karmjeet

ok another Nanaksar maryada question... (maybe i shudve started another thread..)

When reciting the Sampat Sukhmanee Sahib as prescibed by Baba Nand Singh jee maharaj you see after every astpadee the sampat of

'Sukhmanee Sukh Amrit Prabh Naam|| Bhagat Jana key Mnn Bisraam||'.

However, after this comes there also come, in written form, '8'/'att' and the number of the astpadee just completed e.g. if you've just completed the 3rd astpadee then it will read att tin. I wanted to know why the numbers are necessary/whats the reasoning behind them?

btw, for those interested, the other sampat is 'Satnaam Sri Vaheguroo' after reciting the salok.

The author of the anand chamatkar ( hajoori raagi of baba nand singhji ) mentions that he himself is not sure about the maryada of saying these numbers . But the author thinks that it might have been that when baba ji wanted to stop listening the path , he would know where he stopped and next time start listening from that astpadi . This is authors opinion .

There could be some other reasons as well but who knows .

A sampat sukhmani path = 2 sukhmani paths without sampat

wjkk wjkf

we ask if we are to do something or not from the Guru

ths wt i think

if you get a tadna , do ardas again and again , ask for maafi , again take a hukam . if u again get tadna , do nimrata sahit ardas again .

u can take hukamnama a max. of 3 times . if u still get tadna after 3 times , don't do the task . ths wt baba ishar singh ji used to say .

there was once this guy . he had to go get his eyecheckup from a doctor . he did ardas to get agya and took hukam nama , the hukam was tadna . but this guy didn't care . he went on . he was going on a horse carriage . on his way the wheel of the carriage broke down , he fell down and had a couple of bones broken . beacuse this guy didn't ask for maafi .

the best way to get out of this confusing situation is not to use the parchees . just do the ardaas and ask for permission . try taking hukam 3 times before u get prasanta . if even after 3 tries u don't get prasanta hukam then don't even think of doing the task ; there is bound to be an obstacle in tht path .

veer ji ,

I am myself not sure about what is the right way of doing it .

But here is a saakhi I read in Anand Chamatkar . When Baba Nand Singh ji left this panj bhootak chola , Baba Ishar Singh ji and other gurmukhs were confused about whether Baba ji has really left this chola or they have just gone somewhere to do udhaar of a sikh .

Because at that time they couldn't hear any heartbeat or breathing but they were able to hear waheguru simran from his body .

So they wrote down two parchees . They wrote ikoankar satgur prasad on top of the parchee . And mentioned their question . On one parchee they wrote the answer that we haven't gone anywhere and on the other one they wrote that we have left this chola .

So they did humble ardaas , rolled down the parchees , i duno how they threw them but the one that came out in front was the answer that baba ji had left his chola .

I don't think it matters how u throw the parchis what matters is how much faith and devotion you put in your question .

This is what i do . I make the parchees and one of them is usually blank which means i should still wait and not do anything yet . I do ardas , sit in front of guru ji not on tabya but where we do matha tek . then i would take the parchees and shake them in my open fist so that they mix properly . i make sure that i do not jnow wt is written on each parchi to prevent any bias . Then i would just throw them forward and pick the one that is in front . then i would take hukamnama . if its prasanta i would do the work that i intended to ask whther i should do it or not and if the hukamnama is of tadna i wouldn't do the that task . then open the parchi to c wt ws in there .

thts all i could think with my tush budhi . usually gursikhs know better abt wt to do ,not manmuks like me .

i hope i made some sense .

wjkk wjkf

thnx for posting it , great knowledge

go to this link it might help . its about he mechanism of mind and how to control it .u r not alone , everyone has problem s like these .

we all r in this battlefield

" soora so pehchaniye jo lade deen ke het purja purja kat mare kabhoon na shaade khet "

don't think of cutting ur kesh . it will only make u more weak and more vulnerable

http://www.dlshq.org/download/mind.htm

www.faithfreedom.org

yes it does

people usually go to that dera for maya , sons , wealth or especially when they are tormented by evil spirits .

If a Sikh follow his guru jis hukam no such thing will evr happen to him .

even if a sikh needs something he will do ardaas to guru ji rather than going to the dera and bowing down to Baba Vadhbhag Singh for his needs .

