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Giani Thakur Singh Ji talking about sounds heard during Simran and other experiences.

Satbachan ji ..we need to find if Taksalis do it ..not sure on that ..I listen to Baba Thakursingh's vachans and find him more of a Puratan mindset.

I have scanned in the entire bala janamsakhi myself since the other versions pages were too troublesome to correct for my purposes here you go higher resolution scan

http://www.scribd.com/doc/207902385/Bhai-Bala-Wale-Janam-Sakhi-Guru-Nanak-Dev-Ji

Thanks Jeo must have taken a long time. Good job for the hard work.

I'm posting this up for the writer who has put up his ebook for proofreading and general reading purposes:

Vahiguru ji ka Khalsa Vahiguru ji ki fateh! With Guru ji's kirpa this my first edition of the Hanūmān Nāṭak, the second edition will contain the transliteration, and the third a translation. I have been painstakingly typing this text over the years, its about 380 pages now. I have proof read it, but I am sure there are mistakes, so if you find any please be kind enough to send me a message with the details. Last night was a long night, like much of the week, as I was up till 6 am proof reading and checking the text of Hanūmān Nāṭak for mistakes! Many thanks to Indy Saggu for his help.

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1. What is Hanūmān Nāṭak?

The Hanūmān Nāṭak is a play about Ram Chandra written in verse by the poet Hirdaya Ram Bhalla.

2. Guru Gobind Singh and the Hanūmān Nāṭak

In 1679 the Guru installed a huge kettledrum called the ‘Ranjīt Nagāṛā’ which was beaten every morning and evening. Then every evening with the beat of drum the Guru would go hunting. The following year he issued hukamnāme asking the sangat to make offerings of books, horses, and weapons. One of the first books Guru Gobind Singh fell in love with was the famous Hanūmān Nāṭak by Hirdaya Ram Bhalla given to him by Bhai Nand Lal. It is a vigorous work full of bīr ras (warrior spirit), with expert use of Sanskritised Braj Bhasha, containing a total of fourteen chapters. It also contains knowledge of shastravidiā (martial arts), battle tactics, and extols the virtue of loyalty.

3. The Dasam Granth Sahib and Hanūmān Nāṭak

Infact to credit the poet genius of Hirdaya ‘Ram’ Bhalla, the Guru preserved the pen-name of as Ram in the passages of the Dasam Granth Sahib that sound and read the same as the Hanūmān Nāṭak. In Indian poetry the use of a pen-name or takhallus was so common that today large dictionaries of pseudonyms exist. As the Hanūmān Nāṭak was presented to the Tenth Guru before he wrote the bulk his Granth.

4. Hanūmān Nāṭak and the Pre-colonial Education System in the Punjab

Gurmukhi schools were run by the village Gurdwaras or Dharmsalas. The syllabus according to contemporary accounts, and still found in the samaprada, comprises of the Balopadesa, the Panj Granthī, the Janamsākhī, Hanūmān Nāṭak and Bachitra Nāṭak.

5. The Buddha Dal and Hanūmān Nāṭak

When I first met the Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa leader, Jathedar Akali Nihang Baba Santa Singh 96 Crori, I was well aware of the numerous copies of the Hanūmān Nāṭak in manuscript collections, and references to it in Sikh history. He told me that this work was taught to a student before the santhiā of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. This makes perfect sense as manuscript evidence shows that Bhai Rattan Singh Bhangu Shahid, learnt this epic from an unbroken lineage originating back the the Guru’s Court. Later on after doing some basic training in shastravidiā with various Ustads in the Panjab, I also came to learn that this work contained battle tactics, as well as some verses that were recited during duels, and in training. There is a paintra to use with heavy weapons in shastravidiā which came from the Hanuman Akhara, which also involves breaks, locks, and powerful blows, which was later modified by Baba Katorh Singh. The Hanūmān Nāṭak is also read in the Dam Dami Taksal, Sewapanthi, Nirmala, and Udasi Sampradas.

6. Complete Text of Hanūmān Nāṭak by Hirdaya Ram Bhalla

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/205998072/Hanuman-Natak-in-Gurmukhi-by-Hirdaya-Ram-Bhalla

Bhai Kahn SIngh Nabha wrote a commentary on Hanuman Natak called Natak Bhavarth Dipika (1888).

nahi veer ji . I am not hearing anything. However other emotions are getting intense. For example,old childhood memories are popping up a lot, they create a feeling of nostalgia and can be distracting sometimes. or sometimes mind feels lonely/depressed. Then I have to read spiritual books/katha etc to bring it back to reality, its a constant tug of war. Hopefully this phase will pass away soon and can move on to more Anand in Bhagti.

