.

I've also tried it in the Gurdwara and at other people's houses and I'd like to know where you as a vegetarian think we should draw the line? I think it's important not to hurt other people regarding their food, but is it our farj to ask or should you assume that there are no animal ingredients in the food?

Thank you for taking time out of your busy life to fill the role of my oh so non-existant conscience.

Could you tell me what you would have said if you was going to be rude and personal on a discussion forum?

Sri Japji Sahib Katha Week 1 - Part 1 (Mool Mantar)

http://www.youtube.com/user/sikhinspiration#p/c/92A81A0B174835B8/0/2tzvLD1TOjw

Sri Japji Sahib Katha Week 1 - Part 2 (Mool Mantar)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS1tFzWeIlw

Sri Japji Sahib Katha Week 1 - Part 3 (Mool Mantar)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s_cdoJpAv4

Sri Japji Sahib Katha Week 1 - Part 4 (Mool Mantar)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNhCCqdtHzs