singhjasbeer

PAL 07,

Thanks so much for the video, and our guru sahib summarizes the entire discussion of heaven and hell in one line... but despite after so many clearifications about it's REAL existence by so many sages and Sri Guru Granth Sahib , I fail to understand why in Sikh jagat it is never accepted , I know that it shouldn't be a part our regular discussions as a Sikh is expected to rise above these planes of existences and to be a part of the permanent abode of Sachkhand, but still whenever if there is any discussion it is many times rejected as utterly rubbish.. and shouldn't be part of discussions

N30 Singhji, nice to hear from you , though new on this forum but I keep on reading your posts and viewpoint

Well, nontheless reply has come from a right person , with right perspective.. thank u so much for your reply

A debate which causes havoc amongst the believers and non
believers alike, but it is fierce and at the same time confusing when it’s
concerning Sikh community. Yes, it’s the old Hell-Heaven debate that I am
talking about. Whenever I am concerned with the topic and I happen to turn
towards my religious philosophers and Gyanis. But I get conflicting views , unsatisfied answers
and sometimes utter rejection. But when I refer to religious texts and our
beloved Guru Granth Sahib. I get more satisfactory and vivid answer. On that
basis here I want to express my viewpoint and it’s stable & clear that they
do exist for real.

Let me take two frequent viewpoints that I come across
whenever I refer to Heaven and Hell. First, being the Spiritual State of Mind
also called as Avasthaa and second as enjoyments endured in this Human Life. I
will take them in detail. Please read it patiently and carefully.

At first point of discussion it is always famously stated as
Heaven as a state of being in the eternal bliss of god and hence enjoying nearness
to Akal Purakh. Simultaneously, Hell is a state of being far from almighty and
hence getting trapped in the bodily endeavors of panj vikaars and leading a
life of hassles , untruthfulness.

My take on this viewpoint is that the argument may be true partially but it’s other way
round not as described by many scholars and gianis like above , it’s the real
life of heaven or hell which is for real , yes real , a part of which can be
experienced here on this earthly plane . Traditionally heaven is described as a
plane of existence where only happiness is there no pains , no remorse , no
crying only enjoyment in the astral body while hell being the plane where guilty
is punished badly. But India’s religious viewpoints go a step further and
describe it as a temporary plane of existence which a soul achieves due to it’s
karma and when the fruits of karma is worked out souls come back to the Earthly
plane to continue their journey towards Akal Purakh a few ones with a lot of
naam kamai (earning of name of god) can continue to rise further without the
need to come back to earth. Hence hell heaven are not the ultimate destination
which souls must thrive to achieve as pointed by some schools of thought. All
must thrive to achieve the ultimate destination that’s the abode of Akal Purakh
known as Sach Khand (Realm of truth).

This truth can be ascertained from Guru Granth Sahib too,
guru sahib has indeed mentioned heaven and hell and their respective state of
being far too many times in many Angs , but one baani of Asa Di Var is more than
enough to verify that they are for real and particularly rejecting the above
point of view.

Ha▫o vicẖ ā▫i▫ā ha▫o vicẖ ga▫i▫ā.

In ego man comes, in ego he
departs.

Ha▫o vicẖ jammi▫ā ha▫o vicẖ mu▫ā.

In ego they are born, and in ego
they die.

….

….

Ha▫o vicẖ narak surag avṯār.

In ego they go to heaven or hell.

Now, any believer who
contemplates on the above wordings he/she will have to agree that they are for
real as they can’t go against Guru Sahib. It is for them who think that how hell
heaven is a spiritual nearness and separateness from God , now a gursikh is taught
a basic thing that more he sheds his ego , removes pride the more near he will
go the Almighty Lord and result will be shown in his karma and activities. Each
one knows that it is true and hence can’t be contradicted but if the first
concept of heaven and hell is to be taken then we find that “In ego one goes to
heaven” , wow.. literally meaning that one is getting near to god by living in
ego, so Gursikho what’s the need to shed ego , remain in ego and go near near
to god, now isn’t it sounding absurd?? Another thing that the last word “Avatar”
is signifying the astral body, so no one can argue that it’s talking about next
human birth.. Guru sahib could have used word like sareer, avastha.. the lines
before and after these shabads are signifying the life and activities of Human
beings , so that signifies that it is too related to Human beings.

So my humble request to all,
please remove the misconceptions of Heaven and hell from mind (if you have any)accept
it as a reality to come afterlife and but a Gursikh always thrive for further spiritual rise hence
surpassing states of Hell heaven and reaching the abode of Akal Purakh.

Speaking on the second one , when
one says that it is the enjoyments which one endures in human life then with
all due respect I have to say that those Sikhs themselves are promoting the
Manmukhi (materialness) Avasthaa. It is just like justifying the Islamic
concept of heaven (again that’s spoken against by Sikhs & non Sikhs alike)
but in earthly context. E.g. more you honor Allah , the more hooris & paris
you will get , the more you abstain from drinking more wine you will get in
heaven and indirectly those Sikhs themselves are endorsing this but in this
Human Life. In that manner we may come to a conclusion that all developed
countries , all rich-kids, all millionaires are enjoying heaven , while the
unfortunate ones living in Dharaavi , slums , war torn countries are living in
hell. Well if that would have been true there was no need for Mahatama Buddha
to leave his palatial house for the search of truth neither there was a need
for Guru Nanak to leave his home and go on so many Udaasis for spreading the
message of truth they all must have thought that it’s a heaven that we have achieved hence we are near to
god what’s the need. Neither there would have been any need for many Westerners
to leave their developed nation and come as far as to India and parts of Asia
to adopt the means of truthful life & peace. Same goes for poor , underprivileged
ones.. gursikhs must remember that those same financially poor went on to become
Sant Kabir, Baba Namdev , Sant Ravidass , yes those same highly evolved souls
whose sayings have been recorded in Guru Granth Sahib if their bodily & financial condition
could have been a living hell how could they have remembered lord in such a
definite & in a loving way. Again it is true when we say that people on
earth create Heaven-Like situation , Hell-like situation we have to agree those
planes of existence are there that’s why the comparison takes place , similarly
like in India when we say "oh see those Roads look like America, that beautiful
area resembles Canada , xyz like the London" it’s not just our mere imagination
we know that it’s for real and people/frequent travelers tells us like that ,
same goes for many gurus who are taking birth since ages and enlighting us with
their god blessed wisdom.

I will be pleased to have views of other gurshikhs here.. Thanking you.. bhul chuk maaf...