Gurfeteh

Singhji its great that old memories are coming back, its a sign of spirtual progress. The deep rooted filth of the mind is being removed.

ਮੰਨੁ ਧੋਵਹੁ ਸਬਦਿ ਲਾਗਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਰਹਹੁ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥

Mann Dhhovahu Sabadh Laagahu Har Sio Rehahu Chith Laae ||

Wash your mind by attaching it to the Shabad, and keep your consciousness focused on the Lord.

39414 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੧੯ ਪੰ. ੧੧

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

Also the emotions and feelings that are dancing for your attention are there only to distract you from Simran. The best way to overcome them is not to keep getting sucked into them by simply ignoring them, the more you ignore them the less power they will have over you.

Sometimes I listen to tanpura while doing path or listen to zen/flute/chinese music while doing moolmantar, its temporarily soothing or calming but not sure if its appropriate. what are your thoughts about this?

Remember the mind is tricky and is always looking to distract you from what you really need to do.

ਦੁਖੁ ਕਲੇਸੁ ਨ ਭਉ ਬਿਆਪੈ ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਹੋਇ ॥

Dhukh Kalaes N Bho Biaapai Gur Manthra Hiradhai Hoe ||

Suffering, agony and fear do not cling to one whose heart is filled with the GurMantra.

2065 ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮ: ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੫੧ ਪੰ. ੪

Sri Raag Guru Arjan Dev

Gurfeteh

Yes thank you Singhji always great to hear Baba Ji.

Kadhur sahib was built by Sri guru angad dev ji

Goindwal Sahib was built by Sri guru amar das Ji

Taran Taraan Sahib was built by Sri guru Arjan dev Ji

Kartarpur sahib(this one was built in jalhandar) was built by Sri guru Arjan dev Ji

Sri hargobindpur was built by Sri guru Arjan dev Ji

Kiratpur sahib was built by Sri guru hargobind sahib Ji

Anadpur sahib was built by Sri guru tegh bahadur sahib Ji

Paunta Sahib was built by Sri guru gobind Singh Ji.

Hope this answers your question.

All the places you mentioned are cities laid out by the Gurus. I mean did the Gurus build a physical place other then Darbar Sahib were it was just for Sangats, katha and keertan building.

Kartarpur and Anandpur was where the Gurus lived but after them Gurdwaras were built over the sites.

Gurfeteh

During the times of the Gurus only Harimander Sahib was built as a Gurdwara. The rest of the places was where satsang was held and (maharaj) ranjit singh started to build Gurdwaras on places where the Gurus had visited or held Satsang, but before that was there Gurdwaras other then Darbar Sahib.

so you think only PHs follow Sikhi is some form who were or are subservient to Sikhs at some stage? why it is limited to PHs...SGPC or your fiery katha vachaks or youtube 'intellectuals' (not!) like Sukhpreet Udhoke can answer this.

Also, as they are the same, why not stick to the older version? the sanatan version is has something for everyone, much more liberal, much more inclusive, much more ...colourful why do we need Sikhism in the first place?

Here is a book that might help you out. Swami Ram Tirath Dandi Sanyasi were a learned Sanskrit Scholar and highly respected Hindu theologian, who later converted to Sikhism in his final years. You can read more about the Mahapurash ji on SikhiWiki: http://www.sikhiwiki...h_Dandi_Sanyasi

http://www.scribd.com/doc/67135918/Sarbottam-Dharam-Khalsa-Panth-Swami-Ram-Tirath-Dandi-Sanyasi

About Sikhi borrowing from Sanatan traditions in totality, i would ask you one simple question, what in Sikhi is new, something which was not mentioned in earlier sanatan religious texts or oral traditions?

I dont know why you keep coming back to this. There is only one Dharm. It doesnt have a name hindu or sikh. Overtime it gets corrupted and avatars, gurus have to come back to re-estamblish it. What sikhs are saying is sikhi is the re-established orginal Dharam not new, because the hindus or some branches have taken the avatars as the True God. They have started to worship them instead of God.

Bachittar Natak goes deeply into this, i think maybe that Bani will help to answer your questions.

