Mission_Impossible

Please take no offence...

If Sikhi is true Dharma then why is it that Sikhs are alienated from the country of their origin ?

Errr, because about 60% of it is in Pakistan and the rest 40% is in 'India'. I assume you are talking about Panjab, right? Or are you not Panjabi?

Cant Sikhs be called Hindus (I mean natives of Hindustan.) ?

Since when is a Panjabi a 'native of Hindustan'?, he/she is always a native of Panjab. :roll:

Why are we agitated if we are called Hindus...

Because we are not Hindus, that's why, otherwise what's wrong with being called Jews or even Muslim? :roll:

by claiming ourselves to be original hindus don't you think sikhs would eliminate identity crisis they found themselves to be in...

What planet are you living on? What identity crisis? Most Sikhs I have met are proud Panjabis? What are you? A Tamil or something? :roll:

PS : By Hindus I mean natives of a place called Hindustan...

OK, listen, I don't know where you learned your history but if you are a Panjabi, you have never been a 'native of Hindustan', such a place has never existed prior to 1947, and it is actually known as 'India'. This is a British invention, it has never been an actual country with one people or one race. If you are not a Panjabi then I apologise if I offended you.

Kind Regards,

MI

I made two people listen the suleman ghost. They were brother-sisters They were very shocked the sister got veyr scared and woke up twice at night, not much effect on the brother, but they are doubting with me the authenticaty of the tape and they want to get more information on it. Does anyone has more information on the tape. I want to know, it is a tape that is shocking many ppl and pluse these pp dont believe in amrit, they are sikhs but they think of it as a ritual.

Yawwwwwn, I listened to that tape at 12 midnight on Halloween, the voice was a little freaky, but I wasn't scared as I don't believe in such nonsense, I just wanted a bit of a laugh really, that's the great thing about being a Scientist, I don't take any notice of BS. (And I am not talking about Baldev Singh! )

What I am trying to say is that, even if Ghosts exist, WHO CARES?

Kind Regards

MI

I don't know why some of you talk about that fake country "India", most of you are fair Panjabis and not black Hindu "Indians". Personally, "India" can kiss my as*! Sikhs can marry who ever they want to but it must remain a Sikh household in my opinion. My GF is Afghan Muslim, but she is quite liberal and has agreed that our kids will be raised as Sikhs, that's all that counts to me. My grandfather wanted them to be raised as Christians coz he's a preacher! (Yeah right!) I don't think he takes my conversion to Sikhism very seriously! lol

Kind Regards,

MI

I watched dis program and i tink it was called, "The Theory of Everthing". In da program it talked about String theory, and i bet other religious groups will hav a problem believeing in dis.

Dey said dat each string has a different type of unique sound which is da energy source of atoms. And each different sound makes different types of matter.

And after watching dat program, i now feel dat our Gurus' hav seen these multiple worlds e.g. Strings, Atoms etc, even b4 science did in da age of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

I luv Science, i've been faciented by science since i was a child, i would hav been studing science instead of computing if i had spend more time in studying @ high skool.

Wots ur view on String theory?

Bro, I know the programme you're talking about, I wanted to see it myself but did not get to the UK on time... My cousin was talking to me about it. I will try and read up on it some more and answer you shortly, just really busy right now. SGGS does mention something about string theory, I will let you know, all the other religions are BS!

Kind Regards,

MI

P.S. I am glad you like Science, it is the truth and in agreement with Sikhism (higher truth, God's truth)...

About Indira Gandhi

She was a HO!

Kind Regards,

MI

ummm if Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji was able to have 3 wives, why do people have such a big deal with Guru Gobind Singh Ji having three also? :roll:

As far as I know, the Gurus only ever had one wife each, I don't know who told you about Guru Hargobind having 3 wives but it is false. He only had one wife. If you wish to contest this matter please provide proof for your assertion, and I mean some real evidence, not what some "baba" at the local Punjabi restaraunt told you, while drinking his "lassi".

we were told in the sangat that there are three seperate "jaggas" as in ashes grave in india for all three wives (By katha vachak Sant Hari Singh of randhava) and I will visit one day, have u seen them?

I'm not sure though..... :shock:

There are no such places, most people just talk out of ignorance, or invent such things (RSS/VHP) to discredit Sikh Gurus and Sikhism. I wouldn't ever believe such things without concrete proof...

Kind Regards,

MI

since when is science the yard stick to decide if our Gurus are right?

Science is not the yard stick to decide if our Guru's are right, it is used to understand true reality as we percieve it with our five senses. Whose talking about the Guru's being right? Please read something properly before commenting.

How can relative laws

What are relative laws? The laws of Physics are ABSOLUTE, they are God's laws. Do not comment blindly on something when you do not know what is being implied or posses sufficent knowledge.

be a yard stick for the Absolute... :evil:

Who's talking about measuring God? :roll:

Kind Regards,

MI

Sikhism is a scientific religion, cloning is OK, but the cloned child must be considered first. Once cloning becomes a standard practice like say "IVF" or "test tube babies" then Sikhism would see it as normal. Also, abortion in it's current state is NOT OK with Sikhism. Once abortion has been perfected and they can dispose of the embryo at cell stage, Sikhism should have no problem with it. Abortion is bad currently because these losers actually kill a LIVING child. In the early stages of pregnancy there is no child, just a bunch of cells which later develop in to an embryo and then in to a child. Discarding these cells is not killing a living child. Also, no one is "playing God", the Sikh concept of God is so far ahead that we would litterally have to create a whole new universe in order to "play" God!!! Only the Christians and Muslims talk like that because cloning proves their religions to be false!

KR,

MI

I don't know much about these guys but God bless them for defending innocent Sikhs and Sikhism!

Kind Regards,

MI

More and more Muslim women are becoming educated, they know the difference between the truth (Sikhism) and BS (Islam). Many of them marry out (I personally know 3 of them married to Sikhs) and stay out for good. My girl is an Afghan Muslim, but she doesn't care about Islam, she knows it's all crazy 7th century tribal Arab BS...

Kind Regards,

MI

P.S. It would be fair to say that Muslims in general are sick of Islam because they know the evil truth which is truly shocking: http://www.faithfreedom.org - Have a look at what Islam is really about, sources from their own Koran and Hadith. ISLAM = TERRORISM!

"There will be a time when the Khalsa shall forget the teachings I have given them. Sikhi will only be left in name. Many Wars shall occur."

How sad! Bro's it's happening now! Look around you, the Khalsa has become a ritual! Now you don't have to be a good person or meditate on naam or be enlightend, just walk in and take Amrit, become a Khalsa (in name only, not spirit) and then struggle to keep this ideal identity until one day you just give up and blame Sikhism for your own faults! The person who is truly enlightend never has to "resist" because he/she would simply ignore all negative influences! For example, no matter how poor I am, I do not have to "resist" temptation to rob someone, I just ignore such thoughts because I am enlightend enough to know I am not going to do it! Such thoughts have no effect on me, PERIOD! When one is a true Khalsa, praying, doing good, not having urges to cut your hair or impress the ladies is something which becomes "natural", you don't have to work at it, do you see what I mean? Just like I won't steal from someone, in the same way, a TRUE Khalsa will not have such negative thoughts, because through meditation on Naam, he/she has cleaned his mind, body and soul of such impurities... If you are still having to "resist" worldy temptations like drinking, smoking, cutting hair etc. then there is something seriously wrong and one is not a true Khalsa (Enlightend Sikh), as he/she has not conquered the 5 demons! (Anger, greed etc.) Please think about this...

