savinderpalsingh

Can you please elaborate? How can one justify this act of violence? I did not watch the whole video as I am a mentally weak person. So, if you could explain, that would be great.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

they went there to talk with them , to sort things out beating was not the first option

as they are speaking in this video

while they were talking with committee the baba's started path in any case

this is a huge respect to guru granth sahib, if they wanted path to be done , it could have been done at gurudwara sahib

even doing kirtan at madiyaan jathereyan is hugely disrespectful , and doing prakash of guru sahib is on a whole new level of beadbi

even baba nand singh ji and his sewadars agreed to it , i heard it from his hazuri sewadars

on top of that these pendu baba's dont understand the words

if you go and try to talk to them nicely and explain them.

you will be looking at lots of cussing from them

they dont want to understand

here is a perfect quote for this video

latoon ke bhoot battoon se nahi manate

even while beating the singh explain " sangat says you do this , but they dont understand we try to talk to these people and still they go to these measures and leaving us no choice"

the fact that , they started path while singhs were there to talk and stop them , is the proof that they didnt care at all. for the beadbi happening.

so yes they deserved it

there is also a sakhi from guru gobind singh ji maharaj

a war was going to start and guru sahib ordered sangat to return home

a singh remained , they asked why you cannot go

he replied guru sahib , this is you are my everything

guru sahib replied. you are very educated and know nothing of war.

if you stay here all you would be doing is " guru must have done this, done that"

if you want to remain a sikh go home.

hope that explains

and same explanation from them here

https://www.facebook.com/waheguruakalpurkh/videos/vb.1451460355084724/1629642503933174/?type=2&theater

this is uncalled for , beating the innocent sadhu,

nothing wrong in beating!

wah!

No doubt ISIS has a large support base, their Khali avatar would also have lot of psychopaths watching the mass behedings with smiles on their face and hands in their armpits.

It was not maseet... yes, because it was a mazar. still a non-sikh structure. there are 100s of Gurdwaras in Pakistan,would you like those to be destroyed one by one like the fanatics destroying the mazar? temples in gurdwaras, well the main sikh shrine is a mandar, so? Goto places like hemkunt Manikaran and they have been made witin hindu temple complexes or with hindus' (liberal) consent.

firstly there is nothing wrong in beating above in the video if you could listen to the whole video clearly

listen to the video again

firstly there is nothing wrong in beating above in the video if you could listen to the whole video clearly

2nd its kinda sad why masid was broken but it was on gurudwara sahib premisis . maybe some people made it after gurudwara sahib. its still controversial
in my city we have a hindu temple masjid on gurudwara sahib ground

and thirdly

if you could read the comment it says "thats not a masjid at all"

something twisted made by locals for their own purpose . just like the video in OP

Great notion of sikh women equality. Hopefully some tribal pendu taksalis can take note of this and get off their male patriarchy ground.

you seriously dont miss a chance to disrespect other gursikhs do you?

and you are after spirituality , there are so many holes which until you cover them will keep leaking out .

kara is also washed out while washing hands, tie kirpan on dastar , same as we do in morning bath.

and only untie kirpan form dastar when you have washed hands

or keep an additional kirpan inside your turban , so your kakkar is untouched and kept safe even at toilet

as per puratan rehatnama

shastar kave baithe naal le jaave so singh tankhaiya

one who takes shastar when going to toilet , is tankhaiya

agar kave jauana pave taan tusi shastar duje singh nu fada devo

but if panj pyaare have instructed to keep them on, tie your kirpan on dastar while going there

Singh saab, I don't think being gay or not is within a person's hand. I guess the Hukamnama is saying that don't indulge in a sexual manner with the same sex, which is a bujjar kurehit. If a person is gay by birth, he can be part of the Khalsa Panth as long as refrains from any sexual activity with the same sex. We need to make sure that Gays and Lesbians are not discriminated in Sikhism as the doors of Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj are open to all.

Please do clarify.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

he can be a part of khalsa panth but cant marry another guy thats the price you pay

however i heard someone say that even in veda's the homosexuality is shown as disease , its related with how brain confuses same same with oposite sex with smell

i still have to search vedas for that

Thanks a lot mate for the information.

Also bro, do you know if tenth master has mentioned about gays and lesbians in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee?

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh

WahegurujikaKhalsa WahegurujikiFateh

i have not read dhan sri dasam patshah ka granth yet

kabal hukam nama ,

patshahi dasvi

partangami nahi hona

Dont be gay

same has been translated by Prof satbir singh

it is also considered as a very huge bujar kureith

Bhai Jeevan Singh Ji

http://harsimrat-kaur.com/Audio/1%20Unknown%20Year/Bhai%20Jivan%20Singh%20Dudley%20Rhensabhi%20Year%20Unknown.mp3

nuff said

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=648467971965779&set=vb.100004077471967&type=2&theater

my apologies i thought it was something else, but if i come across something more i will post here

however in the shabad mentioned

ਦ੍ਵਾਦਸਿ ਰੂਪ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਏ ਕਹਿਯਤਿ, ਦ੍ਵਾਦਸਿ-ਭਾਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਹਰਿ ਸੰਤਾ ॥
Oh Saints of the Hari listen, in twelve forms the Satiguru appears, just as twelve phases of the sun

its clear , that the form here refers to as guru

here guru sahib is talking about his form /guruship

apno sri khalsa saunpa , i give my 1st form to khalsa

dutiya roop satguru granth , 2nd form is satguru granth ji

it mentions 11th guru is guru khalsa and 12th is sri satguru granth ji

latter sri guru sarbloh granth sahib ji states it clearly that

about the guru ship being tranfered to guru khalsa and sri guru granth ji

1st form is nirankar akalpurakh

2nd form is guru granth ji

3rd is guru khalsa , in flesh and bones

who carry out the hukamnamas and justice

its not bad translation , i think it was done by giani inderjit singh ji raqbe wale and same was done by bhai balbir singh ji.