I believe Sunn is when one loses connection with the body almost like sleep and enters a very deep state of meditation.

thanks for correcting me Sat Ji thats right. What probably he experienced was sahaj for couple of seconds. Remember were all learning here forgive me.

Yesterday as I was listening to kirtan very intently my mind sort of went blank the only thing that was in my mind was the kirtan everything else was dead it only lasted less than 5 seconds but felt very good there was also a warmth in my chest area as this was going on. Was there any spiritual significance behind this or do you guys think it was only my brain playing tricks on me has this happened to any of you?

This might be what in spirtual books is called the state of Sahaj. This is what is suppose to happen when are thoughts stop bothering us. When we do Simran, we focus on the Gurmantar only after sometime going into that state becomes easy, because thoughts are creating all the noise in the mind. When the thoughts stop the mind is in a state of peace.

This state will help you to advance in Bhagti even more because focusing on the Gurmanter will become easy.

I dont know if this is what you experienced but maybe will give you an idea.

Post has been corrected.

it was not against the traders or industrialists, the Anandpur Sahib resolution was about Panjab having more control over its waters, which concerned the jats/farmers.

The way the book preasents it is that the akali dal is the party of the sikhs as said in the anandpur sahib resoultion.

for instance when it came to having a punjabi suba the akali dal wanted punjabi as the main language and Gurmukhi as the script. the book says that punjabi was the most spoken language but not written in Gumukhi it was written in the urdu script as well as hindi. So thats why the goverment wanted hindi as punjab's main language. The government said the akalis were trying to put sikh demands on the whole of punjab. but the akali dal claimed the goverment was trying to marginalize the sikhs.

This was the thinking of the rightwing Hindus, to taint any genuine political movement as being sectarian, anti-hindu etc.

the Anandpur Sahib resolution was for the benefit of Panjab, not just the Sikhs, and in turn would have benefitted the whole country. But because it was the SIKHS who were behind the demand, it had to be anti-hindu for some reason in their sick hindutva minds. You can see the what they are like from this forum in recent weeks.

In the book Tully claims the Anandpur Sahib resoulution was for the benefit of the akali dal not the whole punjab. more specially the jats which supported the dal.

Page 47

"in fact only one section of the sikh communtity has consistently supported the akali dal the jat caste of peasant farmers ...the anandpur sahib resolution is so heavily biased in favour of the farmers and against the traders and industrialists"

Bhai Jaita Ji’s name shines in Sikh history, he made a great sacrifice for the panth. In the dark days of persecution when all Hindus and Sikhs were forcibly being converted it was Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji’s ultimate sacrifice that stemmed the tide of man’s inhumanity to man. As Guru Ji’s “sees” lay separated from Guru Ji’s body at Chandni Chawk, Delhi nobody had the guts to come forward and claim them. It was with great bravery that Bhai Jaita Ji plucked up the courage and wrapped Guru Ji’s ‘sees’ and under cover of darkness and with great difficulty on the long journey took it to Guru Gobind Rai at Anandpur Sahib. From that day forward, blessed by the tenth Guru , Bhai Jaita Ji remained in Guru Ji’s service distinguishing himself as a great warrior. He fought alongside Guru Ji in many battles and was finally martyred at Chamkaur Sahib. His loyalty and devotion to Guru Ji is unquestionable. Not only was he a great warrior, but in the tradition of sant-sapahi he was also a great poet and writer.

He wrote Siri Gur Katha granth which remained hidden from the panth through the turmoil after the ascension of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Maybe this was a good thing as many a valuable writing has been lost over the centuries due to the turbulent times the Sikhs faced. Even today most of the Sikhs are unaware of its existence. Bhai Sahib wrote much more but it is believed that due to wars and persecution most of the compositions were lost. What remained stayed in the family of a Gursikh.

Luckily, what remained is perhaps the most crucial information Sikhs need today. In the document Siri Gur Katha, Bhai Sahib wrote eye witness accounts of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji’s Shaheedi, description of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, account of wars fought, and most importantly the first Amrit Sanchaar in 1699. It also highlights rehat and kurehats and some very fundamental beliefs of Gurmat which many of the Sikhs today hesitate to accept.

Here is a summary of some points highlighted by Bhai Jaita Ji:

1) There is no one equal to Guru Sahib throughout ages. Following Gurmat will bring salvation.

2) “Waheguru” is gurmantar. A Sikh should always recite this.3) Sikhs are not to lie, slander, eat tobacco, eat kuttha, smoke, drink, commit adultery, and

follow brahmanical rituals.

