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  1. Over three hundred years ago, The ninth Guruji of the Sikh faith along with disciples: Bhai Mati Dass, Bhai Dyal Dass and Bhai Sati Das, sacrificed their lives for a group of opressed people, this self sacrifice is an example to all humanity.

    http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/M...u_Tegh_Bahadur

    http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/gurus/nanak9.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...hbahadur.shtml

    24th November in the Gurdwaras people wil go and pay their respects to this great example to all humanity!

  2. and some other facts:

    "And what did the Hindus that were fighting the Muhammadan invaders do for Buddhism during the invasions? Here are some excerpts from Alexander Berzin’s “The Historical Interaction between the Buddhist and Islamic Cultures before the Mongol Empire”:

    Although the Mithila rulers were Shaivite Hindus, they continued the Pala patronage of Buddhism and offered strong resistance against the Ghurids. They stopped, for example, an attempted drive to take Tibet in 1206.

    The Sena king (Hindu) installed defensive garrisons at Odantapuri and Vikramashila Monasteries, which were imposing walled citadels directly on the Ghurids’ line of advance.

    "

    well there u have it...

  3. Myth #4: Adi Shankaracharya instigated Hindu kings to rid India of Buddhism

    "The debates that Shankara engaged in had the criterion that the one that lost the debate should embrace the faith of the victor. When Buddhist scholars lost debate after debate with Shankara, they had no choice but to honor the commitment and when they did so, the king / prince to whom these Buddhist scholars were mentors ended up following suit. There is nothing in the historical records, even remotely, to suggest that Shankara forced Hindu kings to unleash violence against the Buddhists.

    While he did engage in discussions with many rulers persuasively about Hindu dharma, the charge of this Hindu Guru engaging in violence against Buddhists is the unilateral dream of biased historians. There is not even a shred of evidence that substantiates the charge of Adi Shankaracharya instigating violence against Buddhists. And just to be sure, if we deep dive into the Advaita philosophy, as expounded by Adi Shankaracharya, the same ethics that are seen in the Vedas, Upanishads & Bhagavad Gita, like truth, non-violence, service etc are seen. Had Adi Shankaracharya acted against what he publicly preached or had he done things blatantly contradicted the message of Vedas, he would have ceased to be the philosopher / saint he is.

    "

  4. also:

    "So what the above instances go to show is that Hindu kings were not Hindu extremists that destroyed Buddhism, as, the modern day historians try to claim. Given the obvious gaps in their falsified accunts, some of the historians use King Mihirakula as a Hindu poster boy that unleashed violence against Buddhists. But what they willfully gloss over is that this king was not a Hindu but was a Hun ruler that belonged to a clan (of Central Asian Xionites origin) that invaded North West India. The historians claim that King Mihirakula was a Shiavitie but in his campaigns against the kingdom of Malwa and Gwalior, he razed down temples and Buddhist stupas alike and this confirms his non-Hindu origins. Just to be doubly sure, I am also presenting his lineage which proves he was not a Hindu. Mihirakula was the son of the Hun ruler called Toramana and their Hun lineage and the spread of the kingdom can be seen in the Jain literary work called Kuvalayamala.

    "

  5. then we have:

    "Myth #2: King Pushyamitra was a Hindu bigot that slaughtered Buddhist monks.

    there are historical accounts of King Pushyamitra patronizing the construction of many Buddhist monasteries. This is where the statement of the historian Etienne Lamotte assumes significance: “To judge from the documents, Pushyamitra must be acquitted through lack of proof.” (History of Indian Buddhism, Institut Orientaliste, Louvain-la-Neuve 1988/1958, p.109)

    "

    then some more:

    "Myth #3: Hindu rulers systematically uprooted Buddhism.

