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Eyewitness - attack on Sri Darbar Sahib.
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JSB would have been eliminated much earlier and secondly, Op Blue star would not have been such a disaster.
You mean to say Sri Darbar Sahib would still have been attacked ? You have shown your anti-Sikh and anti-Faith views for the n time.
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Are you denying these terrorism acts?
Are you denying state sponsored terror crimes?
About the events before June 1984, try this link:
http://indiansaga.com/history/postindependence/terrorism.html
No. You provided the list of killings which you have labeled on "Khalistanis". All I am asking is how many do you see before 1984, in the list that you have provided.
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BRUTAL MASS-KILLINGS BY KHALISTANI TERRORISTS - Partial List
(This tabulation of ghastly massacres at the hands of Khalistani terrorists is incomplete, to a large extent.)
Date Place Description of the Incident
Year 1983
Oct. 1983 Dhilwan 6 Hindu bus passangers killed.
Oct. 21, 83 Gobindgarh Massacre of rail passengers.
Year 1984
Sep. 12, 84 Batala 8 hindu bus passengers killed
June 22, 84 Irish sea Air India Boeing 747 blasted by omb, all 329 passengers killed.
Year 1986
Feb. 86 Nakodar 15 persons killed and many injured in indiscriminate firing.
March 6,86 Kapurthala Many innocent persons killed in indiscriminate firing.
March 28,1986 Ludhiana 13 people (Hindus) killed in indiscriminate firing in Dresi ground
March 29,1986 Mallian 20 innocent labourers killed (Jalandhar)
July 25,1986 Mukatsar 15 Hindu bus passengers gunned down.
Oct. 31,1986 Ludhiana 8 migrant and local industrail workers, all hindus, gunned down in indiscriminate firing on Daba road.
Nov. 30, 1986 Khudda 24 Hindu bus passengers gunned down.
Year 1987
July 87 Lalru 80 bus pessengers killed in Fatehabad on three Haryana Roadways buses.
Aug. 6, 1987 Jagdev Kalan 13 Hindus gunned down. (Majitha)
Sep. 28,1987 Alawalpur 5 killed and 8 injured, firing near Geetha Bhawan. (Jalandhar)
Oct. 20,1987 Delhi 12 persons shot dead at various places in Delhi on Diwali day.
Year 1988
Jan. 15,1988 Dhadial Nijhran 8 members of a family including 2 women and 3 children killed in this village near Batala.
Feb. 19,1988 Bombs exploded by Babbar Khalsa at Gurdaspur, Hoshiarpur and Patiala. 12 person killed, over 50 injured.
March 2,1988 Bhaian 8 members of a family killed. (Verowal)
March 3,1988 Kahri sahri 35 persons shot dead, 50 others injured, indiscriminate firing at a festival gathering. (Hoshiarpur)
March 31,1988 Theh Rajbah 18 members of a Rajput family shot dead at village theh Rajbah under police station (Patti) Harike, Sub- division Patti in Amritsar distt.
April 2,88 Ramgam 6 persons masssacred in this village under P.S. Gharinda. 18 more persons killed in other (Amritsar) parts of Pinjab
May 15,88 40 persons gunned down, 100 others injured in different incidents at Samana, Patiala, Jalandhar and Mukerian
May 16,1988 26 killed (3 member of a family, 3 bus passengers and 20 others) in Amritsar, Ludhiana, Jalandhar and Gurdaspur.
May 17,1988 Kharar 35 labourers killed
May 24,1988 Dhaliwal 6 members of a family massacred. (Nakodar)
June 19,1988 Kurukshetra 15 persons blown to pieces when a bomb exploded at a TV shop during the TV serial Ramayana's telecast.
June 25,1988 Moga 26 RSS volunteers killed. 22 injured in an indiscriminate firing in Nehru Park.
Sept. 7,1988 Rure Aasal 15 rail passengers killed, 25 injured at Rure Aasal Riy. Station near Khem Karan in Amritsar district.
Nov. 1,1988 Pathankot Bomb blast in a Jammu-bound bus, many killed or injured.