Kind Regards,

MI

THE SIKHS DO NEED A KHALISTAN OR FREE PUNJAB FOR THE SAFEGUARD OF SIKHS AND SIKHISM! DO NOT LET 1984 HAPPEN AGAIN, WHERE THE "INDIAN" HINDUS DESTROYED 80% OF OUR HOLY HISTORY!!! THEY MADE A JOKE OUT OF SIKHS AND SIKHISM WORLDWIDE CALLING THEM ALL TERRORISTS! THEY MAKE FUN OF SIKHS AND SPREAD ANTI-SIKH MESSAGES ON THEIR MEDIA, THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF UNJUSTIFIED "JOKES" ABOUT SIKHS! THEY HATE SIKHS AND SIKHISM AND WANT TO DESTROY IT, THEY ARE JEALOUS BECAUSE SIKHISM IS THE BEST RELIGION, THEY ARE IN DANGER OF LOSING THEIR CONTROL OF 500 MILLION LOW-CASTES WHO WOULD BECOME SIKH TOMORROW IF GIVEN THE CHANCE! DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THAT THEY ARE ON YOUR SIDE? THE DAY THE LAST SIKH IS DEAD (GOD FORBID) THEY WILL BE THE FIRST ONES TO DANCE IN THE STREETS! REMEBER 1984! GOD BLESS THE SHAHEEDS! NEVER FORGET! FIGHT FOR YOUR RELIGION AND FREEDOM NOW!

Why dont sikhs fight for an independent Kashmir?

Firstly, it's not the Sikh's problem, the Kashmiri's should fight for themselves, also how can Sikhs help them (if they wanted to) when they can't even defend themselves? When there was Sikh Raj in Punjab (in the 1800's), the Kashmiri's were liberated by the Sikhs (Maharaja Ranjit Singh). However, Sikhs have no power anymore, they are merely a small part of the fraud "Indian" Union, so they can't help anyone YET, even themselves. They need a FREE PUNJAB, otherwise they are doomed to be swallowed up by Hinduism (assimiliation!). Hindus are very clever, they have already fooled most Sikhs into thinking they are all "Indians", the same people, culture etc. when they are clearly not. The next step is to enocourage inter-marriage, as well as flood the media with stupid images of Sikhs and great images of Hindus. For example, in the film, "Mission Kashmir", a Sikh soldier is shown "pissing his pants" in fear! Can you believe that? When it is a well known fact that Sikhs are the ones doing all the fighting and the Hindus are the ones running away from Kashmir with sh*t in their pants! If they are so brave why didn't they stay in their land and fight for themselves? "India" is trying to assimilate Sikhs, their agents are all over the internet trying to spread BS and divide the Sikhs. So many people (Hindus) come on the net pretending to be Sikhs and make stupid statements to try and divide and distort the faith, they hate Sikhs and want Sikhism to be destroyed... They come on to Sikhnet and say that all Sikhs who cut their hair are not Sikhs, well, if that's the case then Sikhism is on the verge of extinction! (Since 90% of Sikhs cut their hair) Not many people even know the true meaning of the Khalsa and what it is all about. A Sikh is a LEARNER, one who is on the PATH to becoming a Khalsa. Khalsa is not an APPEARENCE (turban and 5 K's), it is a unique state of mind (higher spiritual consiousness - True Enlightenment) which must be ACHIEVED through being a good Sikh and meditating on NAAM. It is ridiculous to say that one must become a Khalsa straight away, because that only means that the person is the same UNENLIGHTENED person but they just look different (they have turban and 5 K's etc.), so basically we are now just RITUALISING the Khalsa!!! Therefore I stress that one must make a true distinction between a Sikh and a Khalsa. Sikh = Learning the way to enlightenement (becoming Khalsa) and Khalsa = The Enlightend Sikh (Learner), but we are ALWAYS ALL UNITED AS SIKHS! The role of the Khalsa will be a special one, and that is to lead the Sikhs in times of prosperity and difficulty, only they should be given special privilleges, like running the Gurdwaras, Sikh centres and other Sikh Institutions...

I mean isnt it the Khalsa ideal to help everyone..

