J.Singh

Narsingha

Apologies, for I cannot supply any documented reference; what I know was orally narrated upon my visit to DamDama Sahib.

If this institution at Chowk Mehta is so great within Sikhi as the Dam Dami Taksal followers claim, why is there NO mention of it until Kartar Singh Bhindrawaley's publication in the mid-late 1900's?

Coincidently, I (and my family) met Baba Santa Singh there (April 1998).

If wasn’t such a great institution, I doubt Baba Santa Singh (and MANY Nihang Singhs) would have been staying there. What do you think?

Maybe if you ask Nidar Singh to relay the question on to Baba santa singh, babaji maybe able to provide answers to whether DamDami Taksal is/was great and about the well that was dug up...

Khalsa Fateh

Khalsa Fateh

If there are any individuals who consider themselves experts on Dam Dami Taksal history, could they please answer the following question. I need some help:

Sorry, I’m no expert, nor I can I answer your question, but I’d like to make a point with regards to Baba Deep Singh Ji not being based there; there is historical evidence to show that Babaji Actually resided there:

Back in Baba Deep Singh Ji’s era, there was little fresh water around. Hence Baba Deep Singh Ji proceeded with the digging of a well to provide fresh water. This well is still visible today, it’s situated near the front gate.

FYI, there are also other relics; a mirror of Guru Gobind Singh Ji – the very one used by 10th master to tie his Dastaar.

Also, there is a small building dedicated to Baba Deep Singh Ji, depicting Babaji's life in pictorial format (not sure of the age of this however).

my friend,

aspirins are no good for you, take some Paracetmol instead

once you're eyes stop rolling, may be you'll be well enough to answer the question :wink:

lalleshvari and narsingha,

I asked a couple of questions.

do you mind responding?

or or you too busy rolling your eyes

Khalsa Fateh

Lalleshvari,

In Himachal Pradesh, you may have heard of a Gurdwara, Baba Dera Sahib.

It is the Gurdwara of Baba Vadbhag Singh Ji.

History:

Baba Vadbhag Singh Ji was a Great chela/warrior of Guru Gobind Singh Ji (having chucked amrit from the 10th master himself and fought bravely in many battles). Once while resting under a tree, the King of Demons approached him. Not knowing that the BabaJi was highly blessed, the demon was caught. Babaji agreed to release the demon, under the condition that the demon performs seva. It was agreed, and the demon is known as Baba Nahr Sahib Ji. From this day, this gurudwara has become a location where sangat comes to be cured of demonic possessions.

Gurdwara

When reaching this gurudwara, first thing you’ll notice is some strange behaviour of members of the sangat, ie. some serious head rolling, 360degrees, hair open, continuously.

These people are possessed by spirits.

There is queue to pass under a small water fall – its reputed that this water flows from the mouth of Baba Nahr Sahib. People who are possessed pass through, and are tapped with a steel bar. Sometimes they faint – the spirits are now exercised.

They say that the exercised spirits reside at the top of the mountain…

However, sometimes, the spirit is a ‘heavyweight’, and is not easily removed.

Then the possessed person progresses to the tree where babaji sat (manji sahib, i think).

The head rolling continues…and continues….I don’t know how these people are cured, but I do know that a mahapush has the capability to do so.

You may read more about it:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/1999/99jan16/s...day/head6.htm#1

If anyone doesnt believe in ghosts/spirits, I suggest you visit this Gurdwara.

Its no hoax, that's for sure

Lalleshvari

They are only part yes but they're the part that protects the maryada and takes decisions.,

Takes decisions??

Hmmm, then theses decisions are not enforced very well are they?:

I read on your post on another thread:

Hazur Sahib has the oldest and purest maryada because of its remoteness i.e. it was nor affected very much by the Protestantisation of Sikhi during the British Raj by the Singh Sabha and Akali movements. It has therefore conserved all the age old authentic customs and ceremonies such as the display of the Guru Granth in its three forms, shahidi degh and jhatka. Its maryada is stricter and its nitnem is the purest of all.

Does this mean that Amrit administerd at Hazoor sahib is also invalid?

Narsingha

Which other parts of the "Guru Panth" are there that can give Amrit AND can trace their lineage back to the Guru directly?

Irrelevant.

My point is that Akali Nihangs singhs form part of the Guru Panth, thus it cannot be stated that “Guru has decided it to be like that.â€

A question for you now:

you state:

Amrit is made in the "hazoori" (presence) of Adi Guru Durbar, Dasam Guru Durbar, (where possible Sarbloh Guru Durbar),

well, at the original ceremony, there was no Dasam Granth Sahib, nor Sarbloh Granth.

Does the mean that, according to Akali Nihang singhs, the amrit there was too invalid? :roll:

Guru Panth is Guru...

agreed

...and Guru has decided it to be like that. :twisted:

Wrong, according to narsingha, Akali Nihang Singhs have decided.

They only form part of the Guru Panth.

Again, i'll let GuruJi decide.

It is considered as being invalid by the Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa, the traditional, and oldest and most authentic Khalsa instutition within Sikhi.

If so, so be it.

I'll let GuruJi decide.

without any of these being present, Amrit is considered invalid.

considered by who?

dd,

yes dasam granth is guru bani but is not guru, we are suppose to concentrate on the sggs ji that is our hukam.

A contradiction.

"bani guru, guru hai bani"

"bani is guru, Guru is bani"

Thus, all bani is our Guru

Khalsa Fateh

You may see Baba Mann Singhs website here:

http://www.santbabamannsingh.com/index.htm

(it also has the 16 days translation)

i remember visiting/downloading from a site that had kirtan/katha from Baba Mann singh with regards to Baba Deep Singh Ji. very nice, but i can no longer find the site...