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it might be , but in the suit pic , mata ji didnt wore any jewlry
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the old painting at mata sahib deva ji's gurudwara represents a punjabi suit. i have no idea about lal gagri .but it could be that too because gagri was quite common at that time.
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Good video by sant ji.
On kirpan da amrit topic, it almost seems like water down version of khanda da amrit but less strict rehat maryada for bibis? or rather intial preliminary amrit stage- begineer amrit like chaula? I guess only difference between kirpan da amrit or chaula is kirpan da amrit you will still get gurmantar and mool mantar ? Like to know whats the rehat maryada of kirpan da amrit? still 5 kakar?
maiyan can wear 5 kakkar ,rehat is not that ough for them i guess, due to physical changes and house hold duties
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So whats rehat maryada for kirpan da amrit?
http://www.amritworld.com/pbi/commentary/hazooree_maryada/article_kirpan_da_amrit.pdf
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did they start that maryada recently?
because when i read old rehatnama by bhai chaupa singh ji, its restricted there
and it all makes sense where "Singh" is mentioned not any bibi .
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DDT maryada came from Guru sahib no doubt, but sundar singh ji modified it a little
i guess the theory here might be
the old portions related to this thread are intact,
including
pati wrata dharam
but the changes might be in amrit for maiyan
because as far as the Maryada in nihang dal, they do not give amrit to maiyan .
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maryada was changed in DDT by sant sundar singh ji khalsa
before that it was different , i read it somewhere , he did this to unify and give one simple maryada
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ofcourse Guru Gobind Rai , became Guru Gobind Singh
but maiyan never changed their name , Kaur doesnt refer to as female princess or anything
1st son of king is called tikka sahib
tikka because he will get tikka to rule
2nd one is called kora
because he is kora from raaj and cannot rule, but has rights of property
hence Kaur .
thats why mata sahib deva ji's
gurudwara in nanded has name "mata sahib deva ji" not mata sahib kaur ji
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mata bhag kaur is new name, older one is mai bhago
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here's the maryada prabodh by baba joginder singh ji exjathedar sri hazur sahib
http://www.amritworld.com/pbi/commentary/hazooree_maryada/article_kirpan_da_amrit.pdf
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Please excuse my ignorance. There are several hukamnamas available written by Mata Sundari and mata Sahib Devan ji written during second decade of eighteenth century more than fifteen years after tenth Guruji passed away. Still they wrote their names Sundari and Sahib Devi. Apparently they had not taken Khande di Pahul. Had they done so they would have written their names as Sunder Kaur and Sahib Kaur. Does it mean that what Sanatan Sikhs of Amritsar Singh Sabha were writing is true that at the time of tenth Guru ji or till Singh Sabhas period females were not given Khande da Amrit. Hence, logically, females without Having taken Khande da Amrit could not partcipate in adminitering Pahul.
However now that there is no such restriction in SRM for females to receive Khande DI Pahul, there should be no ban to be a panj piari.
agreed , khande di pahul is for singhs only , what whole panth latter accepted was kirpan da amrit for maiyan because certain singhs will not take food from non amritdhari .
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kaur is not a female word. its refered to as second son of king.
and the word for amritdhari maiyan is , kshatrani
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There are as mentioned above, examples of females with Kaur second name before 1699 as well as after 1699. However, it is hard to find initiation by Khande di Pahul. At all the Takhats females were given 'Kirpan da Amrit, in which a single Gurmukh Sikh prepares and delivers Amrit with a small kirpan and does not recite all the Banis specified for Khande de Amrit. The blade of the Kirpan is not used but the handle.
At Hazoor Sahib and Patna Sahib this is the practice I believe even now. In Rahitnama Prem Sumarg, for a female, after Khande da Amrit epithet 'Devi' is suggested to be appended to her first name.
The Khalsa Dharam Shastar a large Rahitnama document prepared by Avtar Singh Vahiriya of the Amritsar Singh Sabha headed by Khem Singh Bedi gives details of the Kirpan da Amrit for females.
is it possible to view khalsa dharam shastar by avtar singh vahiriya ? online?
