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wish i could help you mate, i am looking for hafzabad and colebrooke (vlait vali) janamsakhi too.

did you manage to find these?

any religion that says you can have concubines, and says such things like that, is not a 'good' religion.

no uggardanti bani is not the same

ok thats fine but

is >'Sri Bhagvant Gita Bhaka'< and >gobind geeta< the same bani?

if these are different, then where can i get a copy of this bani 'Sri Bhagvant Gita Bhaka'.

i have gobind gita..

thanks..

o, im also looking for hanuman naatak, does anyone have this?

if so can they sent it me?

thanks..

Is this not the same text as the 'Sri Bhagvant Gita Bhaka' as found in some old Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Birs...?

where can i get a hold of these writings?

i only new of uggardunti being in the patna sahib bir and havent heard of this bani so i would like to get this text. is this the same as gobind geeta? (i dont think so but..is it?)

I believe the idea is about the concept of jhoot, blowing out the diva is putting your jhoot from your mouth on it, its not a matter of bloowing any air on it like with a phookna etc.

gurfateh jeoz, my first post on this forum

all this agni puja buisness is just totally outlandish and soooo not thhe meaning of the jort thing.!!

its not the concept of jhoot either but jhoot duz come into play..

if u wana understand the reason y we dont blow out the jot then u gota see wot the jot symbolises.

we use ghee because its natural etc, and more importently, it can be topped up. it cant be extinguished say, mid akhand paat.

in the same sense y we do aarti wen guru ji tells us kaisee aarti hoi ..., is why we do the jort. yea, ppl say its for just incase if the lyt goes.. but it also has the meaning of the jot of god.

during akhand paat, the jort has got to stay on. it should not go out. an unintentional "going out of the jort" by wind is seen to be a bad thing.

thus, wind, hence blowing out the jort, is why it is said to be not allowed. to extinguish the jort thus is said to, cant be extinguished with wind.

here is where the general theory stops and next is what i think...> fingers are the only other option so thas probs y they use fingers. its probs because its final.. maybe!

so this is y cant blow the jort.

gurfateh