My friend, don't be so naive, you must FIRST HELP YOURSELF, before you can help any one else! Without a country of thier own, Sikhs and Sikhism are not safe! Once Sikhs are secure then they can think about others, the blind cannot lead the blind!

but here we are only looking for our own raj.

In order to build a house you must first have a foundation. Khalsa Raj in Punjab will be the foundation, the whole world will then be the house!

Just to give you an idea of what is happening in kashmir.

Kashmir is in a mess but it's up to the Kashmiri people to decide their own future, none of your/our business dude!

Kind Regards,

MI

P.S. I apologise to some of you here for not replying to e-mails but I have been really busy, hope you all understand... Thanks...

Please read and UNDERSTAND all questions and then answer, some of you got some very strange results! lol

1. Sikhism (100%)

2. Reform Judaism (87%)

3. Bahá'í Faith (84%)

4. Orthodox Judaism (83%)

5. Islam (78%)

6. Jainism (76%)

7. Hinduism (75%)

8. Liberal Quakers (65%)

9. Unitarian Universalism (65%)

10. Mahayana Buddhism (65%)

11. Neo-Pagan (63%)

12. New Thought (60%)

13. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (58%)

14. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (57%)

15. New Age (55%)

16. Scientology (55%)

17. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (50%)

18. Theravada Buddhism (50%)

19. Orthodox Quaker (45%)

20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (43%)

21. Taoism (43%)

22. Jehovah's Witness (38%)

23. Eastern Orthodox (35%)

24. Roman Catholic (35%)

25. Secular Humanism (35%)

26. Nontheist (33%)

27. Seventh Day Adventist (32%)

Dear people,

You should READ the questions carefully before answering them, also if you do not understand them, ask someone to explain them to you! Thanks,

KR,

MI

P.S. Some of the questions or catergories did were not accurate, so I did the best I could...

Dear all,

I was recently watching some Christian TV and was supprised at how successful they are. Although Christianity is a false religion, it still attracts the most converts and is the fastest growing religion by conversion. Unfortunately some idiotic "Sikhs" have also converted to this irrational and idiotic religion. There are also many other false religions like Islam and Hinduism which are trying to destroy Sikhism, shouldn't we now get off our asses and start a missionary movement of our own to take the message of our lord Waheguru to all humanity? Shouldn't we start saving people from the BS of the other false faiths? Isn't it time we counter attacked? Or are we just going to sit silently until our religion goes in to the great dustbin of history and we, our Gurus and Sikhism are nothing but mere memories of a once great promise which never came true because we just coudn't be bothered to act! What say you? I for one will be making plans to launch this along with some other like minded Sikhs. It is complete nonsense that Sikhism says we should not convert, if that was the case, then how did all the Sikhs of today get here? Because Sikhism is a religion which believes in being active and spreading the word of God. The Gurus and many other good Sikhs often went to villages all over Punjab and even to other countries to spread Sikhism. I have no idea why Sikhs don't have missionaries now, but they should, because Sikhism only says do not convert people by force (like Islam and Christianity used to) or pressure (like blackmail etc.) but all other good, kind and considerate methods are allowed. Well, let me know what you think and how we can get such a thing started... Thanks,

Kind Regards,

MI

Sat Sri Akaal.

Forgive me if these have already been asked.

My first question is regarding Guru Nanak Ji. From all accounts it seems as though Guru Nanak was born into a Punjabi Khatri (Hindu) family but rejected Hinduism from an early age.

Bro, according to the earliest records, known as the Janam Sakhis, he was never a Hindu. He rejected Hinduism or more accurately Vaishnavism (followers of the 'god' Vishnu) from day one.

However, from profiles of Guru Nanak which i have read he is said to have spent a number of years in West Asia where Guru Ji even attended 'Haj' in Mecca.

