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Quick thread. here is a short speech by Singh Sahib Giani Ram Singh Ji Hazoor Sahib Walae talking about the Sri Dasam Granth. This video is from the Barsi of Baba Thakur Singh Ji 2009 in Willenhall, UK

The link is below

Enjoy

At one stage he called sggs ji aad Granth Sahib and at the end he called DG sri guru dasam granth sahib and if that is not insult to SGGS ji then you guys are from different planet.

Below are 7 videos fromt he Sri Dasam Granth Paath Bhog on the 23rd of Dec 09 for Baba Thakur Singh ji's Barsi.

Part 01

Part 02

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrKam1825#p/u/5/s4oxHHJSWJw

Part 03

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrKam1825#p/u/4/bwaPtm8l0V4

Part 04

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrKam1825#p/u/0/_6vdTxLrezc

Part 05

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrKam1825#p/u/3/CAQ4U_WbDHo

Part 06

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrKam1825#p/u/2/xsVM7T6j-SE

Part 07

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrKam1825#p/u/1/eQLU3MzWIgY

Enjoy

In the Ardas, Ardasi singh said Sant baba Jarnail Singh ji still in chardi kala,I think that is a lie and disrespect to the great sikh of 21st Century, why dont they admit sant ji gave shaheedi at darbar sahib in 1984

You can see the real picture here as well

http://www.wakeupkhalsa.com/news-punjab.php#np1

ਪ੍ਰੈਸ ਰਿਲੀਜ਼

ਝੂਠੁ ਨ ਬੋਲਿ ਪਾਡੇ ਸਚੁ ਕਹੀਐ ॥

ਝੂਠ ਦੇ ਸਹਾਰੇ ਮੇਰੇ ਉਤੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਜਾ ਰਹੇ ਕੁਝ ਸਵਾਲ

ਪਹਿਲਾ ਸਵਾਲ ਕਿ 1984 ਵਿਚ ਕੌਮੀ ਦੁਖਾਂਤ ਸਮੇਂ ਇਹ ਫਿਲਮ ਬਣਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ। ਕਥਿਤ ਫਿਲਮ 1984 ਤੋਂ ਬਹੁਤ ਸਮਾਂ ਪਹਿਲੇ ਬਣੀ ਪਰ ਕਿਸੇ ਆਰਥਕ ਤੰਗੀ ਕਾਰਨ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਰਿਲੀਜ਼ ਕਰਨ ਵਿਚ ਦੇਰੀ ਹੋਈ। ਇਸ ਫਿਲਮ ਨੂੰ ਜਲੰਧਰ ਦੇ ਇਕ ਸੱਜਣ ਨੇ ਬਣਾਇਆ, ਜਲੰਧਰ ਦੇ ਹੀ ਰਾਣਾ ਪਰਿਵਾਰ ਜਿਸਦੀ ਰਿੰਗ ਰੋਡ ਉਤੇ ਕੋਠੀ ਹੈ, ਨੇ ਉਸਨੂੰ ਮੇਰੇ ਕੋਲ ਭੇਜਿਆ ਕਿ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਫਿਲਮ ਵਿਚ ਇਕ ਧਾਰਮਕ ਸੀਨ ਤੇ ਇਕ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਪੜ੍ਹਾਂ। ਮੈ ਇਕ ਕੀਰਤਨੀਏ ਦੇ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚੋ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਪੜ੍ਹਿਆ। ਉਸ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਭੀ ਕਈ ਜਥਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਕਈ ਧਾਰਮਕ ਫਿਲਮਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਪੜ੍ਹੇ ਸਨ, ਮੇਰੇ ਤੋਂ ਬਹੁਤ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਸੰਤ ਫਤਿਹ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਅਕਾਲੀ ਦਲ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨ ਹੁੰਦਿਆਂ ਹੋਇਆਂ ਫਿਲਮ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮ ਜਹਾਜ਼ ਵਿਚ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਪੜ੍ਹਿਆ ਸੀ। ਕੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਧਾਰਮਕ ਸੀਨ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਦਾ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਕਦੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੜ੍ਹਿਆ, ਕੀ ਇਹ ਗੁਨਾਹ ਹੈ ?

