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What's this "NRI Sikh" crap? Sikhs are not "Indians", they are Punjabis or nationals of the countries where they have citizenship. There are no such things as "NRI Sikhs", only British Sikhs, American Sikhs, German Sikhs, French Sikhs etc.
FF
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This is great, we need to get Punjabi back in Pakistan, as well as in "Indian" Punjab, Haryana and HP. I hope this good work continues...
FF
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Could you put some light on what ISLAND have you identified for Sikhs?
:twisted:There's no point, your brain wouldn't be able to comprehend the information.
what is illogical is to try and create a Sikh country in Punjab and re-name it 'Sikhistan' or 'Khalistan'.I would oppose any attempt to create a Sikh country in Punjab, i may even fight against it. I hate fundamentalists from all religions and am not interested in a theocratic Sikh government ruling such an ancient and diverse place like the Punjab, which has a history dating back long before even Christianity and Buddhism.
I agree but you seem to miss a major point, Sikhs do not have their slice of Punjab. Once they get it, it should be still called Punjab. They should then try and create a PU (Punjabi Union - based on EU!) This would solve all the problems until Punjabis can put religious differences aside and become one, but this will not happen until Islam in West Punjab has gone. Until then the best we can do is have a PU. By the way, true Sikhism is amazing, it is not like the BS espoused by the Khalistani fascists. True Sikhism has no fundementalism. Please PN bro, do some more homework and you will realise that Sikhism is the best and most free religion ever.
1. FYI of Lallesvari and Punjabi Nationalist' date=' please read freedom fighter's post more carefully then you wouldn't have gone off on a tangent.[/quote'] -
Dear all,
You call this a dream? If the Japs can do it, so can we!
Japan's Osaka airport, an ARTIFICIAL ISLAND built in the Sea of Japan!
What do you think?
FF
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Sikhism is the ideal religion, everything else is BS! Just follow Sikhism and you have the ideal religion.
Thanks,
FF
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Hi All,
Please re-read my post and then give a sensible answer, most of you have totally missed my point! Let me answer you guys:
jsb - There are many idiots in our religion, but it only takes a few to change the destiny of millions! Look at Russia and the revolution conducted by just a handful of communists, Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and co. Any thing is possible if we are willing to fight for it to the death!
lil princess -
First of all, no nation on earth is going to sell their land to the Sikhs so that there can be an independent 'Sikhistan' or 'Khalistan'.Can you please explain where you got this information from? In 1985, the South American nation of Ecuador offered Sikhs some land to create a seperate state but the Sikhs being the morons they are did not take up this offer. Also, I think you have little knowledge of the financial world my friend, there are poor countries who have enormous debts, they would happily sell their own grandmothers for HARD CURRENCY! Russia is very poor, they have millions of acres of unused land just sitting there doing nothing, there are also countries like Argetina who need CASH, as well as countless poor African nations on the verge of bankruptcy, not to mention the thousands of Islands which we can buy for just a few million dollars... There are many many possibilites, remember, it's money that makes the WORLD go round... Also, there have been many times where land has been sold for the creation of countries. Alaska was SOLD to USA by Russia!
Yeah, actually at the moment there is a countries' sale at TESCO's. I saw an offer buy one get one free. Looks interesting
Why don't you just get back on your tractor and stick to that brainless task of ploughing that field of yours on your farm and we will get back to the educated, logical, and rational discussion of providing a safe guard for our religion. :roll: :roll: :roll:
i have an idea which may work even better,lets not make sikhi "kachee" (brittle). We have many gurdwara's, we have comittees, we have langar etc etc....
why don't we expand this!!!!
instead of setting up gurdwara's and focusing on that, as most are empty anyway why don't we recreate everything in the spirit of sikhi? bhain kanaiya was a sevapanthi/sikh (whatever) but he took guru ji's message and blew people's minds! why don't we stack up on non-perishable food items and start sending them out to impoverished countries. Why don't we take the spirit of the guru's and start spreading love. Instead of opening up another gurdwara, with another "sikh" class to tell all kids to grow their hair, why don't we put out pamphlets to discuss the great feats of our guru's. Why don't we set up organizations (teaching, psychological etc etc.. and then work by working through the larger communities)? why don't we offer ourselves to the UN. Sikhs should be the humanitarian's ideal. We are in an everchanging environment, we should retain our past for heritage and inspiration but create the future through action.
let us realise why people don't want to be associate with sikhs.... first, we are considered by ourselves to be money hungry and after power (guru ji said this about every human.. its an affliction)...what doesn't help is having uncles knocking back the beers and discussing how bad the gurdwara politics are while asking their kids to fetch them ice for their whisky. My point isn't to sit there and bash non-practicising sikhs, but to look at what we can do to better ourselves, our households and then the rest of the world. Guru sahib empowered poets, warriors, scholars, sportspeople, businesspeople, philanthropists. As sikhs, we should do that and the next thing you'll know; sikhs have made the whole world their home. We we fill be focusing on "gun", fighting "avgun", and in the process, merging with "nirgun" through "sargun"...... all in sahej.