Nov. 1988 Majaat 32 Migrant labourers working on SYL Canal gunned down
Nov. 3.1988 Sufianwala 11 bus passengers killed by a BTFK gang. alighting them from a Dera Baba Nanak bound bus killed all Hindus.
Nov. 4,1988 Lodhuwal 19 labourers shot dead at Govt. seed farm Lodhuwal. (Ludhiana)
Nov. 1988 Batala 25 persons killed in a bomb blast in Chakkri bazar. Sirhind Indiscriminate firing in bazar, many killed.
Pathankot Bomb blast near a tempo overloaded with passengers. Many including a woman killed.
Nov. 22,1988 Kaithal 25 persons massacred. 37 others injured. (Haryana)
Nov. 22.1988 Batala 22 persons killed, many injured in indiscriminate firing in bazar on the eve of Guru Nanak birthday.
Dec., 1988 Makhu 7 Hindu passengers kidnapped from a Chandigarh bound bus and killed.
Dec. 7,1988 Gujran 5 members of a marriage party killed in indiscriminate firing at Gujran on Zeera-Makhu road.
Year 1989
May 21,1989 Chakk Kania 7 members of a family, including a CPI (M) leader Comrade Dalip Singh massacred.
BaggaKalan 4 members of a family killed.
Aug. 27,1989 Kabarwala Indiscriminate firing for 50 mintues on a train at Kabarwala, station, dozens shot dead. (Abohar)
Oct. 5, 1989 Kandhwala 5 members of a family shot dead. (Fazilka)
Nov. 1989 Patiala 19 Hindu students massacred in Thapar Engg. College who had come from other states to participate in a youth festival.
Year 1990
Jan. 19,1990 Bahmanwal 8 massacred including 6 Hindus (Majitha)
March 7,1990 Abohar 32 shot dead in indiscriminate firing in crowded bazar.
March 19,1990 Talwandi Bhai 14 persons shot dead.
March 19,1990 Chandigarh 6 persons killed, 27 injured in a bomb blast. Nawan Shahar 11 persons killed in a bomb blast.
April 3,1990 Batala 36 persons killed in a bomb bias.
April 19,1990 Pathankot 15 pessengers killed, 40 injured in a bomb blast in a bus.
May 28,1990 Ferozepur 13 Bihari labourers shot dead
May 30,1990 Talwandi Bhai 10 persons massacred
June 4,1990 Patiala 8 including 6 children killed in a bomb explosion, 30 injured.
July 15,1990 Taredan 8 members of a family gunned down in village Taredan under (Mamdot) Mamdot police station.
July 30,1990 Bidar 35 killed, 30 injured in a bomb explosion in a local cinema hall. (Karnatka)
Aug. 8,1990 Ludhiana 9 gunned down in indiscriminate firing.
Nov. 5,1990 Batala 9 Hindu passengers shot dead in a Batala-Jalandhar bus.
Nov. 9,1990 Batala 5 Hindus shot dead after alighting them from vehicles on Batala-Pathankot highway.
Nov. 12,1990 Kothe Lal Singh 8 Hindus killed by KCF (Zafarwal) gang. (Bathinda)
Nov. 15,1990 Ferozepur 7 Hindu passengers of a bus going from Ferozepur to Dharamkot shot dead.
Nov. 17,1990 Killianwali 11 RSS workers killed in indiscriminate firing on morning assembly. (Dabwali)
Nov. 20,1990 Amritsar 12 killed in a massacre
Nov. 22,1990 Chandigarh 16 Hindus killed after alighting from two buses near Parhol.
Nov. 24,1990 Patti 5 Hindus shot dead
Nov. 25,1990 Jalandhar 15 shot dead in indiscriminate firing.
Nov. 26,1990 Ludhiana 5 members of a hindu family shot dead on Daba road.
Year 1991
Dec. 13,1991 Sedeke 5 Hindu passengers shot dead in Sedeke village near Guru Harsahai
Jan. 8,1991 Gill 14 Hindu kidnapped from different places, shot dead at village Gill near Ludhiana.