ਮੈਂ ਫਿਲਮ ਵਿਚ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਗੁਰੁ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਪੜ੍ਹਿਆ - ਧਨਾਸਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ 5 ॥ ਦੂਤ ਦੁਸਮਨ ਸਭਿ ਤੁਝ ਤੇ ਨਿਵਰਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਪ੍ਰਤਾਪੁ ਤੁਮਾਰਾ ॥ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਤੇਰੇ ਭਗਤ ਦੁਖਾਏ ਓਹੁ ਤਤਕਾਲ ਤੁਮ ਮਾਰਾ ॥1॥

ਸੰਗਤ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਕਹਿਣ ਤੇ ਕਿ ਹੇਮਕੁੰਟ ਦਾ ਇਤਹਾਸ ਸੁਣਾਓ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਇਹ ਪੁਰਾਤਨ ਅਸਥਾਨ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਭਾਈ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਭਾਈ ਵੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਮੇ ਅੰਦਾਜ਼ੇ ਨਾਲ ਬਣਾਇਆ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ, ਇਸ ਲਈ ਓਥੋਂ ਦਾ ਇਤਿਹਾਸ ਭੀ ਕੋਈ ਪ੍ਰਚੱਲਤ ਨਹੀ ਸੀ, ਜਿਹੜਾ ਇਤਿਹਾਸ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਾ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਘਾਟ ਵੰਡਿਆ ਜਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ, ਮੈਂ ਉਹ ਪੜ੍ਹ ਕੇ ਸੁਣਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਹੇਮਕੁੰਟ ਵਲ ਜਾਂਦਿਆਂ ਰਸਤੇ ਵਿਚ ਇਹ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਪੜ੍ਹਿਆ।

ਦੂਜਾ ਸਵਾਲ - ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਸਮੇਂ ਬਰਨਾਲੇ ਦੀ ਪੇਸ਼ੀ ਬੰਦ ਕਮਰੇ ਵਿਚ ਹੋਈ ਸੀ ?

ਇਥੋਂ ਸਾਬਤ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਦੀ ਮਰਿਯਾਦਾ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਲਕੁਲ ਹੀ ਅਨਜਾਣ ਹੈ, ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਜ਼ਰੂਰ ਪਤਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਕਿ ਪੇਸ਼ੀ ਕਦੇ ਭੀ ਬੰਦ ਕਮਰੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੁੰਦੀ। ਪੇਸ਼ੀ ਹਮੇਸ਼ਾ ਸੰਗਤ ਦੇ ਸਾਹਮਣੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਤੇ ਹੀ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ। ਅਕਾਲੀ ਫੂਲਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਮੇਂ ਮਹਾਰਾਜਾ ਰਣਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਤੋਂ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਹੁਣ ਤਕ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਅਕਾਲੀ ਲੀਡਰਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਭੀ ਪੇਸ਼ੀਆਂ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਤੇ ਹੀ ਹੋਈਆਂ ਹਨ। ਮੇਰੇ ਸਮੇਂ ਭੀ ਬਰਨਾਲੇ ਦੀ ਪੇਸ਼ੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਦੀ ਮਰਿਯਾਦਾ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਉਤੇ ਹੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ, ਵਕਤ ਦੀ ਪੇਸ਼ੀ ਦੀ ਫੋਟੋ ਨਾਲ ਭੇਜ ਰਿਹਾ ਹਾਂ। ਮੇਰੇ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਾਲ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਬੂਟਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੀ ਪੇਸ਼ੀ ਭੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਉਤੇ ਸੰਗਤ ਦੇ ਸਾਹਮਣੇ ਹੀ ਹੋਈ। ਇਹ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ ਆਪ ਖੁਦ ਆਪਣੇ ਬਿਆਨ ਵਿੱਚ ਮੰਨਿਆ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਬੰਦ ਕਮਰੇ ਵਾਲੀ ਰਵਾਇਤ ਅਸੀਂ ਦਸ ਸਾਲ ਤੋਂ ਬਣਾਈ ਹੈ। ਕੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਦੀ ਮਰਿਯਾਦਾ ਭੰਗ ਕਰਕੇ ਆਪਣੀ ਮਰਜ਼ੀ ਦੀ ਬੰਦ ਕਮਰਾ ਮਰਿਆਦਾ ਲਾਗੂ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲਾ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਤੋਂ ਤਨਖਾਹੀਆ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ? ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਉਤੇ ਖਲੋਅ ਕੇ ਕੋਰਾ ਝੂਠ ਬੋਲਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਕਿ {ਪ੍ਰੋਫੈਸਰ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਉਤੇ ਪੇਸ਼ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋਇਆ} ਕੀ ਐਸੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ ਮੰਨਿਆ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ ?

ਸੱਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਰੂਪ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਦਰ ਦਾ ਕੂਕਰ,

ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਖਾਲਸਾ

ਸਾਬਕਾ ਸੇਵਾਦਾਰ, ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ

21 ਦਸੰਬਰ 2009

(ਜਥੇਦਾਰ) ਇਕਬਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਪਟਨਾਂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ ਪਤਨੀ ਪਾਸੋ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਕਰਤੂਤ ਸੁਣੋ

http://www.wakeupkhalsa.com/video-talkshows.php

Watch Giani Sawinder singh about chritropakhayan ( Anup Kaur)he recons it is belong to Guru Gobind singh ji, Is He telling the Truth?

http://www.wakeupkhalsa.com/video-talkshows.php#1

Have a look at WWW.wakeupkhalsa. com and watch Jagraj kaur interview and you will see all the names there

and what kind os sikh you are(RSS) or Thickhead asking for evidence when Gurugadi was given to SGGS, I can't give evidence on that because I was not there at that time but evidence itself is in SGGS

BANI GURU, GURU HAI BANI

And I am not interested in your RSS views anymore so don't bother to reply and this is my last one as well

Namastang Namastang Bhavani

Fateh!

Not this crap again.

Panthdardi = Kala Afghana Ki Fauj, part 2: The reincarnation.

These Kala Afghani Darshan Ragi followers play the same broken record over and over again, right down to incorrectly mentioning the same two distinct granths as being former names of Dasam Granth.

Mods, isn't it possible for someone to write responses to these repetitive arguments as a sticky so that we can just link these robots to the answers that have been given already to these same queries by Gursikhs on this forum?

Regards,

K.

and you lot playing the same old broken record as well, and I am not a Kala Afghana Fan. and calling other people with respect you only gain respect for yourself. all I am saying dasam granth should not be called SGDGS it is a disrespect to SGGS you lot calling yourself guru gobind singh ji supporters and same time not accecpting hi decision gurugadi is only given to SGGS

and so called sikhs doing DG Parkash doing Chower akhandpath and taking hukamnamas from it and still thinks that s not disrespect to SGGS.

The above is a lie. Please provide evidence.

Here the 7 names

Bachiter Natak

Smunder Sagar Granth

Vidya Sagar Granth

Dasam Granth

Dasam Patshah ka Granth

Sri Dasm Granth Sahib

Dasam

Sri Guru Granth Sahib

even if I agree with you on everything, does any sikh got a right to change the name and on the last one why dasam is in very small letters on top like trying to hide it and sri guru granth sahib in big letters below why somebody wants to do that when our guru is only one SGGS and no other granth should be given name Sri Guru we should not turn blind eye to this.

and also before gurdwaras freed from mahants in last century there used to be parkash of murties in darbar sahib and dasam granth used to be parkash on thakats at punjab, when gurdwaras freed by akali movement they removed the murties and stop the dasam granth parkash and you can still read panthik rehat maryada it clearley says Next to guru garanth no person, murti or granth can be parkashed do you agree with rehat maryada

For charitropakhayan discussions there is a separate section earmarked by administrator of this site where one is supposed to post his queries. This is the only way to control heretics who have no subject while discussing Dasam granth sahib. They hover from one topic to another just to sidetrack the serious discussion. This time i will reply your query here but next time post it in the relevant section.