I don't think so. Which sentences are you looking at?

ਆਪਨਪੌ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਖਾਲਸਹਿ ਸੌਪਾਂ, ਦ੍ਵਤਯਿ ਰੂਪ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥਾ ॥

I (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) have passed down (my form) to the Khalsa, the second Form of mine is the Granth

He considers it his guru. move on.

12 forms? Is he counting Banda Singh as Guru?

your answer lies in the shabad itself

why you had written sri guru sarbloh granth sahib ji it is not sikh guru our guru is shri guru granth sahib ji you can't called sarbloh granth sahib as guru

do not take this topic sideway

and i wont answer here ,make this topic go sideways

i didnt wanted to jump on this , but heres Sri Guru Sarbloh Granth sahib ji


ਮਾਤ ਭਗਵਤੀ ਪਿਤਾ ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰੁਖ, ਗਦੋ ਲਿਯੋ ਦੈ ਖਾਲ ਪਲੀ ॥
Bhagavati is your mother, Kaal Purakh your father, [the Khalsa] has been nurtured in their laps [like children].

ਸਕਲ ਭਰਮ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਹਰਿਜਨ, ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਚਿ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਬਲੀ ॥
Servants of Hari remove all their doubts by repeating ‘Satinam’, the most powerful of mantras

ਆਪੁ ਜਪਤਿ ਅਰੁ ਜਗਤ ਜਪਾਵਤਿ, ਭਗਤਿ ਸਿਰੋਮਨਿ ਮਾਹਿ ਕਲੀ ॥੭॥੧॥੩੧੪॥੮੪੬॥੩੧੬੫॥ਸਪ੍ਹਕ ੧॥
[The Khalsa] chant [Hari's Naam] and teach others to chant it and thus become the highest [shiromani] of all devotees in Kaliyug

ਇਤਿ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਪੰਥ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ ਸੁਭ ਬੰਸ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਸਕ ਬਰਨਨੰ ਸੁਭੰ॥੧॥



ਅਥ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਥਾਪਨ ਮਹਾਤਮ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਗ੍ਰਹ ਕਥਤੇ
ਤ੍ਵ ਬਲਿ
ਬਿਸਨੁਪਦ ਪੁੰਨਿਯਾਕੀ

ਆਪਨਪੌ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਖਾਲਸਹਿ ਸੌਪਾਂ, ਦ੍ਵਤਯਿ ਰੂਪ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥਾ ॥
I (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) have passed down (my form) to the Khalsa, the second Form of mine is the Granth

ਬੋਲਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਬਦ-ਸੋਭਾਖਨ, ਨਾਮ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਕੀਰਤਨਿ ਸੰਥਾ ॥
The recitation of the Shabad is the Satiguru's speach to us, whether it be Gods Name [simran roop)], or through singing hymns [keertan], or through studying His Word [santhaa]

ਗੁਨਾਨੁਵਾਦ ਪੁਨਿ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸਲਾਹਨਿ, ਊਠਤੁ ਬੈਠਤੁ ਸੈਨ ਕਰੰਥਾ ॥
By praising the Lord one becomes virtuous, whether standing or sitting

ਪਾਵਨ ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਯੋ, ਚਾਰ ਵਰਨ ਆਸ਼੍ਰਮ ਸੁਭ ਪੰਥਾ ॥੧॥
The pure Panth, the Khalsa has came into being, that glorious Panth with four castes [Khatri, Bahman, Sudh, Vaish] and four ashrams [brahamchari, Grishti, Vaanprasti, Sanyasi]

ਇਨ ਕੇ ਦਰਸ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਕੋ ਦਰਸਨ, ਬੋਲਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਬਦੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗ੍ਰੰਥਾ ॥
If you wish to behold Me then behold the Khalsa [which is Satiguru], if you wish to speak to Me then repeat the Bani from the Guru Granth Sahib

ਦ੍ਵਾਦਸਿ ਰੂਪ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਏ ਕਹਿਯਤਿ, ਦ੍ਵਾਦਸਿ-ਭਾਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਹਰਿ ਸੰਤਾ ॥
Oh Saints of the Hari listen, in twelve forms the Satiguru appears, just as twelve phases of the sun

ਪ੍ਰਤਯਖ ਕਲਾ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਧਣੀਛੈ, ਗ੍ਰੰਥਿ ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸ ਵਰਤੰਤਾ ॥
The visible power of God is manifested in the Khalsa as [the doctrine of the Guru] Granth and [that of the Guru] Panth

ਦਾਸ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਫਤਹ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ, ਖਾਸ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਗੁਰੁ ਰੂਪ ਬਦੰਤਾ ॥੨॥ਦੁਪਦ ੧॥
The Servant, Gobind [singh] says, all victory is Paramatma's, the true Guru's form is now the [Guru] Granth.

- Sarbloh Granth, Vol. II, page 496

Thanks for feedback.

Please share your analysis why there is an fault in beating of sadhu

apart from the sadhu, i see no fault in others, they are fine .

i havnt seen the last 2 yet

I seriously wish there was a block button on this forum .

your RSS colors just showed , thanks

not gonna belive one bit of your twisted historical facts
you try to make everything false, i saw it when you just jumped in about 52 hukams,

and its sad to see how other members of own religion jump in to question

i seriously pitty the sikh members here who question history and authenticity . shows me how little faith they got

i see a rise of all things happening on internet/real life , RSS raaaj will come soon. its better to be prepared.

its funy how many hindu;s here point and question our history and many singhs not only they accept that it was not correct , they have no shradha /belief on our own history .

its sad