GtLoc

Guess that's why my mom a has bad vision.

Well you need to jump down you British botolicking Hindu. Do you propose Sikhs should just take this?

Also deep curs don't cause a person to appear on TV no injuries few days later. Or have wounds that superficial they should have finished the job if this case is true.

Still don't understand throats part or how they were arrested if they had no prior. If you have a big knife the gut and finish it. Hello to authorities Watchung this, sitting in class come at me lool. Do you have 125,000?

Confirmed flash from my ji hang brother. Wasn't really doubting mote inquiring because I have heard stuff just not from nihung singhs.

Then again stuff I hear from these Hindu 'documentaries' on caste is worse than anything I've heard from any relatives save my 102 year old grandfather who is obviously from a different time.

We not vegetarian though but good job. Can object on other grounds but yeah.

http://m.thehindu.com/news/national/probe-castebased-segregation-in-gurdwaras-panel-tells-punjab-dgp/article5422572.ece/?maneref=http%3A%2F%2Farticle.wn.com%2Fview%2F2013%2F12%2F04%2FProbe_castebased_segregation_in_gurdwaras_panel_tells_Punjab%2F

I'd personally trust a Rothschild before a hindu, so who can confirm correct or false?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jffvgnnp2HY

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516270/Pregnant-woman-unborn-baby-girl-forcibly-removed-caesarean-social-workers-obtain-court-order-suffered-mental-breakdown.html

Wtf!

It is like this, if you consider the Hindu devi who is below om or the trinity of shiv, vishu, and was it indra then you are correct that there was no haven.

However, havan to show aad shakti of akal purakh is very different. You have to understand that the British and singh sabha also had people like teja bhasuria who wanted bhagat Bani removed from guru granth sahib ji.

Also the removal of banis from Sri dasam granth sahib ji. Instead of a sikh or Hindu mentality you must look at it from gurmat.

For example ram vs ram chandar. Das does not know of sainapati but knows of rangu work. If it is inbthere, it is most likely true and you must understand gurmat for what it is.

Not a non - violent ethos, the havan is in the same tradition as shastar puja.

Hi, Das has been reading. Pita ji says the Khalsa arises born consisting of all four vargas and five ashrams.

We also know when and how caste ism started to creep back and why.

Therefore, dalsingh veer ji is right and you two are being foolish.

Nawab Kapoor Jassa Singh Ahluwalia kept it in check. Badal and them aren't leaders. Grassroots fails that's why sikhi didn't come up by itself. Cast was erased from Punjab and other regions through leadership. Same will be now, sant ji men didn't have caste

I can't edit on mobile, but last point.

Sikh quo was made with bali of 40 mukte.

Hindu with what 40 devdas, or that ritual rape when a girl hits puberty? Finally, Sikhs been getting Anand karaj even Sindh Hindus.

The 19th century Hindu thing is for Punjabi Muslims.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ| ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ||

Basically means with a strong leader it'll go away again.

Came when misls started fighting each other. Primarily due to jatts as they were largest community. See tisarpanth res publica post put it in search.

Tied it low for one thing. If it is below mid point of ears, not even bullets or nukes will take it off.

Also there is a contradiction in saying punjab is weak and then saying kshatriya are strong. At the end of the day, if you study it casteism came into Sikhi when the misls started fighting.

Before then and as long as nawab kapoor singh ji was there pendu jatt supremists didn't blink.

As far as khalistan issues, remember that the road to rule is paved with weapons. There are not 125,000 times more of you than Singh.

Also why does every prominent Hindu of the time including shiva ji proclaim that without pita ji and sikhs the border of Pakistan would likely be at the deccan?

I don't wish to insult personally but when das walks in singh saroop there is maan. Hind saroop means thief in many languages.

Arise my khalsa, the third Panth. Wearing blue and adorning weapons - Guru Gobind Singh

Guru Nanak Dev Ji said Singh wearing blue will rule the world.

The nation of Gandhi vs the nation of Gobind Singh. I now who I'd bet on. Auto correct even made it Gobind as I was typing gandhi.

Bump

Okay, so you're suggesting a rigid society where people get put into roles based on certain assumptions.

Reminds me of a famous book by Aldous Huxley - Brave New World I think it was called. He too based the society of his book on the Indian varna system.

I don't agree with you by the way. I know plenty of 6 foot plus gentle giants who shit themselves at the first sign of violence. I've seen smaller guys decimate bigger groups. Smart guys can also be seriously devious and selfish and derail a wider society for their own personal satisfaction - ambitions.