Bro, he did not go to Mecca on 'Haj' as such, he merely accompanied Bhai Mardana (a Muslim) to Mecca. He was assumed to be a Muslim by the Meccans because of his 'islamic' appearence, but he did not lie to anyone in order to gain entrance, also, I am not sure whether non-Muslims were barred from Mecca in those days, this may have been a recent phenomenon.

Now, only Muslims are allowed to enter Mecca and this is something which is strictly enforced.

It is nowadays, but it may have been different all those centuries ago.

My question is (Maybe this is an easy question) was Guru Nanak a Muslim at some stage in his life? (Probably while he was in the Middle East.) I find it impossible that someone of Guru Nanak's character and status could have lied in order to get into Mecca, and as we know, only Muslims enter that city.

Bro, he was never a Muslim and he did not lie. If he was granted entrance into Mecca then that was the fault of the Meccans and not of Guru Nanak. For example, if Guru Nanak was never asked whether he was a Muslim then why should he need to say anything?

My farther seems to remember being taught in school that Guru Nanak was a Muslim, even born as one, but i dont think he is remembering correctly.

This is not true. Guru Nanak was born in to a Vaishnava family, I hardly consider these people to be "Hindus" in the modern sense of the word. Guru Nanak was never initiated in to the Vaishnava faith (an old Aryan religion based on the vedic Aryan god Vishnu, unrelated to modern "Hinduism".) and insisted that "Truth" (Sat) was his religion, and "Truth" was his "God". (Satguru - True Guru)

My second question is regarding Sikhism's view on other-wordly things like Devils/Satan, Black Magic, Spirits, Possessions and Exorcisms.

I ask because there is more to life that meets the eye and science cannot explain or have the answer to everything. Also, the large majority of Human cultures all over the World have some form of fear or belief in Devils, Black Magic etc.

Bro, as a scientist myself, most of this stuff is total BS! Sikhism more or less agrees with Science but does not rule out some things such as spirits, ghosts, demons etc. but one who has faith in Waheguru (God) need fear nothing.

Also, i am planning (have been asked by friends) to go to a supposedly "haunted house" (some old mansion) with them which i think is in a forest out in the middle of no-where. Im told that this house has appeared on main-stream news and there have been many accounts of the place being "evil" or whatever. They want to stay in the forest over-night, thats not my kind of thing but a one-off i suposse is ok.

I have stayed in 'haunted houses' myself, nothing usually happens, and when it does, it is usually a rat or a bird making noise. Creeky floor boards are a result of temperature differential.

Does Sikhism accept that things like this exist or are they all fictional?

Sikhism does not rule out the possibility but says that these things are unimportant and have no relevence to the physical world, they can't harm you if you don't try and interact with them, that's assuming they exist in the first place.

If so, then why does Human nature and instincts insist otherwise.

Because human nature is imperfect and often irrational, why do you think that so many Hindus worship rats, cow dung, monkey sh*t, snakes and God knows what other crap?

Thanks.

PS, if these things do exist then i would like some info on how you should defend yourself. (If necessary).

Bro, remember that you are a fearless Sikh of Guru Gobind Singh, and do not fear anything because God is in your heart, and God is more powerful than anything. Trust me, I have been to many haunted houses and I am never afraid, because I know the truth, also I tend not to even acknowledge such garbage. When I am nervous or in doubt, I often think of Guru Gobind Singh and lose my 'fear' or 'nervousness'...

Yeah i know that sounds like a weird question, but it had to be asked.

Well, I hope I have been of help.

Sat Sri Akaal.

And you. By the way, Sikhs are not supposed to be superstitious, SGGS says it's all BS... anyway, have fun...

Kind Regards,

MI

Mission!!! long time no hear from you bro...i almost forgot about you

JSB, nice to see you too bro, I have been really busy, I am moving home and my girl is pregnent! So I am very busy right now but try and make a post here and there! lol Will be making more soon, as soon as I sort my life out, haha...

Heyyo,

In Mathematics 10+10=20, this is a FACT, thus nothing more is needed. Sikhs living Guru is SGGS, and this says that Sikhs are not Hindus or Muslims. No more need be said.