4) Piercing is forbidden.

5) Always remember Waheguru and be prepared to fight for Dharam.

6)Help everyone who comes to you.

7) Realize that everyone is the child of Waheguru. Reject caste system.

8) Always wear Shastars without which one is a jackal.

9) Never cut or trim hair.

10) Always greet everyone with Fateh.

11) Do not wear “Laal Sooha” and “Nasvaar” clothes.

12) Always do sangat of Gursikhs. Do not intermingle with patits.

13) Worship only Akal Purakh.

14) Always eat the food prepared by Amritdharis.

15) Accept everything as will of Waheguru.

16) Five Kakkars are Kes, Kangha, Kara, Kirpan and Kachera.

17) Always wear dastaar on the head.

Bhai Jaita Ji whose credentials are impeccable writes clearly that the prayers recited at the creation of the Khalsa were Jap Ji, Jaap Sahib, Swayia, Benti Chaupai and Anand Sahib.

I have heard so much about this granth 'Siri Gur Katha granth' by Bhai Jaita Ji It was even used in the Dasam Granth debate can someone kindly give me a link to this granth so i can read it

Gurfeteh

recently been reading this book and certainly have changed some of my views on what happened in 84 basically the book says that it had more to do with politics. Many issues it claims were political but turned into religious because of the Akali Dal.

the book is very harsh toward Sant Ji and Sikhs.

Has anyone else read it and what do you think of it.

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for the following rare books. If anyone has any information please let me know:

Mysticism: The Spiritual Path by Prof. Lekh Raj Puri

Teachings of the Gurus - Series 1 to 4 (As given in Adi Granth) By Prof. Lekh Raj Puri, M.A., P.E.S.

If i remember correctly Prof. Lekh Raj Puri is Radhaswami and his son now is a Radhaswami Guru.

1. the politicians of congress party, Arya Samaj leadership and Narakdharis are the one who wanted him eliminated because his parchar exposed their lies and was awakening the Sikh nation.

But why send in the army why make a big scene and draw attention to the event even more. Why didnt they use the local police and why did the army trycutting the food that was going in so everybody had to come out.

Also what did Sant Ji do that made the politicans go after him.

These are my questions

1.why did they want Sant Ji arrested

2. Sant ji was preaching inside Darbar Sahib why did his man start to build bunkers.

3. Why send the army why not surround Darbar Sahib and cut all the food going in.

to prepare for the attack by the Indian Army.

But why were the indian army going to attack Darbar Sahib. Is it because Sant Ji was in there. If they were going to attack Sant Ji why did they need the army.

Sangat Ji i had a question in my mind for a while. Basically Sant Ji was staying in Darbar Sahib before 1984 but what i dont understand is why then did Sant Ji and his men start to fortify Darbar Sahib what was the reason?

