Amarjeet Singh_1737

nice I also like the other tisar panth blog http://tisarpanth.blogspot.co.uk/

Thats the blog, I will also talk with them about the over hyped synonyms etc.

Tisarpanth now has a website. Some interesting information and breathtaking pictures. You can contact the admins on their facebook page.

http://amar9569.wix.com/tisarpanth

I've started reading Kushwant Singh's book on Ranjit Singh and what I pull together to answer those question so far was Ranjit Singh was a descendent of someone who took amrit from Guru Gobind Singh known as Budh Singh. It appears the writer says Maharaja Ranjit Singh was also named Budh Singh early on and renamed. From his ancestor he left behind a great set of villages, they became protectors of the neighbouring villages and were paid for it. That village was name sukherchak the sardars which came from those who had raised a jatha of Sikhs became known as the shukarchakiyas. Ranjit Singh's father killed the father of his first wife who was from the kanhya misl and in a bid to take power Ranjit Singh was married off to the daughter of the Kanya Misl. Later on Ranjit Singh's misl hood which had grown into cities being taken over, were then challenged by the Ramgharia misl and he found the Kanhya misl were not strong enough so he married into the bhangi misl for their alliance.

It appears these misls all had similar beginings are probably came up after the fall of Banda Singh Bahadur's empire and their resolve only grew and grew. Until maharaja ranjit singh became infused with alcohol, lost trust in sikhs found more trust in the british. In that book above it carries onto say the maharaja showed his treasury to the british and he had never shown it to any other sikh. The maharaja seems to have inherited banda singh's idea but mixed in mughal practices and made it monarch based with a mixture of rehatnamas. We find stories of when he didn't listen to akali phoola singh on his marriage to a supposed muslim. Some say akali phoola singh ordered all sikhs not to respond to him or accept his regular donation to harmander, it was after he took a lashing punishment was it acceptable.

In one of the other books posted above one british writer said maharaja ranjit singh was a great diplomatic then the finest of british diplomats. But it seems all the books suggest he spent too much time drinking more then he should have.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ranjit-Singh-Maharaja-The-Punjab/dp/0143065432

Europeans often had this notion of casting any fellow advanced culture or race in a less than appeasing light. Look at the achievements of the Native Americans yet their image was cast as horse riding savages.

My guess is he might say Jagraj from the video is a separatist neo-anglo wishy washy udhooke sikh etc. and sikhs are a sect of hinduism. And there isn't nothing special about sikhs since it's all from hinduism and nothing is new within it which wasn't from hinduism. I can't find the mentions of daswandh from any hindu granth but we will probably hear charity is normal in hinduism donation box etc.

Maybe say that in hinduism it's okay for people to get revelation throughout and hindus today still do get it and Guru Nanak was a very good hindu. Might hear something about advaita if we are lucky and upanishads about adh sach etc.

Or we might hear something lifted straight from the gita along the lines of Krishna being the only supreme fount of Godhead and all others worshipping him in different ways. If we are lucky we might see Jagraj being cast as a Khalistani battling for destroying India and all it's Hindu entourage. All in all it will end with the usual damn you Singh-Sabha rhetoric. What happened to our old genocidal friend Ekomkaar by the way?

Check this out, this speaker answers a question is Sikhi a sect of Hinduism? at 00:41:46

You know as well as me what Sher is going to say.

From what I know Guru Nanak Dev Ji's direct descendant is Baba Sarabjot Singh Ji Bedi who is descended from Baba Dharam Chand Ji, the grandson of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

you have rigid notions. mass distortions by the likes of B Vir Singh have created a huge bubble and anyone who is threatened with bursting this comfort zone goes ballistic. you are no exception. Enjoy your Sukhpreet Udhokes and dhadhi jathas, you would not be able to face the true history.

Throwing a stone in the water will only get your own face wet. Your rigid concepts are purely antagonistic to any authentic notion at hand. Your raves lifted straight from the pages of the RSS, and other terrorists, who support and purport the despotism inscribed and advocated by the Vedas and other so-called scriptures, is a perpetual pain in your rectum. Thus, you have to pursue other unique systems and attempt to absorb them in order to veil your own miserable anachronisms.

I avoid Dasam Granth..i am against DG? what non-sense. Dasam Granth supports my assertion (Hindus-Sikhs were one community till Arya Samaj and Singh Sabha created a rift which continues to grow) in a massive way. Dasam Granth is testimony of the fact that the 10th Guru sahib was a devi-upasak. "Ram katha jug jug Atal". how can i oppose such a wonderful evidence?