KR,

MI

Guys,

God created humans through the laws of Physics/Evolution, just like he/she/it created everything else. This question is only relevent to the semitic religions like Christianity/Islam/Judaism, because they have personal "human like" gods, whereas Aryan religions like Sikhism and Buddhism don't. Basically, this question has no meaning for Sikhism.

KR,

MI

Quite simple really, in order to refute lies, see what SGGS says: "I am neither Hindu or Muslim" - SGGS

END OF STORY! :wink:

KR,

MI

You guys are missing the point, queerness is a medical condition caused by defective genes. The fact is that queers are born that way, its not their fault. Also, you guys are wrong about equality. Equality means that you treat a PERSON equally and with respect, not that you treat their filthy activites/perversion with respect! You can respect the person/sinner but not the sin... Queerness is WRONG! The reasons are many, such as it is UNNATURAL, it is disgusting and confuses some children, it is useless in evolutionary terms, it is not for procreation, and much more... Otherwise, why not let pedophiles go about their business? Why not let brother and sister get married? mother and son? I mean, they too can be consenting adults right!? Man and Woman (unrelated) were made for eachother, they are NATURAL and wholesome, heterosexuality is NORMAL, it is SCIENTIFICALLY proven to be the best arrangement. Sikhism should NEVER allow queers to get married in the Gurdwaras, this is against God! If one is queer, get a f*cking sex change operation and become NORMAL! Or, get some genetic operation in 20 years time that will make you straight again! Why are these idiots trying to make an ABBERATION/PERVERSION out to be something normal and natural, when it is clearly not! Also, I agree with KS, I too would rather convert to Islam then have Sikhism altered just to 'fit in' these stupid queers! Sikhism is the truth, let's keep it that way!

Kind Regards,

MI

Ok i have a question... Why did Guru Nanak Dev ji established sikh religion, as he was from hindu family?? He could hindu .. but what are the things that he didn't accepted to be hindu or muslim?? i will appriciate your answers... Amansingh.

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We want to allow healthy discussions no sladering so please refrain yourself from slandering other faiths.

Gurfateh

Mission Impossible, I have posted the numerous references (including the actual site at which Mata Sundri was cremated)

Where? I can't see any in this thread! :roll:

please kindly state your references for proving that these sources are incorrect,

Hello! Any body home? I do not have to disprove something which is false in the first place, I do not have to disprove a negative! Where are your sources? What you have stated is HEARSAY!

other than your own assumptions and hear-say.

I am not making any assumptions or hearsay, I am stating facts, when someone makes an assertion which is not common knowledge (like Bush is the President!), the onus is on them to provide evidence for their assertions! You have provided NONE on this thread, please provide your evidence, until then, what you say is BS! :roll:

Kind Regards,

MI

khushwant singh in his book " History of the sikhs volume-1" pg 50-51 mentions 3 wives of guru hargobind ji (damodari,nanaki and marwahi) and three wives of guru gobind singh ji ( sundari, jito and sahib devan)....and that sahibzada ajit singh was born to sundari, and sahibzadas jujhar singh, zorawar singh and fateh singh were born to jito.

P raghunath rai also mentions the same in his book "history of punjab vol-2"...and his book is the prescribed text for the degree courses of Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar !!.....how do i know that? well i did my degree from this uni and read his books ! apalling !

How can some people say that the gurus did not have more than one wife when the universities of punjab say they did??

And where did the university of Punjab get it's information from? Just becuase they something does not make it true!

If the gurus having more than one wife is wrong wouldnt AKAL TAKHT have opposed it???where is the ruling by the akal takht on this matter??

That's because it never happend! How can Akal Takht oppose something which never happend? How can I put you in jail for a murder you have not commited?

I cannot digest the fact that the gurus had more than one wife.....i dont want to beleive its true just like a few others in here,,but the history says otherwise........