Personally, I like everything about the punjabi culture. The modern day sikh culture to me seems to be a mirage/projection of the political aspect of punjabi culture. The lack of "right" focus is holding us back.....
lets build virtue and live in that culture
.sat sri aakaaaaaaaaal
Errr, yeah that's all good but we can do this anyway and still have a Sikh homeland to protect Sikhism from the Hindu "Indian" menace.
I believe that only by doing the above we will achive Khalsa Raj, Khalsa will rule the hearts and minds of people not a piece of land.What's wrong with doing both? Or are you merely a one trick pony? :roll:
Waheguru Ji Ka KhalsaWaheguru Ji Ki Fateh
Freedom Fighter. An excellent post. Shows that some Sikhs do actually think outside of the 'box'
GurFateh
Bikramjit
You too bro, at least someone here got my message correctly! Well done, now hopefully we might get some more sensible input instead of mindless drivel...
Thanks,
FF
P.S. Apologies to all if I accidently offended anyone, that was not the intention, thanks...
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Dear All,
I was just looking back at some history and found that it may be possible to buy some land from some large country and then set up our own free state! For example, did you know that Alaska was actually a part of Russia until the 19th century when they SOLD it to the USA for a mere $7 million! Instead of building all these Gurdwaras all over the place, why not set up a Sikh Homeland Fund which will be a chariatable organisation collecting donations from Sikhs world wide until it has enough to make a serious offer to some country for buying land and sovereignty to set up a free Sikh nation. This is 100% legal and can be done if we try, please let me know what you think, yeah I know it's not the same as having a free Punjab but hey, it's a start right? We can do what the Jews did and buy land (Israel) and have our freedom from "India" at least. Free immigration to ALL Sikhs worldwide regardless of race/culture (but NO immigration to anyone else unless they can make a substantial economic contribution to the country or convert to Sikhism - obviously the natives of the country/land we purchase would be exempt and can practice their religion/culture freely). There will zero taxes and worldwide banking, financial, IT services etc. like Switzerland (which is a land-locked country even richer than the USA! So this proves that even a land-locked free Punjab would do just fine!). It would be modeled on a modern democratic European country but based on Sikhism. The country does not have to be very big but it would have to support at least a few thousand people (Sikhs as well as natives). It would be an excellent country and would be a SAFE HAVEN for ALL Sikhs if and when they are ever in danger... It would be like starting again! This is a realistic way we could actually get something done, we could even join the United Nations and the Sikhs would finally have a voice on the world stage where we can expose "India's" lies and crimes against humanity and the whole world will listen!!! We have plenty more ideas, including even building an artificial island which can be later declared a free state, this too is 100% legal! Japan recently built a massive airport in the Japan SEA! There are so many rich Sikhs and Gurdwaras we could get help from, so please consider what I have said seriously... Here are some other new states recently created or being created:
http://www.angelfire.com/nv/micronations/n...newcountry.html
SEALAND - Excellent case of a newly created state! (and an artificial structure too!)
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/Da...land000606.html
What do you guys think? Thanks,
Freedom Fighter
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Why don't we just BUY a Sikh state?
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Which Gurdwaras? The ones in Punjab will be looked after by the Punjabi Sikhs as they are today.
Bro, this new country will only be aboe to accomodate a maximum of around 1-2 million Sikhs as well as the maybe 500,000 natives (Russians)... As for the other 20 million+ Sikhs in "Indian" Punjab, they will ALL get DUAL NATIONALITY, a free "Sikhland" passport! So that in the event of trouble, they can freely leave "India" and go to another country where they will be safe. Because "Sikhland" will have excellent relations with EU and USA, hopefully Sikhs with a "Sikhland" passport can travel to these countries where they will be safe.
Well, they will go well because we will plan properly before we commence on this great project.
Errr, yeah, I think that was, errr, me! :roll:
I am not sure, I will find out, I will also see if we can revive the offer from Ecuador!
Considering the fact that there have been several people who actually think the idea is plausible leads me to the conclusion that either you are very slow or have not read my posts with due care and attention, I will favourably conclude that it is indeed the latter!
Where have I conucted such an excersise? Please highlight this!
Again more advice lacking substance, you clearly have not been reading my posts.
In several posts I have highlighted the need for such a structure, yet you continue to state the obvious! :roll:
A tad contradictory my friend, please refer to you prior counter productive sttaements.
Thank God, about bloody time.