My, my is Sanataan tradition based on superficial dictums? Because if so you are the chief priest.

His name was V.P Singh , his tenure was was barely from 89-90 when Janata Dal broke down and their govt was pulled down by BJP..And can you give me the source where he said that ?

See the interview with Dr. Subraniam Swami on youtube regarding 1984.

You sure do get that impression when you listen to songs like Jat di akaal followed by insurgents of that period

It's troublesome to think things like rats are avtars, if your home gets infested you can't kill them off. Worse yet when you consider a snake the avtar of shiv, what do you do to shiv shankar, bholanath, rudra, - let him bite you and kill your family?

In China they eat snake. Full feed for the entire family. Courtesy of your locally owned Bolenath diner.

Tch!Tch! amarjeet, gussa kamjori di nishani hai.

Oh and falsifying is not?

He seems genuine so far. A common man from the people for the people.

V.K. Singh from the Janta party also seemed the same. His own president pointed out that when Singh was reminded of the terrorism unleashed on Sikhs in the 80's and prior he circumvented the issue saying Rajiv Gandhi had helped him win votes, so how could he go against his party?

The funny thing is, according to many individuals on facebook Sher or Doaba Sher got banned and blocked from many pages, and individual profiles due to his anti-Dasam Granth rants. See here how he avoids the Dasam Granth in it's entirety and hinges his moots on ambiguous strata.

Pher ohi gal !!!! borrow ???? when you take anything that is lying in your house would you say you are 'borrowing' from your family ? Maalko Sikhi naal ang sang jud jaao..forget those people who are creating differences ..forget singh sabha ..or whatever you feel is creating the ridge ..ek bann jao..if you follow the Vedas ..read the Bani of Akaal Ustat sahib written by Guru Gobindsingh ji ...your troubles will be over ...all that is troubling you ...these differences ..you wont care ..i can promise you ..

Listen to Katha by Giani Thakur singh ji ..the way he narrates ..the way Giani Sant singh ji Maskeen narrated ..you will understand things more clear ..life will be easier for you ..

I am sorry but for Sher Gyani Thakur Singh is Taksal (created differences between his Hindu brethren and Sikhs touche) whereas Maskeen Ji is possibly a product of the Singh-Sabha and there was nothing Sanataan about that body.

If i were a fanatic for the faith i was born , I would have given you 1000 good things about Hinduism. But, fortunately, i am not a fanatic. i am not here to sell Hinduism to Khalsa, sikhs, namdharis, whatevers. if you find Hinduism reprehensible, fine by me. if u think it is bad because it does not have one single book, or one shrine or one God...that's still fine, that's your opinion and, unlike, fanatic, intolerant, supremacist

then why i am here, you may ask. valid question.

i am here because i am a true Sikh -as in student. I have a very curious mind which wants to learn more and more. i also want to share what i have learnt with others and, this is interesting, correct 1000s of myths which have come to be associated with Sikhism (which has been reduced to Jat owned Khalsaism). so call Hinduism bad, abuse Hindu deities i dont care but DO NOT give me distorted history esp the events from the last three decades. do not try to tell me your version of history is correct because you, a khalsa or pseudo-khalsa, have got some god-given right over truth.

Shut your face you demented form of a sociopath.

What is the difference between Jaap and Simran? What does one recite in each?

I am sorry Neo but this is all Tat Khalsa Karamkand as per Sher's perception unless of course he's willing to change it like his brothers in faith and label it as being 'Khalistani Propaganda.'

Here is a book that might help you out. Swami Ram Tirath Dandi Sanyasi were a learned Sanskrit Scholar and highly respected Hindu theologian, who later converted to Sikhism in his final years. You can read more about the Mahapurash ji on SikhiWiki: http://www.sikhiwiki...h_Dandi_Sanyasi

http://www.scribd.com/doc/67135918/Sarbottam-Dharam-Khalsa-Panth-Swami-Ram-Tirath-Dandi-Sanyasi

I am sorry he might label this as another Tat Khalsa attempt at destroying Sanataan Sikhism.

Sher's kind follow a divergent path where rather than spearheading reform with transparency, they are doing it subtly by claiming 'this is how it was back in the day. We have it right you don't.' What more can we say to the kind who don't have an inkling of what their own scriptures promote? Most Hindus say the Vedas purport laptops, light bulbs, etc; others say something different. Ambedkar got it right when he said that the Hindu faiths despotic achievements can be summed up by the ambiguity rife in it's scriptures.