March 22,1991 Chandigarh 30 employees of Punjab Tractors Ltd. Foundry, all Hindus, shot dead.
April, 9,1991 Sewewala 18 activists shot dead 22 injured, indiscriminate firing on front gethering.
June 15,1991 Baddowal, 75 train passengers shot dead by KLF. Kila Raipur
Nov. 9,1991 Sirsa 16 persons, all Hindus, shot dead
Nov. 9,1991 Faridkot 7 family members shot dead in a village in Faridkot district.
Nov. 17,1991 Rudarpur(U.P.) 12 persons shot dead.
Dec. 19,1991 Ludhiana 12 killed in a bomb blast in Bharat Nagar Chowk
Dec. 26,1991 Sohian 32 rail passengers shot dead at Sohian railway crossing in Ludhiana district.
Jan. 8, 1992 Kharar 21 industrial workers shot to death. Kup Kalan
Jan. 15, 1992 Dhanaula 5 electricity employees gunned down at grid station.
Jan. 17, 1992 Samana 7 persons killed in a bomb blast
March 10-20 Ghabdan 75 persons gunned down in 4 separate incidents. Ludhiana,
Ahmedgarh Factory workers from outside state at Ghabadan, general people in indiscriminate shoot out twice in Ludhiana and once in Mandi Ahmedgarh.
June 25,1992 Kila Raipur 9 Hindus gunned down
July 13,1992 Bassian 7 Hindus, gunned down.
July 14,1992 Bathinda 7 Hindus, 5 Sweepers and 2 migrant workers gunned down in sporadic shoot out.
May 2,1992 Kadarvaad 7 members of a family among 8 killed in village Kadarvaad, police district Majitha.
May 3,1992 Sadarpur 10 persons killed, 3 injured in village Sadar pur, district Karnal. (Haryana)
Some one has worked really hard it seems to compile this list. Partial list? Why not full? Half truth is a lie, but what else to expect from you. You constantly fail to see the state sponsored crimes.
I will give some food to your thoughts -
How many do you read in this list BEFORE the attack on Sri Darbar Sahib?
Here is just one instance of the thousands of innocent Sikhs silently killed in Punjab post 1984 by the Indian government (you can read it by majority Hindu government if you like):
In this video, what is sad is that the family is looking for justice from the same Indian government/system that has been responsible for these crimes. Classic case of how the pathetic & useless Indian government is.
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Mahagyaniji, the sentence can be interpreted both ways.
An ancient Sikh Gurudwara at Har ki pauri - Haridwar (Uttrakhand) was demolished in1984, which was built there in sweet memory of visit of Guru Nanak Dev ji at the bank ofriver Ganges in 15th century at this sacred place,
That's the way you see it, not me or anyone else here. So you just read "which was built there" and then jumped to "in 15th century"? As Amar has indicated, you do not want to accept truth. Everything mentioned in http://gurudwarademolished.blogspot.in is true. Problem is that you are so clogged up with hate that you lack common sense and have become delusional.
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Gurdwara built in 15th century!!!
Read the statement again you clown.
It reads that Guru Nanak Dev Ji "visited" in 15th century.
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Guru sahiban di thekedari chadd...hawa aaun de thodi
Dodging and running away from facts is not going to help you, Mr. cut-paste-history-crook-and-distortionist. Vekhee jaa tu hoon ...
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Mr intolerant fanatic,
Intolerance to hate. Absolutely ANY random reference to Guru Sahibs from you and I will ensure that you are out of here ... forever.
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same betrayal happened to Guru Gobind Singh ji when he was stabbed by two muslims living close to him.
No co-relation to what is being discussed. I think you were warned to keep any references Guru Sahibs out of your comments if you do not understand the Sikh historical contexts. You are again cunningly try to inject hate. If I notice anything similar going forward I am going to have ask to have indefinitely keep you out.
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Aurangzeb is considered the worst of the Muslim rulers/invaders as far as forcible conversion and genocide of Hindus and Sikhs is concerned. Guru Sahibzadas were living in his court (Ram Rai) and he decided who would become the Guru. the infant G harikishan was ordered to be present in his court to resolve the dispute over Gurugaddi and he died there. Next Guru sahib was part of the Mughal army which invaded a brave Hindu king of Assam (and failed).