Facts? Please explain how something can be declared as a fact (a statement of truth) when one has no clue as to what he is talking about, as I shall demonstrate in the following.
Considering that Sikhs are the number ONE illegal immigrants from "India" it should not be so hard as to convince them to come to a modern country designed exclusively for them! A country where they are the MASTERS and not the SLAVES! Where there rights, religion, culture, language, family will be cared for and protected!
Errr, like everyone else does in business, ADVERTISING!
Many thousands will SELL up and move to "Sikhland", like the Jews did in "India" when they moved to Israel in the 1950's. We know this from the huge numbers of illegal Sikh immigrants entering the EU, Canada, Australia, the USA etc. They would love to come to a country based on European standards and European standard of life!
TV, Radio, Internet, Newspapers, Magazines etc.!
They will be BARRED from "Sikhland" unless they renounce their extremeist views. ALL applicants will be screened thoroughly before being given citizenship. All their records, medical, police, and others will be fully checked.
Not in "Sikhland" they won't as they will not be allowed in!
LOL! what? Where did you come up with this nonsense from? This is utter garbage. "Sikhland" will be set up by Western Sikhs not "Indian" Sikhs! The "Indian" gov. cannot blame Punjabi Sikhs for anything as they will have nothing to do with it.
Errr, all Sikhs who do not have an "Indian" passport are considered aliens, thus it won't make any difference at all. I don't see your point.
Which Sikhs? How can Western Sikhs be put in "Indian" jails?
You are confusing issues here. Sikhs in "India" cannot be touched as they have done nothing. Western Sikhs are already aliens anyway, thus their actions have NO implications for Sikhs in "Indian" occupied Punjab.
Please use some common sense, "India" cannot stop ANY citizen from leaving the country. Once some Sikhs are out of "India" they may apply for "Sikhland" citizenship and then have dual nationality, one "Indian" and one "Sikhand". They may also come and live in "Sikhland".
Actually you are wrong, they wouldn't! Please refer to the prior posts for more info.
Nothing can be confiscated, you are living in a dream world. On what gorunds can anything be confiscated.
By whom? For what reason? Do you thinks Sikhs will just sit there and do nothing? :roll:
What do you mean "Indian" gov.? They have NOTHING to do with it, it is none of their business! What alien Western Sikhs do is their business and their business alone. I don't think you understand international law my friend. Most of what you have said amounts to persecution and ethnic cleansing, these are serious crimes under internation law, most countries would be seriously pissed off at such blatent human rights abuses.
Firstly you are wrong, and secondly can you ever imagine Sikhs being thrown out of their own motherland Punjab? Do you think that they will just lie down and give up? There will be all out civil war my friend and the Sikhs will not be the only ones, the 20 million Christians and 120 million Muslims will also rebel. "India" would be in chaos and break in to many many pieces. Sikhs will cease Punjab and declare independence!
LOL! What utter crap! "India" is a low life 3rd world sh*t hole, FYI, China is the most powerful emerging nation, it is less than 20 years away from FIRST WORLD SUPERPOWER STATUS! China could destroy "India" in a week if it wanted to. Also, the invading Chinese army would be supported by 200 million Sikhs, Muslims, Christians and other anti-"India" forces.
Errr, last time I checked it was around 10-15 years!
What? You don't seem to understand, "Sikhland" will be a FINANCIAL CENTER not an industrial one, we will have no factories, only service industries which hardly need any space...
There are many locations from a cool climate in Russia, to an exotic Island or two in the Carribean, maybe a few Islands in the pacific and Indonesia or land in South or Central America! We will go for the best deal available. Maybe we will build our own artificial one near UK, USA etc. Here's an example of one near Japan:
Japan's Osaka airport, built in the Sea of Japan!
Republic of Sikhland
Automatic citizens with full rights.
No, it will inolve their consent and they will be paid since it is their land we will be buying, also they will have dual nationality, Russian? and "Sikhland"... They can stay or leave, it is their choice.
Very well, they will be full citizens.
How many times u wanna ask the same questions? please refer above.
Errr, no, because THEY are the one's who want to sell the land. Remember, they are not selling the whole country, just a small part of it, which will make them very rich!
Jesus Christ, no! Why are u asking the same questions over again?
No. Natives will have the right to practice their religion/culture freely, only new immigrants must convert to Sikhism. Why ask this again? I already said this in my first post!
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Fine, just don't repeat things 3000 times!
Based on what? There is NO connection! :roll:
Errr, yeah, and so we will get our homeland and then serve our people, where's the problem?
I look forward to it! :roll:
P.S. PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND MY POSTS PROPERLY BEFORE REPLYING! THANKS... Also I agree with PN, we should expose "Hinduism" for the evil ideology that it really is! Thanks,
FF