Really nice reply, all I can ask is where did you here this from veer N30? And would you happen to have this purana and know where to get it? If Sikhi is connected to this purana then perhaps it has some relevance to us in our dharamisthanic libraries.

Fun question- how many puranas are there and why does the number seem countless, I thought puranas used to be one book.

Any theories on why the themes and tones drastically changed from the vedas to the puranas? Why were the gods all changed?

What word has been used to describe muslim rulers- if the puranas were written before the creation of muhammdenism? Malech raja?

Ambedkar was of the opinion that the lame excuse, 'the Vedas and Puranas were memorised orally and written down only a longtime afterward' was a lame excuse to veil the fact that they had been re-structured and polluted by high caste vagrants. And that would explain a lot.

Lets not bring other religious scriptures into this, this has nothing to do with vedas, upanishads and bhagvad gita.

I am sorry Neo but apne are always raising a hue and cry over the evils of semitism. Why then cannot we explore the world's oldest faith and see where this tradition of universal fanaticism arose from?

I approved your post to show everyone how true nazi scum you are.

This hate mongering inciting hatred statement of yours should be reported to M15, SCOTLAND YARD..!!!!!!!!!!!!..If cops were to approach, i will glady report your inciteful hatred comment against sikh community.

Personally speaking i m terrified you are a fuc king phd student abroad but then again most nut jobs are... cinema shooter in aurora, norway shooter, islamic terrorist are phd student and phd student in chemistry, you showed hindu terrorist are no different...so what is your next plan? are you planning to blow gurdwara in england? or proxy war with nazi kkk cult against us?

Can someone approach legal authorities in UK to report this scum?

This is what he learnt from the Vedas, Upanishads and the Bhagvad Gita. Even Krishna incited Arjuna to murder rather than resolve any situation peacefully and they blame Sikhs for being war mongers.

Personally I'm not shocked at this person's views at all. Before posting here, he and Sher(di khal vich Gidhar) were trying to act as if everything started with Sikhs carrying weapons, while pretending the Hindu extremists in Punjab were all innocent and peaceful. But when Singhs here put all the sequence of events in the right perspective and showed these two chors the mirror of reality, they then exploded with their real anti Sikh views. They could no longer hide it. What he has written here is exactly the kind of terrorists that Sant Jee had to deal with and exactly the kind of people that were dancing and distributing sweets after operation blue star.

I don't blame all Punjabi Hindus because vast majority of them are good people and are even following Sikh customs. But their leadership who were heavily influenced by Arya Samaj during the 1947 to the 1990 time period was extremely anti Sikh. They misled Punjabi Hindus into thinking Sikhs are the enemy and must be opposed by all means.

Hindu thought, as influenced by Vedic despotism (varna etc.) was always against any egalitarian socio-religious revolution as propounded by the Khalsa.

Check out this video; there wouldn't have been a suitable post to sniper him from, could you suggest the best point? Ramgharia bunga tower?- Bhindranwales men surrounded that area who were armed. Wouldn't they have been suspected by smuggling in the sniper unless it was done in a clever manner. What about the sniper escaping without being killed. But bhindranwales men would have seen that. It reminds me of the days of playing Golden Eye on the N64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhP1aZNqM3Y

Each case is always bound to be different.

I think the problem of using a sniper on bhindranwale is getting a post to actually aim at him from, there would have not been much time for that person to easily escape. To get an aim into the akal takht or dabar sahib requires a high post. Had it been a sniper from a helicopter or aeroplane, the stability is a question and it's likely bhindranwale would have moved out of the way. Also shooting someone isn't a guarantee that person is dead, had he been merely injured his men would have taken him forth for treatment and the issue would have grown. Having watched another documentary it seems much of the discrimination grew after the akali dal demanded autonomy for punjab- apparently indira gandhi's resolve for this was to marginalize sikhs, perhaps in attempts to quiet them down.

Also taking out the brain of the operation doesn't work let's go with previous scenarios where the main leader has been taken out in most historical movements usually they are replaced by someone else, maybe the second in command. Bhindranwale could have been replaced maybe by people who went to form insurgent groups or a student of his. That is the view point the strategy to take him out. Sher's option of just dropping a bomb would have had huge consequences. Inclusive of radiation poisoning to Hindus surrounding the complex.

Thanks for the suggestion I will try and get that book. By the way do you know the name of the book which khushwant dedicates on this subject. Is there a book which khushwant uses his famous phrase " He fought back like a tiger"?