Provide COMPLETE historical facts providing references to Guru Sahibs, else refrain from stating anything if you do not understand Sikh history and if it is beyond your capability to understand.
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president of India after Operation BlueStar
Gyani Zail Singh was the president during Operation BlueStar, not "after".
One comment I would like to make as a general observation on this forum. I think anyone adhering to Sikh beliefs and way of life is a son, daughter of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. Our lineage begins and ends with our guru. Anyone thinking otherwise is surely misguided.
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Move on now.
That would be you.
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I would urge you and the other members of the chest-thumping (chest-beating when they are not busy making untenable claims) brigade to desist from personal attacks and to make contributions others may learn from.
The contributions being made by others are well worth learning from. But you .. you are here only for your anti-Sikh agenda. In fact the discussions were constructive until you showed up in this forum and started spewing your bottled up hate. You have mastered the art of hijacking threads in your typical cunning ways, derail and then start you anti-Sikh and anti-Khalsa rants.
I would writing this after taking a strong look at myself and would also apologise to you and others for my outburst.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt.
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Personal attacks so ignored. as far as the quoted text is concerned, i reproduced as printed in the book published in the earlier 20th century. It (the quoted text) is also irrelevant to the topic so can be ignored. stop hijacking threads ONLY to attack me personally.
"hijacking threads"? I think you should give a strong look at yourself regarding this. I have made my point.
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I would be honest here.
You never are.
I am seething with anger.
You are angry at yourself. Anger is not a good sign ... for you.
I spent my precious time going through 19th century books and reproduced the original text
Your original texts speak "— Like the Mani j)ttri/;a7ia of Mahi^rnja Ranji't Singh of 7th Asauj" which I don't think people understand.
and here this f*#&wit
So you have decided to show your real self.
about showing respect to the original topic!!!
You don't want to show respect to the topics and discussion here? Let the mods hear that.
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My apologies to all other posters, for going off topic here, but I think this is needed.
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According to a book titled:
A glossary of the tribes and castes of the Punjab and North-West frontier province.Based on the census report for the Punjab, 1883, by the late Sir Denzil Ibbetson ... and the census report for the Punjab, 1892, by Sir Edward Maclagan ... and compiled by H.A. Rose
You may find this extract interesting and relevant to your research -
BHAT9.A. — Like the Mani^r, Banjdra and others the Bhdtrd, is a pedlar.
He claims Brahman origin, and his traditions say that one Mddho
Mai, a Brahman rishi, a singer and a poet, once loved and wedded
Kd,m Kundala, a dancing gii-1. From this pair are descended the
Madhwas or Bhdtras.* The latter word appears to be a diminutive
of the Sanskrit bhatta, a bard. However this may be, a curious
legend accounts for the Bh4trd,s' location in the Punidb and their
conversion to Sikhism. Madho was born and died in Ceylon,T but
in the reign of Babar, GuriJ N^nak visited that island, and there
made a disciple of Changa Bha^ra, a descendant of Mddho. The
Adi Granth records that 20 maunds of salt a day were required for
Changa's numerous followers, many of whom were converted to
Sikhism and followed Guru Nd,nak back to India.
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♦ This tradition is said to be preserved in the Mahabharata and Singh 4 san Batisi. In a
j)ttri/;a7ia of Mahi^rnja Ranji't Singh of 7th Asauj, 1866 Sambat, and now in the possession
of a Bhatra of Dhariwil, the Madhwas w^ere exempted from the grazing tax.
t A Sikh temple, known as Dera Baba, was built in Ceylon to the Guru's memory at the
Madhw4s' original home.
unquote
Interestingly, in another book with the same title but published by Rose, it is mentioned (page 688) that a Brahmin named Misra Jwala Parashad was looking after the Colombo sangat which was at Colombo fort in Colombo.The same paragraph also mentions a Sindhi firm Topan Singh Mothuwal who are stated to be in Ceylon (modern day Sri Lanka) even before the times of GND. "Their head office is in karachi and their munsi or agent in Colombo Gopal das by name, is still known to be a good Sikh"
I hope this information helps
"— Like the Mani^r, " ??, "j)ttri/;a7ia of Mahi^rnja Ranji't Singh of 7th Asauj"?? what is all this?