Where does it say? SHOW ME ONE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, not because someone said so!

and it is accepted in punjab ,,the birth place of sikhism!!

So what? 3 billion people don't believe in EVOLUTION, but still it is a SCIENTIFIC FACT!

i wonder why no one debates to wat is being taught in the unis....

LAZINESS! Who cares attitude is prevailent these days...

and by doing so we are accepting that the gurus had more than one wife......forget about debating no one even says that its a controversial and unsettled matter....how can one include that in the curriculum?

People are stupid, they make mistakes, they do not realise the seriousness of something.

am gonna go the local gurdwara today and argue about this cause they have put an article on the notice board which mentions multiple wives of the gurus!!!! i want the source.......ill post watever feedback i get

IT'S BS! TELL THE GURDWARA TO REMOVE IT!

Kind Regards,

MI

It's all the oldies fault, they have failed you! It is by good chance that most of your are still Sikhs today! Forget the old generation, they are useless! YOU individually MUST stand up and be counted, teach your kids Sikhism and teach them well, make them proud of their history, make them aware of what it means to be Sikh, no not just Khalsa, hair and all that stuff, but about Sikhism being the best religion, also forget about this all religions being equal BS, this is a lie, Guru said ALL people are equal regardless of religion, not that all religions are equal! If this was the case, then why make Sikhism? Use your brains, teach your kids SCIENCE and SIKHISM, teach them not to accpet anything without proof, that way no Christian missionary can trick them! As a Scientist no religious idiots can fool me, before I was often confused about which is the true religion, because I couldn't think for myself! Now I can, which is why I know the truth... It's not to late, let all of us make the effort to teach our Kids Sikhism!

Kind Regards,

MI

yep, u can be religious and hav cut hair, but you are not a sikh of guruji until you keep your hair and take amrit.........till then we are all technically patits or sehajdharis

Bro KS,

Please lets not be like those idiots at Sikhnet, let's think like intelligent people. A Sikh is 'LEARNER' or 'SEEKER OF TRUTH' and one who follows SGGS. Period.

A Khalsa is an EVOLVED Sikh, one who has conqured the 5 evils and his EGO, one who is ready to take the next step and LIVE at a higher state of consiousness! Khalsa is not a right, it is a privellege, it must be EARNED, not just given away!

Do you honestly think Guru Gobind Singh would want FAKERS as Khalsa, people who did it because of emotional/community blackmail? A Khalsa is one who gives his HEAD, like the original panj pyares did, remember that... They did it of their own FREE WILL, Guru does not want FAKERS who are Khalsa because of other reasons, he wants Khalsa who are true to themselves and true to God!

A Sikh is at BASIC level, a Khalsa is at TOP Level! Please accept these facts... Any one can be a Sikh, but it takes a true Gurmukh to be a Khalsa...

Kind Regards,

MI

You guys are missing the point, the fact is that Sikhism is being taught wrongly or not at all. Also, the parents are to blame, they are too busy making money rather than spending quality time with their kids. This is what happens when you have unscientific ***** as parents, people who believe in superstitious nonsense and ignore the realities of life. My parents sent me to Sunday school and I had to learn Christianity properly, my parents always made time for me and nurtured my relationship with Jesus and God. The only reason why I gave up Christianity for Sikhism is because I became a scientist, and I realised that Sikhism is the only religion compatible with science as well as having a great history! Guys, remember, life is an illusion, you will not live forever, TEACH YOUR KIDS ABOUT SIKHISM AND HOW GETTING TO GOD IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN LIFE! ALSO, DON'T FORCE IT, ENCOURAGE IT! Also, don't be superstitious and believe in BS, teach your kids to think scientifically... Not to accept anything without proof! A PERSON WITH GOOD VALUES NEVER GOES ASTRAY, BUT VALUES MUST BE TAUGHT BY THE PARENTS, KIDS ARE NOT DAMN PSYCHIC! AND THEN PARENTS ASK "Where did it all go wrong?"! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kind Regards,

MI