    This is a very generic myth and to counter it we are going to use chronicles of Chinese travelers, some of whom, where students of Buddhist theology

    And where did Hieun Tsang pursue further studies? He did it in Buddhist University of Nalanda. Had Hindu rulers were so intent on finishing off Buddhism, how did this University survive? And a couple of centuries prior to this assembly at Kanauj, another Chinese traveler Faxian (330 – 420 AD) had chronicled the hold of Buddhism in India. Even in the two centuries between these two Chinese travelers, Buddhism did not wither away, which, clearly indicates that across this land ruled by Hindu kings, the growth of Buddhism was never curtailed.

    "

  6. Have heard statements that bhuddism declined due to persecution, but some things dont add up, lets see

    http://agniveer.com/5936/were-buddhists-persecuted-by-hindus/

    King Asoka, whose chariot wheel adorns the Indian flag, became bhudist and gave India just and humane edicts, but we have:

    "As we all know, Ashoka, propelled by a sense of guilt after the bloodbath in Kalinga embraced Buddhism as some form of redemption to overcome the same. Not many Marxist historians and Islamic historians in India do seem to acknowledge a little fact that Emperor Ashoka was helped by two of his Hindu mentors in this move. So, to start with, if Hindus were as dogmatic about their faiths, as these historians have projected Hindus to be and had persecuted Buddhists, why and how did those that had sway over this great emperor allow him to embrace Buddhism as his personal faith?

    "

  7. This account goes into detail of what happended:

    http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Muslim_League_Attack_on_Sikhs_and_Hindus_in_the_Punjab_1947

    But their were Muslim faith community leaders who were against great evil of partition, such as Allah Baksh-Sind province first premier and Abdul Ghaffar Khan-NWFP leader:

    Great human beings.

    http://www.sasnet.lu.se/news-sources/article-shamsul-islam

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Abdul_Ghaffar_Khan#Ghaffar_.22Badshah.22_Khan

    The apostles of pacifism surrendered to fascist violence of the league:

    "The new Interim Government to which the Viceroy had invited both the Congress and the Muslim League was due to take office on the 2nd of September, 1946. The Congress accepted the offer but the League rejected it. All appeared to be set for the word of command on the part of the League to let slip the blood hounds which would plunge the country into the horrors of a terrible Civil War. The comments of the British Press, seldom pro-Congress in its views and very consistent in voicing a pro-League bias, were on this occasion revealing, as they found in this Direct Action threat of the Muslim League nothing less than the design to plung the country into a Civil War: Said the �News Chronicle� of the 30th July, 1946, a day after the passage of the Direct Action Resolution:

    �What precisely does Mr. Jinnah think he will achieve by embracing violence-and at a moment when so substantial a part of his claims has been conceded?

    �Does he think that communal strife will benefit India or even the Muslim part of India? He has only to look at other parts of Asia to see what lies at the end of that tunnel.

    �Does he want his country to become another China, ravaged and utterly impoverished by interminable Civil War?

    �It is hopeless, of course, if Mr. Jinnah is wedded to complete intransigeance-if, as now seems the case he really is thirsting for a holy war.

    �If Mr. Jinnah nosy resorts to violence, it will be very difficult to save India from disaster.�

    In the above extract occur the prophetic words �Civil War� and �holy War�, and the Muslim League attitude plunged the country soon after into both these

    "

  8. Doubt: How did Ishwar arrange for pen, ink and paper to write Vedas in inception of creation?

    1. This is a most stupid doubt. As discussed earlier, when Ishwar can create universe without any additional tools, why should He be unable to create Vedas?

    2. Ishwar did not illuminate Vedas by publishing them in beginning of civilization. He illuminated the minds of noble Rishis - Agni, Vayu, Aditya and Angira during inception of civilization. Shatpath Brahman 11.5.2.3 elaborates this. These Rishis in their state of meditation receive the knowledge of Vedas and they adopt it in same manner as a toy moves when its button is pressed - in exactly the manner it is supposed to move!

  9. http://agniveer.blogspot.com/2010/06/origin-of-vedas.html

    Yajurved 31.7 clearly states that Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samaveda and Atharvaveda were originated from Him - the ultimate Ishwar who is omnipresent.