"unquote"? Where is the "quote"? Was this a cut and paste in haste?
Do not force yourself to comment without without showing some respect to the original topic. Remember that.
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Everyday, in Punjab and other Gurdwaras some kathavachaks give fiery and denigrating speeches. who has stopped them from spewing such rotten pieces of oratory?
Narration of Sikh history, either by singing or in speeches, is integral to Sikh faith and culture. You don't like it, plug your ears. Also by referring as "rotten pieces of oratory", you have only reiterated your hatred towards Sikhs.
JSB's gems like "i would kill 5,000 Hindus...topiwale..bahmani..dhotianwale...lalla..narakdhari..keep illegal weapons...kill anti-sikh people and i would give you refuge...kill Gurbachan singh and i would weigh you in gold..." are well-recorded. Current jathedar (of damadama?) nandgarh openly asked for the head of Sacha sauda to be cut...no action.
It is a well know fact that SantJi's movement for Sikh rights and interests was hijacked by the government to give it a totally different form and to put in the seeds of separation between Hindus and Sikhs. Santji's fight was with the Indian government and not with the common person. Also his speeches have been read and interpreted in a totally different context (as is by you) to suit personal justification. Listen to his speeches and numerous times he says he will "give his head" if he is proven wrong. Why don't you also talk about this? You know that when you just talk half truth, it is a lie anyway. Now if he did give "fiery" speeches, the "majority community (of India)" had to get back and murder thousands of innocents?
yes, such venom is allowed only to the majority community of Punjab.
"venom" ? People clearly know where the venom is coming from. Just take a look at all your posts here and you will (or maybe not) understand.
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the fiery speech
What happened to your freedom of speech? Or is it only for the "majority community"?
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Hahaha! and two body-bags too
?Elaborate please. "cat" got your tongue??
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"compliment to the majority community" ?? ... Can you be more specific? Just throw out the word.
"As far as the personal attack on me is concerned, this is the best characters like onPath can do. I would dismiss it with just word - pathetic."
I thought I was being polite to call you a clown.
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- democracy
The same democratic system that mass murders innocents? India is/has been a failed democracy. It is just a democratic illusion. It has been limping forward by the sheer goodwill of some of it's folks and that we can call a miracle if we must, but please do not call India a democracy.
- sikhs are seen favourably in the media (this change is now visible in bollywood)
Can you please provide some recent examples specifically in reference to Sikhs? Also, for Sikhs I think it is better to see how you "see yourself" (follow the guidelines of Gurmat) rather then relying on media brainwashing.
- sikhs don't face racism back home as they do in western countries
VeerJi, I think here you maybe 100% wrong. It is the "good in people" that makes them feel that there is no racism in India, but believe me it exists very much.
Just try to show your pride in being a Sikh (in India) and see how you may start rubbing the people on the wrong side (also evident from this forum). Yes, it also may also exists in west but the west seems more tolerant in general. Also the challenges in the west may be different, but may exist nonetheless.
- turbans have good image in india and turbaned people (read: sikhs, Sardar ji) are respected, no such thing exists in the west
Sikhs generally have been respected because of their high ideals and moral standards. Remember respect is not given, it is earned. India wants to keep "giving" (as someone here wants to "give" leadership to Sikhs) respect so that Sikhs are happy "receiving" it. Is this what you want?
West has it's own challenges possibly, which seems to be changing slowly as people have started learning who Sikhs are.
- our culture is much stronger in India, very diluted in teh west
Maybe yes, but just due to the number of Sikhs in India. But in the west there seems to be genuine appreciation of our culture. In fact I can say a lot of revivalism to appreciate our culture may be coming from the diaspora Sikhs.
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Sikh Extermism Terrorism Detailed Exposed
in Sikhs Against Global Extremism
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Brar was a hand-picked hollow puppet.