The ego is hard to destroy, hope someone finds this helpful

1. The ego controls all thinking.
2. The ego can create an argument against anything.
3. Therefore, reserve all arguments against what is being presented here until you
have read the book at least three times.
4. Otherwise, the ego will generate arguments against any anti-ego presentation,
thus blocking what is being presented.
5. See the vicious circle:
6. The ego in its attempts to block the ego from being exposed for the imposter
that it is, and to block the realization that the ego is the cause of all human
sorrow and suffering, creates arguments against what is being revealed in this
book.
7. Because the ego sets the standards for the debate, the ego always wins the
debate.
8. The way to break that vicious circle is to delay all arguments against what is
being presented here until you have read the book very slowly at least three
times.
9. When the ego forms an argument against what is being presented in this book,
see the argument as an ego preservation strategy and ignore it, delaying all
argument until the presentation is complete.
10.Having the motivation to understand, instead of to argue, will help to produce an
insight into what is being presented here.
11. Put the arguments on hold until you have read the book at least three times.
12.By that time you may be so skilled at recognizing the ego’s preservation
strategies, you may decide to delay the arguments forever.
13.At least give what is being presented here a fair chance by being aware of the
arguments that the ego creates and disregarding those arguments until an
insight into what is being presented here is awakened.
14.Plenty of time to argue later, after you have read the entire book.
15.The ego has been deceiving humans for as long as there have been humans.
16.Be aware of when the ego is trying to deceive you.
17.The ego controls all thinking, therefore, various combinations of thoughts,
ideas, beliefs, and opinions are the ego’s primary tools to preserve the ego’s
imaginary “self” and to prevent you from discovering your true Self.
18.Most humans live their entire lives without ever having observed the
background of awareness.
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19.Therefore, whatever opinions most people have about what the background of
awareness is, what are its qualities, what is the true Self, etc., have no basis.
20.If you observe the background of awareness for many hours everyday for a
number of years, then you will eventually know that your awareness is: infinite-
eternal-awareness-love-bliss.
21.Because most humans spend their entire lifetime looking outward at thoughts,
the body, the world, people, places, things, etc., most humans have never even
once observed their own awareness, not even for one second, in their entire
lifetime.
22.What is important are not concepts, beliefs or conclusions. What is important is
Direct Experience.
23.Be aware of your thoughts, ideas, beliefs and opinions and see how they are
serving the ego.
24.See Chapter One for a clarification of the difference between the ego and the
true Self.
25.What is being presented here in this book is a practical guide to Direct
Experience, not some theory for intellectual entertainment.
26.Because the ego is afraid of ending, the ego directs and creates thoughts,
ideas, concepts, beliefs and opinions that will help the ego to continue its illusion
of being real and to prevent it from being brought to an end.
27.Those concepts are ego preservation strategies. Those concepts are the ego’s
tricks.
28.Because thoughts can be combined in trillions of combinations, the ego can
create trillions of preservation strategies.
29.The ego has the ability to hide what it is doing from itself.
30.The ego can be creating preservation strategies throughout the day and you
may not be aware that the ego has been creating preservation strategies
throughout the entire day.
31.If you are not aware of how the ego preserves its imaginary self, then the ego
succeeds in preserving its imaginary self.
32.One of the purposes of this book is to look in detail at how the ego preserves
its imaginary self.
33.If one million people study a spiritual teaching and only one of those people ends
the ego illusion, why did the other nine hundred ninety-nine thousand, nine
hundred and ninety-nine miss the opportunity?
34.The reason the other nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred and
ninety-nine missed the opportunity is because of the ego’s fear of ending.
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35.Due to the ego’s fear of ending, the ego creates strategies to preserve its
imaginary self.
36.Distorting the teachings is one of the many strategies the ego has to preserve
its imaginary self.
37.That applies to the teachings in the book you are now reading and to other
spiritual teachings.
38.Right from the beginning, the ego’s preservation strategies have to be dealt
with, otherwise the ego would block out what is being presented here in this
book.
39.Then, instead of being an extraordinary journey, this would be just one more
failed attempt.
40.The ego’s preservation strategies can be brought to an end and we will look at
how to do that in this book.
41.Usually any mention of exposing the ego’s preservation strategies makes the ego
run the other way.
42.To be willing to look at the ego’s preservation strategies is a sign of spiritual
maturity.
43.Most people are not willing to look at the ego’s preservation strategies.
44.Reading a book that reveals some of the ego’s preservation strategies does not
make one immune to them.
45.One of the ego’s preservation strategies is the thought “This does not apply to
me”.
46.The ego is very tricky and deceptive in all humans. The ego is a liar in all humans.
The ego lies to its imaginary self.
47.Therefore, when something is pointed out in this book and you think “This does
not apply to me”, take a second look.
48.Maybe it does apply to you and the ego is blocking that fact out, as a
preservation strategy.
49.Challenge the thought “This does not apply to me”.
50.The thought “This does not apply to me” may be an ego preservation strategy.
51.One of the differences between the one out of a million who awakens and the
nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine who do not, is the
ability to stay focused on an essential point until it becomes an insight and a
tool that you can use.
52.The fact that the intellect understands what is written here is not enough.
53.The book you are now reading is filled with the insights that lay the foundation
to be the one who awakens and not one of the nine hundred ninety nine thousand
nine hundred ninety-nine who miss.
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54.Dwell on what is written in every sentence in every chapter until an insight is
awakened that becomes a tool you can use.
55.To awaken insight, don’t read what is written like you were reading a newspaper
or a book of trivia, and don’t read for the purpose of gathering information.
56.To awaken insight, read as though you were reading instructions about how to
fly that are vital so that you do not crash.
57.Slowly reflect on each line

found this interesting video that might tie with why a sikh wears a kara, metal bracelet. It might have a conntection with when you go deep in mediation. Listen to the whole video espeaically towards the end.

This is a interesting section from a book that is very relevant, so please read all

people may also find this book helpful answers many questions on spirtual problems

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51823424/Simran-Mehima-Raghbir-Singh-Bir-in-Punjabi