    Atharvaveda 10.7.20 reiterates the same essence beautifully. It says that Rik, Yajuh, Sama and Atharva originated from the ultimate Ishwar. It asks "Which deva (provider ofbliss/knowledge) gave the Vedas?" And answers that the One who is controlling and maintaining the entire universe is the creator of Vedas. Atharva is like the mouth of that Ishwar, Samaveda is like the hair on the skin, Yajurveda is akin to the heart and Rigveda is the Prana or source.

    Rigveda 10.190.3 states that the creation remains same in all cycles and hence even the constitution of the creation - the Vedas - also remain exactly the same.

    Doubt: When Ishwar is shapeless, how did He create the Vedas?

    Ishwar does not need physical organs like humans to perform His tasks. Such limitations do not exist in case of Ishwar. Vedas describe Ishwar as possessor of infinite limbs and mouths. It implies that Ishwar can perform all His functions without recourse to physical organs or support of anyone else. When Ishwar can create such a magnificent world, why should one doubt His capability to create Vedas!

  10. "m. Raavan was born from Pulatsya Rishi but became a Rakshas."

    Pulatsya Rishi was a brahman but Raavans mother was a rakshasni, so this one isnt as striaghforward as the others.

    where there any asuras who became suras and vice versa?

    may not be straighforward but enough examples have been given.

    any person can be anyone depending on his work and qualifications:

    There is no stipulation of high or low by birth in Rigveda. Many rishis of Rigveda under current Manusmriti definition were not Brahmins. There are at least ten Rigvedic richas showing that profession was not hereditary.

    In (IX.112.3) another rishi says “I am the singer, papa is the physician

  11. What surprises me that how for thousands of years birth based caste system was their but now suddenly in 21st century hindu's have started saying that caste is not by birth

    Birth based caste is not in scriptures, which is older then when it came about through corruption through number of people at top jobs who wanted to maintain their kids intop positions, and 21st century is not when a number of Hindu faith have said no birth based caste, Ramanuja one thousand years ago:

    Shri Ramanuja, the renowned 11th century philosopher and religious leader, is a central figure in a vast lineage of scholars and mystics belonging to the spiritual path of Shri Vaishnavism, a monotheistic religious tradition of India focussed on Vishnu. In addition to being a prodigious thinker and esteemed religious teacher, Shri Ramanuja is also revered for his compassion and humanism. His instructions to his disciples were that the message of the Shri Vaishnava Path should be shared with all, irrespective of race, caste, creed or gender. Such an open and inclusive attitude allowed the Shri Vaishnava message of love and service to God to break through the rigidities of caste and segregation.

    then later we had Sri Ramanand:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramananda

    Revolution Against CasteismRamananda realised that God can be worshipped by everyone because Lord Rama himself has never stopped the people of any caste from reaching Him.Instead, the Ramayan is full of stories about Shabri, Kevat,etc. who all were Lower castes, but Rama gave them equal respect, the way he respected Brahmins. Ramananda believed that in spiritual pursuit, the caste system of India is redundant. He believed that to truly devote yourself to Lord Rama, one must forget one's caste identity and social status. Ramananda is quoted as saying, “Let no one ask a man’s caste or with whom he eats. If a man is devoted to Hari, he becomes Hari’s own.” Ramananda had disciples of all castes.

    He took a very radical approach to teaching and preaching through the inclusion of the poor and the people of low castes. After Ramananda’s death, the members of the Ramanandi sect led a social revolution in the Ganges basin by recruiting women and members of low castes into their sect. In addition, Saint Ramananda was the driving force of the popularization of the devotion of Lord Ram.

    Scriptures thousands of years ago have not mentioned birth based caste, and so have a number of individuals, there is more to be done and discussions and arguments are taking place to remove this social evil of birth based caste, which blights many millions in India.