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yes its mai bhago not mata bhag kaur
the senior kid of a king is called "Tikka sahib" who is to proceed and be next king
Kaur is for his 2nd kid , who has rights to everything but rulling .
thats why maiyan are called Kaur as 2nd kid, it does not mean princess in any way
i was just reading this is hazuri maya prabodh , nicely written and explained
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wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh
maybe they jolted down the main points as all rehatnama's are similar
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WahegurujikakhalsaWahegurujikifateh
i came across this idiotic video
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=699749023449323&set=vb.675333865890839&type=2&theater
Fake nihang RSS Hindu sikhsNotice the dumala , nihang of this old has such bad dumala ?its clear this is a fake nihang -
rss is behind missionaries always
even paramjitsingh ji anandpurwale , sated in his katha , a retired CID officer met him and he knew gurbani so deep being a hindu, bhai ji questioned
then he opened up that there are many cells for each religion , which stirs up issues, to guaraantee the downfall of other religions who are going above hinduism
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o bhaleyo lookon pehlan sri guru granth sahib ji taan padh lo
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waheguru , so much manmat
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wow to call bhai gurdas such disrespecting words, waheguru
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looking at how your toungue disrespects native singhs , i would only say
who is fake who is real how do you know! be that real one before you say it to others,
guru sahib says
do kamai of that thing only then you're allowed to say it to other otherwise that person goes to jampuri
and for foul mothed people , guru ji saysਨਾਨਕ ਫਿਕੈ ਬੋਲਿਐ ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਫਿਕਾ ਹੋਇ ॥Naanak Fikai Boliai Than Man Fikaa Hoe ||O Nanak, speaking insipid words, the body and mind become insipid.ਫਿਕੋ ਫਿਕਾ ਸਦੀਐ ਫਿਕੇ ਫਿਕੀ ਸੋਇ ॥Fiko Fikaa Sadheeai Fikae Fikee Soe ||He is called the most insipid of the insipid; the most insipid of the insipid is his reputation.ਫਿਕਾ ਦਰਗਹ ਸਟੀਐ ਮੁਹਿ ਥੁਕਾ ਫਿਕੇ ਪਾਇ ॥Fikaa Dharageh Satteeai Muhi Thhukaa Fikae Paae ||The insipid person is discarded in the Court of the Lord, and the insipid one's face is spat upon.ਫਿਕਾ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਆਖੀਐ ਪਾਣਾ ਲਹੈ ਸਜਾਇ ॥੧॥Fikaa Moorakh Aakheeai Paanaa Lehai Sajaae ||1||The insipid one is called a fool; he is beaten with shoes in punishment. ||1|| -
dont think its out of context
ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਵਡਾ ਕਰਿ ਸਾਲਾਹੀਐ ਜਿਸੁ ਵਿਚਿ ਵਡੀਆ ਵਡਿਆਈਆ ॥
Sathigur Vaddaa Kar Saalaaheeai Jis Vich Vaddeeaa Vaddiaaeeaa ||
सतिगुरु वडा करि सालाहीऐ जिसु विचि वडीआ वडिआईआ ॥
Praise the Great True Guru; within Him is the greatest greatness.
21397 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੧
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਸਹਿ ਮੇਲੇ ਤਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਆਈਆ ॥
Sehi Maelae Thaa Nadharee Aaeeaa ||
सहि मेले ता नदरी आईआ ॥
When the Lord causes us to meet the Guru, then we come to see them.
21398 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੧
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਜਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਣਾ ਤਾ ਮਨਿ ਵਸਾਈਆ ॥
Jaa This Bhaanaa Thaa Man Vasaaeeaa ||
जा तिसु भाणा ता मनि वसाईआ ॥
When it pleases Him, they come to dwell in our minds.
21399 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੨
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਕਰਿ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਹਥੁ ਧਰਿ ਵਿਚਹੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਕਢੀਆ ਬੁਰਿਆਈਆ ॥
Kar Hukam Masathak Hathh Dhhar Vichahu Maar Kadteeaa Buriaaeeaa ||
करि हुकमु मसतकि हथु धरि विचहु मारि कढीआ बुरिआईआ ॥
By His Command, when He places His hand on our foreheads, wickedness departs from within.
