sikh_fauge

Thank you narsingha, nice post!

I guess I need to rephrase my question (because all the above posts have now made me think furthermore about what it is I should be doing as a sikh/to be called a sikh.)

Do we need to take amrit to be a sikh? Does this include charan-amrit? (apologies if thats incorrect)

Ive been reading a few books written by sants, and they all say amrit is what makes us sikh..sgpc of course have been saying this since day one..its kinda confusing..especially when i read sakhia of guru nanak dev ji (who didnt put emphasis on physical things, well to my understanding.)

Rakash singh, ur 100% right.

There is no doubt that ego made me do this..and im not ashamed to admit this, but its deeper than that..theres alot of reasons to why ive done this. To pigeon-hole it as me wanting to look more attractive would be too black and white..and my decision to do this, was far from black and white.

The fact that im posting this on sikhawareness means, to an extent, i have regretted what ive done..but as ive mentioned, and as sukhi touched on, its been more because of how people see me, rather than how i feel inside!

Okay maybe i need to rephrase this, is it really of any significance for a non khalsa sikh to keep the kesh??

I kinda know where your coming from sexy singh.

The only thing i would say is this..dont intentionally hurt someones sentiments..and since cheating on your wife would most definitely crush her (and might even push her to do the same) dont go there!

thank u for ur post bro!

Gurfateh,

Is the kesh really that important to non khalsa sikhs?

I recently cut my beard..and i dont feel bad..ive come to the conclusion that its not my conscious which has been blown, but the ideal which so many people have thrown at me since ive been into sikhism that hair is an essential part of sikhi, which has been broken. And that is why i feel, to an extent, ashamed..but spiritually, i feel no different..i dont feel as if my love, or indeed the gurus love, for me has changed.

Can i have some input into kesh for non khalsa sikhs..thanks!

(thanks for that moderator)

India looks beautiful in that first pic (the one with the two singhz playing with the stix)

i use to be against the whole culture thing..but the truth is, to an extent, it made me who iam..thats why id find it easier to marry a non relegious punjabi, than a non relegious white girl, for e.g.

init amrik..imagine that..i reckon all that pagri=alot of weight, which means alot of force, well enough to knock someone out!

I agree sukhi, but when you spend x ammount of years seeing someone as a sister, then it doesnt matter about blood. She is still a sister. I find it difficult to swallow how a woman can be a sister in law (bhabi) one minute, and then a sexual partner (for whatever reason) the next.

Againt, this is my opinion it doesnt mean those misal cheifs were any less gursikh, its just something i couldnt do.

i love going to nanaksar gurudwarai..such a peaceful, politics free atmosphere

akali sodhi bruv..i love u man..and rakash..infact all my singh homies..but u know how it is with uni..second year..mash up (basically ive rurned into a nerd lol)

i dunno..i use to get my bhabhaji to cut my hair

its not chit chat guys..think about it..how can sex be wrong if its actually good for the body??

surely it cant be that bad..and i agree with neo, sex should be controlled not completely destroyed..how else would we have kids??!!!

seriously, there are so many "apneh" who are not so nice people..bad apples exist everywhere..it sounds cheesy but its so true..heres a great example, the wonderful "SP" aka "shere" punjab in the uk..they like helping gurls from the clutches of muslim guys..but guess what?? most of them end up screwing them over themselves! wonderful isnt it!

i think fearless warrior, in essence is right..but brother, first we need to sort out our own community..it seems we're the ones doing the most damage! how we do do it..i dunno

so true. if the money really is for the gurudwaras upkeep, why dont they stop taking donations after they have broke-even?? i.e. paid all the bills.

obviously these green card hungry chimps just want mo cheese i.e. money.

and thats why we dont see projects to serve the homeless or hungry..or indeed any youth projects..instead the money goes towards brand new mercs or extended kitchens

let me add, i have this friend who wants only a turbaned guy. she has this idea that singhz are all great. which is obviously not true, but i dnt tell her that lol

on a serious note, i beleive that people in general need to stop assuming things..assuming all turbaned guys are great..assuming that no gurls find turbaned guys attractive..assuming that takshal and nihangs hate one another

My mistake,it might not be incest in the sense of bloodline, but for me its still kinda incest when youve seen someone as a sister for so long, and end up sleeping with her.

Beast, as far as im aware (i'll read up tonight) certain cheifs did actually have children/sexual relations with their bhabijis (after the brothers death.)

i would have to agree with number two.

^ lol know what your getting. so true

Think about it pheena, your brother gets married. You view his wife as a sister obviously. You get use to calling her bhabiji. Then bham! He dies. You decide to marry her so she isnt alone. Fair enough. But then you sleep with her/start having sexual relations. Isnt that incest? Maybe it was a trend amonst the misal cheifs because they were like royalty, but in any case, its not something i personally agree with/can comprehend (again its my opinion, doesnt mean im right or wrong.)

Me thinks sex can be a good thing.

Its also a great exercise cardio vascular exercise (which means, for all you langar eating laloos) that you burn fat (or at least have a healthy heart, free of excess cholesteral.)

I use to hate the image bolloywood portrated of sikhs.

But consider this, we make up 2% of the population in india.

Kinda nice to know we mean that much to them that they have to place us in most of their films (when i say their, im talking from a punjabi point of view..and to me, bollywood=dehli)

Its clever. I think the positioning of the golak is to emotionally blackmail the devotee into thinking that if they dont place money infront of the guru, the guru will somehow banish them to hell.

Clever granthis.

honestly, i kept my kesh because i was always fascinated with guru jis roop. i thought pagria looked beautiful. still do