Did you read the first verse of this charitra no 15 ( do not forget to quote the charitra Number). It says

katha Chatardas mantar bar nirp sau kahi bakhan

sunat reejh ke nirap rahe adhik diyo teh daan

( Like this The good Minister recited the fourteenth charitra to his king

Hearing this king got pleased and gave a lot of money to His minister)

And then read concluding part

It sri chartira pakhayane Triya charitre mantri Bhup-sambade

Pandarsom charitra samapat sat subham sat

( Here ends the the fifteenth charitra of charitropakhayan

a dialogue between Minister and his King)

So mr panth dardi it is a story being told by a minister to his king. How did you assume that it is an advice of Guru sahib to his sikhs?You people have to understand the art of story telling first before you comment on these charitras. There you need knowledge of literature which darshan singhias lack very badly.

The same nonsense Darshan singh is preaching to audience in various Gurudwaras about charitras without understanding that these are not real and is a dialogue between a Minister and his king. He has been told this. But he has no brain to understand this. This exposes inadequacy of his mental development. Had he been a gurmukh ( which he is not) he would have known this.His lies will be exposed soon and time will come when he will be shown the door.

Already Gursikhs are working to expose thuggery of this thug and we will have results soon.

Read below the booklet brought out by some Gursikhs of vancouver, BC.

Dasmesh Baani Tarak Mochan.pdf

Inder JI

Ok if that is not advice (Updesh) to the sikhs, then why people call sri dasam guru granth sahib when our guru SGGS gives us advice (updesh) in every shabad.

and I have not changed the topic, You guys dislike Prof Darshan Singh Ji because of Dasam Granth and you still have not awnsered my previous Question. I have watched Prof Darshan Singh live and videos many times he does not need any hand written script so please Jhoot na Bol Pandey Sach Kaheeaa

Panthdardi, that one salok in The Salok Mahalla 9 is by guru gobind singh ji and is a reply to the previous dohra by guru tegh bahadur ji which they uttered in delhi, it was to prove their was no difference between the 9th and 10th guru.

That is how the puraan saroops were. Ther Guru's Sikh who were directed under the guru to scribe the sri guru granth sahib did not make a mistake the sikhs of later generations made of the mistake of take the mahalla 10 out. Now it looks as if guru tegh bahadur ji contradict themselves from one dohra to the other

I think Both slokes are from Mahalla 9 and I agree 100% theris no difference all 10 Gurus. But if you look all the rehtnamas their views does not match sometimes, so sikhs can make mistake. but I am not arguing about that both shabads in SGGS and are our Guru. none of the Dasam Granth bani is in SGGS and Gurgadi given to SGGS only and Dasam granth's name changed 7 times in last 2 Centuries, Bachiter Natak was the first name and now they are calling Dasam sri guru granth Sahib,

and the danger is but will happen next 100 years will they take word dasam off and then they start gurugadi is given to this SGGS not this one.

He was always a traitor. While a jathedar of akal takhat he was hobnobbing with Shushil muni an agent of center. That is written in book " Open secrets" by MK Dhar.When sikh boys were being hounded in Punjab darshan singh was bootlicking enemies of sikhs.

Now he is name calling the banis that he sang all his life. he has not been able to understand the banis as he has limitations in comprehension because of a limited mental ability. These banis were sacred for him when he was making money by singing those. Now he is making money by playing into the hands of anti sikh elements.

If he does not believe in Dasam granth sahib, why does not leave panth. He will not do that unless he is kicked out with all other scycophants.Why do not you bring him to the seminar in November? We invite him for that.

Have you seen site of Gobin sadan. There is no translation of charitropakhayan.

Inder Ji, I think Gobind sadan took that off,But I did download the whole translation from their website last year and I still got it it is in PDF format I will look on the internet again if i find it Iwill post the link.