21400 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੨
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਸਹਿ ਤੁਠੈ ਨਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਪਾਈਆ ॥੧੮॥
Sehi Thuthai No Nidhh Paaeeaa ||18||
सहि तुठै नउ निधि पाईआ ॥१८॥
When the Lord is thoroughly pleased, the nine treasures are obtained. ||18||
21401 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੩
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਪਹਿਲਾ ਸੁਚਾ ਆਪਿ ਹੋਇ ਸੁਚੈ ਬੈਠਾ ਆਇ ॥
Pehilaa Suchaa Aap Hoe Suchai Baithaa Aae ||
पहिला सुचा आपि होइ सुचै बैठा आइ ॥
First, purifying himself, the Brahmin comes and sits in his purified enclosure.
21403 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੩
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਸੁਚੇ ਅਗੈ ਰਖਿਓਨੁ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਭਿਟਿਓ ਜਾਇ ॥
Suchae Agai Rakhioun Koe N Bhittiou Jaae ||
सुचे अगै रखिओनु कोइ न भिटिओ जाइ ॥
The pure foods, which no one else has touched, are placed before him.
21404 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੪
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਸੁਚਾ ਹੋਇ ਕੈ ਜੇਵਿਆ ਲਗਾ ਪੜਣਿ ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥
Suchaa Hoe Kai Jaeviaa Lagaa Parran Salok ||
सुचा होइ कै जेविआ लगा पड़णि सलोकु ॥
Being purified, he takes his food, and begins to read his sacred verses.
21405 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੪
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਕੁਹਥੀ ਜਾਈ ਸਟਿਆ ਕਿਸੁ ਏਹੁ ਲਗਾ ਦੋਖੁ ॥
Kuhathhee Jaaee Sattiaa Kis Eaehu Lagaa Dhokh ||
कुहथी जाई सटिआ किसु एहु लगा दोखु ॥
But it is then thrown into a filthy place - whose fault is this?
21406 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਅੰਨੁ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਪਾਣੀ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਬੈਸੰਤਰੁ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਲੂਣੁ ਪੰਜਵਾ ਪਾਇਆ ਘਿਰਤੁ ॥
Ann Dhaevathaa Paanee Dhaevathaa Baisanthar Dhaevathaa Loon Panjavaa Paaeiaa Ghirath ||
अंनु देवता पाणी देवता बैसंतरु देवता लूणु पंजवा पाइआ घिरतु ॥
The corn is sacred, the water is sacred; the fire and salt are sacred as well; when the fifth thing, the ghee, is added,
21407 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਤਾ ਹੋਆ ਪਾਕੁ ਪਵਿਤੁ ॥
Thaa Hoaa Paak Pavith ||
ता होआ पाकु पवितु ॥
Then the food becomes pure and sanctified.
21408 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੬
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਪਾਪੀ ਸਿਉ ਤਨੁ ਗਡਿਆ ਥੁਕਾ ਪਈਆ ਤਿਤੁ ॥
Paapee Sio Than Gaddiaa Thhukaa Peeaa Thith ||
पापी सिउ तनु गडिआ थुका पईआ तितु ॥
Coming into contact with the sinful human body, the food becomes so impure that is is spat upon.
21409 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੬
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਜਿਤੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਊਚਰਹਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਰਸ ਖਾਹਿ ॥
Jith Mukh Naam N Oocharehi Bin Naavai Ras Khaahi ||
जितु मुखि नामु न ऊचरहि बिनु नावै रस खाहि ॥
That mouth which does not chant the Naam, and without the Name eats tasty foods
21410 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੬
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Devਨਾਨਕ ਏਵੈ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਤਿਤੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਥੁਕਾ ਪਾਹਿ ॥੧॥
Naanak Eaevai Jaaneeai Thith Mukh Thhukaa Paahi ||1||
नानक एवै जाणीऐ तितु मुखि थुका पाहि ॥१॥
- O Nanak, know this: such a mouth is to be spat upon. ||1||
21411 ਆਸਾ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੭੩ ਪੰ. ੭
Raag Asa Guru Nanak Dev
now the second part talks jhoot is everywhere but how do we get rid of it? its by naam , so yes the following explains it and rather then washing it latter why not at first place make your own or only accept food from person with bad karma?
and since we are not sure of anyone , the least we can make sure is too have it from amritdhari or baani reciting person and kirpan bhet it before eating -
Hold your tongue . don't even dare to disrespect another Singh.
Nanak fika boliye tan mann fika hoye
These little skirmishes have always been part of khalsa this aint no big news .
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however this could be an artists depiction