  12. I just want to know How many Dalits are doing the jobs of pandits in Hinduism?

    First place do not recognise this 'dalits' term, birth based cased divisions which reject, as God resides in heart of all beings, our functions of course are different, but each function is to be respected, anyway lets see:

    http://agniveer.com/888/caste-system/

    Many examples exist of change of Varnas in Vedic history.

    a. Aitareya Rishi was son of a Daasa or criminal but became a Brahmin of highest order and wrote Aitareya Brahman and Aitareyopanishad. Aitareya Brahman is considered critical to understand Rigveda.

    b. Ailush Rishi was son of a Daasi, gambler and of low character. However he researched on Rigveda and made several discoveries. Not only was he invited by Rishis but also made an Acharya. (Aitareya Brahman 2.19)

    c. Satyakaam Jaabaal was son of a prostitute but became a Brahmin.

    d. Prishadh was son of King Daksha but became a Shudra. Further he did Tapasya to achieve salvation after repenting.

    (Vishnu Puran 4.1.14)

    Had Tapasya been banned for Shudra as per the fake story from Uttar Ramayan, how could Prishadh do so?

    e. Nabhag, soon of King Nedishtha became Vaishya. Many of his sons again became Kshatriya. (Vishnu Puran 4.1.13)

    f. Dhrist was son of Nabhag (Vaishya) but became Brahmin and his son became Kshatriya (VP 4.2.2)

    g. Further in his generation, some became Brahmin again (VP 9.2.23)

    h. As per Bhagvat, Agniveshya became Brahmin though born to a king.

    i. Rathotar born in Kshatriya family became a Brahmin as per Vishnu Puran and Bhagvat.

    j. Haarit became Brahmin though born to Kshatriya (VP 4.3.5)

    k. Shaunak became Brahmin though born in Kshatriya family. (VP 4.8.1). In fact, as per Vayu Puran, Vishnu Puran and Harivansh Puran, sons of Shaunak Rishi belonged to all four Varnas.

    Similar examples exist of Gritsamad, Veethavya and Vritsamati.

    l. Matanga was son of Chandal but became a Brahmin.

    m. Raavan was born from Pulatsya Rishi but became a Rakshas.

    n. Pravriddha was son of Raghu King but became a Rakshas.

    o. Trishanku was a king but became a Chandal

    p. Sons of Vishwamitra became Shudra. Vishwamitra himself was a Kshatriya who later became a Brahmin.

    q. Vidur was son of a servant but became a Brahmin and minister of Hastinapur empire

  13. Vedas were written in India, and this aryan invasion theory which dispersed the Harrapan civilisation, has been slam dunked to the dustbin of human history:

    My link

    Now if an invader came and drove the inhabitants out, logic dictates that such an invader would occupy these towns. But archaeological findings prove this was not the case. And these ‘great invaders’ who came from the north west and occupied this land, sang the praises of our rivers, glorified our mountains and called this the holy land. Not their own homeland? That doesn’t make sense. Every reference to any place in the scriptures can be found on what is still, to this day, the Indian sub-continent. Not one place is somewhere in Central Asia or Europe where these supposed invaders came from

    Take river saraswati a river mentioned in vedas, and scientifically proven to exist, this river dried out, and hence the harappan civilisation dispersed, and thats a fact!

    Therre of course were later migrations and earliers ones, as well invasions, point is of Harrapan civilisation disappearance here.

    Lets see some more:

    My link

    Rig Veda does not give even a shred of evidence of any invasion or migration to have taken place from outside or the Rishis of Vedas having been part of expeditions into India from somewhere else. But Indologists and apologists of AIT / IAM use Rig Veda to try to establish their standpoint

    The Rig Veda based attempts to prop up the non-existent AIT/IAM falls flat. Rest assured Dravidians (of AIT/IAM) do have noses and are able to speak and are intelligent people unlike the Dasyus of Rig Veda.

  14. Is sanatan dharma worshipping many gods or one:

    The Supreme One who represents selflessness, controls the entire universe, is present everywhere and is the Devata of all Devatas, alone is source of bliss. Those who do not understand Him remain drenched in sorrow and those who realize Him achieve unconditional happiness. (Rigveda 1.164.39)

    It is quite clear -one god, but many manifestations.