I have heard an interview where Khushwant says that, but if were to employ military perceptions a sniper and a swift follow up offensive would have been extremely efficient. Yet if we look at the motive, there was really nothing strong which commandeered such an attack in the first place. But here's something I got from the times of India. Take a look at it.

VIKRAM JIT SINGH

At a time when details about Britain's role in Indira Gandhi's criminal actions in 1984 are coming out, two top field commanders of the Indian Army at Amritsar during the operation have very contrasting views on the merits of the assault that led to heavy casualties.

Maj Gen Jamwal, who commanded the 15 Infantry Division headquartered at Amritsar, has held that the operation was not only "badly-planned'' but suffered from the fatal error of launching a "frontal assault that went straight into the muzzle of the Sikh resistance fighters".

Now settled in Jammu, Maj Gen Jamwal says that revelations of the British Special Air Service being involved in Bluestar was "absolute bunk". Delving on the operation, Maj Gen Jamwal said: "The wrong direction of the assault planned by Maj Gen Brar was exposed when the 10 Guards declared over the radio that they could not move forward at all. If I had my way, we should have gone in for attack from the West."

On the other hand, Brar, who was promoted to Lt Gen for his ignominy, said from Mumbai: "Maj Gen Jamwal is a bitter, jealous man. His division was in Amritsar and he should have been given the task on the Golden Temple but I was given the responsibility. His men knew the Temple whereas we had to plan everything from scratch as we were inducted from Meerut. He is upset about that.''

Asked about the specific instances of failure detailed by Maj Gen Jamwal, Brar said: "I don't want to comment beyond that. There is obviously something lacking in Maj Gen Jamwal that he did not make it beyond Maj Gen rank.''

Maj Gen Jamwal, whose division was tasked to guard the borders against a Pakistani Army incursion, states that Maj Gen Brar was going in to attack without any reserves. "I told Lt Gen Dyal this and on that, two companies from my division were ordered to be placed under Maj Gen Brar, who was commanding the 9 Infantry Division,'' states Maj Gen Jamwal, whose 15 Division was primarily tasked to guard the border against a Pakistani Army incursion.

Interestingly, both the generals were together as young officers after being commissioned into the 1 Maratha Light Infantry. It was a badly and hastily planned and executed operation on the Golden Temple.

"I told Maj Gen Brar this before the operation commenced but he told me that he had been given direct orders by Lt Gen K. Sundarji, the then Western Army Commander. I told Maj Gen Brar that when things will go wrong, it will be your neck in the noose not that of Lt Gen Sundarji's,'' Maj Gen Jamwal said.

When the operation got bogged down during the early hours of June 6, Maj Gen Jamwal reveals that Maj Gen Brar was in a panic and his voice over the radio betrayed that. Brar had forgotten there were reserves available. He was heard over the radio to the 10 Guards saying 'what should I do ... get something done'.

When reminded of the reserves available on the radio by then Deputy GOC, 15 Division, Col. Dewan, Maj Gen Brar ordered the reserves into battle, which were two companies of the 9 Garhwal Rifles. The reserves played a decisive role,'' he said.

Maj Gen Jamwal reveals that he ordered his troops to fire an anti-tank shell into a wall of the Akal Takth but the misdirected shell hit the Sikh Reference Library and it burst into flames. Delving further into Maj Gen Brar's revelation that 20 shells were fired from tanks onto the Akal Takht, Maj Gen Jamwal reveals that some of these shells overshot and landed in areas behind the Golden Temple including their own army positions.

Maj Gen Jamwal was posted out of Amritsar after the operation and went on to command the Delhi Area. He testified in 2005 before the Nanavati Commission probing the anti-Sikh pogrom that the Union Home Minister had not given him directions to move the Army into the areas hit by the pogroms of Delhi till the evening of November 1, 1984.

Maj Gen Jamwal confirmed that a section of troops of 26 Madras had indulged in looting in the Golden Temple and that the battalion's Commanding Officer had been severely admonished by him and ordered to return the goods. He also brings out that after the operation, two Indian Army officers of the rank of Maj Gen visited him and asked him to liquidate the surrendered militants in the custody of 15 Division, to which Maj Gen Jamwal offered a blunt rejection. I told them I am a general of the Indian Army, not a butcher,'' said Maj Gen Jamwal.

No post-operation assessment / discussion in the higher command, action taken report or inquiry was undertaken on Bluestar, reveals Maj Gen Jamwal.

[Courtesy: Times of India.]

January 16, 2014