I think Prof darshan Singh ji done MA in Sangeet but on gurbani he has been searcher all his life and have more knowledge then any prof

Here is question for you

is this right

ਸਕਲ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਜੋ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਕੋ ਕਰਤ ਬਿਸਵਾਸ॥ ਸਾਤਿ ਦਿਵਸ ਭੀਤਰ ਤੁਰਤੁ ਹੋਤ ਤਵਨ ਕੋ ਨਾਸ॥ 11॥ ਜੋ ਨਰ ਕਾਹੂ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਕੋ ਦੇਤ ਆਪਨੋ ਚਿੱਤ॥ ਤਾ ਨਰ ਕੌ ਇਹ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਹੋਤ ਖੁਆਰੀ ਨਿੱਤ॥ 12॥ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਪੰਨਾ 829॥ ਇਸ ਜਗਤ ਵਿੱਚ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਵੀ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਇਸਤਰੀ ਤੇ ਵਿਸ਼ਵਾਸ਼ ਕਰੇਗਾ ਉਸ ਦਾ ਸੱਤਾਂ ਦਿਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਅੰਦਰ ਨਾਸ ਹੋ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ ਅਤੇ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਆਪਣੇ ਦਿਲ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਔਰਤ ਨੂੰ ਦੱਸੇਗਾ ਉਸਦੀ ਇਸ ਜਗਤ ਵਿੱਚ ਹਰ ਰੋਜ ਖੁਆਰੀ ਹੋਵੇਗੀ। ਦੱਸੋ ਔਰਤਾਂ ਦਾ ਕੀ ਕਰੀਏ?

or this right below

so kio ma(n)dhaa aakheeai jith ja(n)mehi raajaan in SGGS

and I can raise 101 questions where views SGGS and Dasam granth Does not Match

and Guru gobind singh ji's views were same as Guru Nanak that's why Gurgadi was given to SGGS

panth dardi have a look at the site ragmalagurbanihai.com and view the photo below. as you can see in the top of the laft hand panna, it says mahalla 10. it also states it in baba deep singh ji and bhai mani singh ji's birs.

http://www.ragmalagurbanihai.info/gallery/Fgallery2-6.jpg

Thanks sending that link, Ican see that but the shabad next to it is guru teg bahadur ji's which is in every SGSS Bir under Mahalla 9

as I said before, a sikh can make a mistake But not our Guru and gurgadi is given to SGGS

i think if you look at puratan birs of the guru granth sahib ji you will find mahalla 10 as well!

I don't think so and Which Puratan Bir?

No sikh ever said that SGGS is not our guru. Darshan singh makes up stories himself. These are proaganda tactics.

Whole panth is Dasam granth supporter as that is our second most sacred scripture. Till some time back Darshan singh himslef used to sing bani from Dasam granth. Why suddent change now and that too when he is above seventy years old.

Had you read Dasam granth you would not have written it as translation of markandey granth. It is not translation but selective portions are rewritten to bring those in line with sikh philosophy.

Yes I have read few chapters from Chritro pakhyan translation in punjabi provided by Gobind sadan sant Virsa Singh it is like reading dirty book I am Not arguing here if is written by Sri guru Gobind singh ji or not.Guru ji might be telling us this Gand is in hindu granths so be carefull of it.

My point is a sikh can make mistake but our guru is 100% Perfect and our tenth guru Added Guru Teg Bahadur's Bani to Guru Granth Sahib, Guru ji could added his own under Mahala 10 if he wanted to and gurugadi is only given to guru granth sahib and every sikh should respect that, we should not try to be wiser than guru.

There are few people who doing dasam granth parkash with guru granth sahib ji which Prof Darshan Singh Recons is disrespect to Guru granth Sahib Ji and I agree with it

Thsre are new dasam granths published with Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as a Title has anybody got a right to change the title Name? which has been changed 6 times

Dasam in small letters trying to hide it

It very much applies to him more than anybody else. He is disowning bani for which he was doing kirtan all his life.

Earned his living and made money out of that. At fag end of his life he is bad mouthing that Bani.

That clearly says that he is a sell out. The other word is traitor. I will use that word for him now.

He is definatley not atraitor, all he is saying Guru Granth Sahib Is Supreme and our Guru no other granth is equal to Sri guru granth sahib

evrn some people (Dasam Granth Supporters) recons some parts of this is translation of hindu granths like Markanda granth, so if we do not respect hindu granths why should its translation can be our guru that would be disrespect to Sri guru Granth Sahib