    Now is there idol worship in scriptures:

    Is Ishwar with form or formless?

    A: He is formless as per Vedas and commonsense.

    1. He cannot be omnipresent if He has form. Because form implies existence of boundary. And hence He should not exist beyond the boundary if He has form.

    No idol worship, but sanatan dharma does not speak against other practices as there many paths to god all deserving of respect

  15. more on caste, for society to work better, it needs functions or jobs, e.g. in an office there is the managing director middle workers and cleaners, the office cannot function without the cleaners, so all the workers work together, and there is dignity of labour for all functions:

    Rigveda 1.117.21

    The King and minister should sow seeds and do farming from time to time to set right examples for Arya. This makes them deserving of praise.

    Thus it is evident that not only Vedas contain description of various kinds of skills and technology, but also glorify the dignity of labor.

    It is a baseless allegation that Vedas demean those involved in labor-oriented tasks.

    On contrary, Vedas affirm highest Dignity of Labor

    So all depends on ability and learning and qualification as to which job or function each individual human being does, and whatever function is deserving of respect as society needs all functions to work together for the betterment of humanity and this is what sanatan dharma says!

  16. http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/88527-vedas-hindu-scriptures-prohibit-casteism.html

    let us see what is this caste jibber jabber is about in the scriptures as opposed to the social evil of birth based caste practiced by some hindu faith:

    Higher caste/lower caste and untouchability are in direct contradiction to 12 other richas of Vedas viz. RV (VIII.93.13), RV (X.191), Atharveda III.30 and VII.54 (or VII.52) and Yujurveda (26.02) and (36.18). Unity in diversity is famous Indian motto.

    Cows of different colours like black, red and spotted ones give white milk (RV VIII.93.13) is a metaphor used in Vedas for diversity yielding to unity.

    HH Wilson translates (X.191.2): “Meet together, talk together, let your minds apprehend alike: in like manner as the ancient gods concurring accepted their portion of the sacrifice.” RV (X.191.3) “Common be the prayer of these (assembled worshippers), common be the acquirement, common the purpose, associated be the desire. I repeat for you a common prayer, I offer for you a common oblation.” RV (X.191.4) “Common (worshippers), be your intention; common be (the wishes of) your heart; common be your thoughts, so that there may be thorough union among you.”

    so clearly no birth based caste in scriptures, lets have some more:

    Thus, the central command of the 14 harmony richas and 10 profession not hereditary richas of Vedas is that all Hindus are totally equal by birth, of one bunch, share same water and food, worship together united in same temple, common are prayers, common purpose, common thoughts, united like spokes of a wheel, common oblation and friendly towards each others.

    One becomes a warrior (Rajnya), Brahman (educated ones) or rishi, not by birth but by his efforts/training (karma) vide RV (X.125.5). No one is superior and no one is inferior by birth

  17. Sanatan Dharma (hinduism) teaches to practice humanity and thats a fact!!

    Now, interesting how things get muddled with sanatan dharma, so lets start with basic summary points, the prime directives so to speak:

    1)

    In The Bhagawad Gita, sloka 20, Chapter 10, Lord Krishna says,

    "I am the Self seated in the heart of all creatures. I am the beginning, the middle and the very end of all beings". All beings have, therefore to be treated alike.

    note ALL beings, no one excluded, simple enough

    2) Karma Yoga-selfless service or sewa:

    http://www.santosha.com/philosophy/gita-chapter3.html

    Therefore, always perform your duty efficiently

    and without attachment to the results,

    because by doing work without attachment one attains the Supreme.

    King Janaka and others attained perfection

    by Karma-yoga alone.

    You should perform your duty with a view to guide people

    and for the universal welfare (of the society).

    Because, whatever noble persons do, others follow.

    Whatever standard they set up, the world follows

    3) prime goal-MOKSHA-merging with god so to speak, going to heaven so to speak,

    Now this can only be attained by leading a good life, a righteous life, free from vices.

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