SIKHS can die but they never leave their own Guru . THey only ask for something from their own Guru .

And our Guru is Guru Nanak and we only go to his dera .

Ucha Dar Babe Nanak Da .

and moreover in the video , i saw tht Baba Vadhbhag singh's foto was made like Guru Arjan DEv jis foto . And they were quoting shabds from gurbani saying about the importance of a guru and referring them to Baba Vadhbhag Singh . meaning they wr using gurbani to do ustat of Baba vadhag singh not our real Guru ji .

I have no enmity whatsoever with Baba Vadhbhag Singh . He might have done a lot of kamai . If you want to follow him , i have no problem with that becus everyone has his own freeedom to choose his religion .

But the one thing i want to make clear is that SIKHS are forbidden to go to such deras ( Vadbhag singh , nirankari , radhasoami , sarsa ) its against gurmat . period

nice

veer ji its about manmat , ths wt its abt

follow the link

http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.php?f=1...502&t=70502

http://www.dlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm#_VPID_112

Anahata sounds are the mystic sounds heard by the Yogin during his meditation. It is a sign of the purification of Nadis. Some students can clearly hear it through any one of the ears and some by both the ears. There are loud as well as subtle sounds. From the loud, one will have to contemplate on the subtle and from the subtle to the subtler. Beginners can hear the sound only when the ears are closed. Advanced students can concentrate on the Anahata sound even without closing the ears. Anahata sound is also termed Omkara Dhvani. They proceed from the Anahata centre of the Sushumna Nadi.

Sit in your usual Asana. Close the ears with the thumbs. Hear and minutely observe the internal sound through the ears. The sound that you hear from within will make you deaf to all external sounds. Close the eyes also. In the beginning of your practice, you will hear many loud sounds. Later on they are heard in a mild way. The mind having at first concentrated itself on any one sound fixes firmly to that and is absorbed in it. The mind becoming insensible to the external impressions, becomes one with the sound as milk with water and then becomes rapidly absorbed in Chidakasa. Just as the bee drinking the honey alone does not care for the odour so also the Chitta, which is always absorbed in the inner sound, does not long for sensual objects, as it is bound by the sweet smell or Nada and has abandoned its flitting nature.

The sound proceeding from Pranava Nada, which is Brahman, is of the nature of effulgence. The mind gets absorbed in it. The mind exists so long as there is sound, but with its cessation, there is that state termed Turiya. It is the supreme state. It is the Unmani state. The mind gets absorbed along with Prana by constant concentration upon Nada. The body appears to be a log of wood and it does not feel heat or cold, joy or sorrow. Different kinds of sounds proceed from the heart (Anahata sounds).

Nada that is heard through the ears is of ten kinds. The first is the sound ‘Chini’ (like the pronunciation of the word); the second is ‘Chini-chini’; the third is the sound of a bell; the fourth is that of a conch; the fifth is that of a lute; the sixth is the sound of cymbals; the seventh is the tune of a flute; the eighth is the voice of a drum (Bheri); the ninth is the sound of a double-drum (Mridanga); and the tenth is the sound of thunder.

You cannot expect the sound immediately after you close your ears. You should concentrate and keep your mind one-pointed. The particular sound that you hear today, you may not hear every day. But you will hear any one of the ten Anahata sounds.

The description given above is Laya through Nada, Anahata sound. In the same manner, Laya can be effected by concentration at the tip of the nose (Nasikagra Drishti), at the space between the two eyebrows (Bhrumadhya Drishti), meditation on the five Tattvas, on Soham Mantra, Aham Brahma Asmi, Tat Tvam Asi Mahavakyas and other methods also.

great site about yoga and stuff :http://www.dlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm#_VPID_112

although this marg is not recommended by Guru Naanak ji , its good to have some information

its sad..

wahgeguruu.......

waheguru............

thnak u veer ji for doing this seva , this will help a lot of us .

A job well done ..

waheguru ..........

thts jokes ...............:D:D

waheguru...

its superb !!!!!!

beautiful !

Dhan Guru Nanak Tuhi Nirankar !!!!!!!!!!

ya once i was in malton gurudwara , and this guy who was doing kirtan and katha waas talking abt a kind of bhoot which could take up any form , even the form of bibian's husbands and screw them over

waheguru .......

exactly veer ji , u took the words right from my mouth