Then you'll also get that stupid desire by the elites to preserve power and leadership amongst their own clan or family like hogis do today (i.e. Badal and co. in Panjab) or the Bush family in America, or Gandhis in India etc. etc.

If you reflect the quality of thinking towards a solution of our societies problems - then we really truly are screwed.

More than anything else we need a proper grass roots level thing that has us perceiving and acting like we aren't each others enemy. We need to stop petty competing amongst ourselves and start competing with outside communities in a deeper way than just whose kids are the most educated, whose has the biggest house/car/turban etc. etc.

We don't need a static organisation of our society, we have that already, we need a more dynamic, adaptive one where talent is picked up and developed from a young age. One where capability, progression and vision are rewarded and encouraged. We need a whole cultural mindset change away from the petty rural bullshit or all the attempts to self-aggrandise based on caste, tribe backgrounds and glory days of the past. We need to stop using our ancestors as a ego prop and focus on the future - in a clear, realistic selfless way.

Otherwise we are just constantly going to have one over us by more astute, united communities.

I agree, I didn't mean rigid I just mean anything but this western we are all the same and equal bs.

Why are you so keen to preserve the varna system? Explain please?

Why do you think it will help in creating the most 'powerful quom' (your own words).

Because for the foreseeable future average person will be a retard. Give them a way to know 7 foot hot head should be in army, and tiny smart guy a ceo. Other wise you get confusion Like Western society or stagnation like east asian. If the system out lives its function get rid of it. Or people will be ready in a generation offer two, das estimates regardless of the political situation.

The above isn't any major problem. So what if a pendu junkie leaves. It isn't anything common. Girls are a different matter, but guys leaving for Islam are rare and few and far between. Guys (and girls) turning into white wannabe coconuts are legion though. That's a bigger problem.

The White guy problem is fading but punjabi girls are like that everyone knows they chase the pants. Difference between Sikh and Punjabi Though Before someone says something.

^^

Yeah sure.

Sikhs avoiding organising and facing up to their problems by falling back on the crutch of their glorious history again......yawn

Who says there is no organizing going on? It is simply a matter of translating personal power into institutional, and that is hapenning. Wait five years,

Lion1699?

Bro what clan do you belong to ? maybe i could try to help you there

Sangha.

you now belong to the united Singh clan. - Exactly.

"So there was never an attempt to erase the hierarchy either. There were attempts to correct it"

What you describe is varna, the difference being that caste made it so that the son of a bramin HAD to be a bramin and nothing else.

If you let people strive for what they naturally excel it, while maintained a system to let that happen such as varna, you get the most powerful quom.

Don't you have those heroin addicted looking farmer freshies in Toronto then?

That's Brampton.

The mainstream culture though, like some kid leaving the panth here would probably have his stuffing kicked out.

Sardars get booed for going mona in highschool, and a lot of kids are keeping their hair here now.

Exactly.

GTLoc just exemplifies the problem I tried to outline.

The lack of will (on one pretext or another) to progress under our current circumstances.

A complete failure to empower ourselves, instead we sit around waiting for some utopian event to miraculously manifest (Khalsa raj, Khalistan), and imagine our problems will start to vanish when this comes about.

GtLoc

Lets face it, Sikh will not be getting any form of Raaj anytime soon.

SO what is the second best choice to save the dharam or culture.

You cannot place caveats to making change. ie you cannot say we will change if such and such happens first. That idea alone sets you up for defeat.

Any change needs to happen here and now, even though it may be a small change .

Hahahaha.

1991-1992 India begging to give us Raaj, Bhutto Betrayed.

Sura standing tyaar. Don't worry, no miraculous event DalSingh.

Remember, DalSingh A Sikh must be like the guru, but always know he is not. Be humble, our GURU Lead us to 48 vs 1 million.

Our guru also took amrit meaning there are 20 million who can each do that.

So, discussion ended.

The panth has been in worse states, 95% of it killed in the crossing of Sirsa.

If you have a path and goal that you follow, that you gamble on, take it if you think it will help the panth.

At this point, we have nothing to lose.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh||

edit - I also don't think you realize how deep-rooted these problems are. Nothing but self-rule will fix them, we are so entangled with the world of maya (India, Canada, USA, Indo-canada drug route for ex) that we need a complete break. Similar to the war of 1776 in America and their isolationism after.