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On 11/2/2020 at 1:05 PM, PCSJZ said:
Wjkk wjkf
I have a question that I need some help on. We hear that a real Gurmukh treats everyone the same and shows no impartiality to different people as they see Waheguru in all.
What then if you think you are experiencing this? As in you feel that a Gurmukh is treating you differently to others which leaves you feeling a little upset? I appreciate that our avastha is not high enough to understand what a Gurmukh is thinking but still any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Hope the question is clear and not confusing.
Wjkk Wjkf
Brother,
I do follow what you are trying to say.
And as you have asked for an opinion, I will give you mine.
Just imagine, a classroom with a teacher and his students. To those who are a bit less intelligent or attentive, he makes them sit in the front line, so that they could be more attentive to the lessons taught by him, while to those who are more sharp intellectualy, he makes them sit in the back rows, for he knows wherver they sit, they can easily grasp the teachings, yet that does not mean that he cares less for them.
You see, a true Gurmukh is not something physical, he is more a spiritual being than what we can perceive.
So, if he is a Gurmukh, and he has to give you something, he can give it to you even if we are 7 seas far away physically from him.
For example Prithi Chand, was a son and a brother to 2 Guru sahiban, stayed under the same roof with them, had Their darshan most of the time, yet his wickedness had no limits.
And there were sikh disciples of both 4 th and 5th Patshaeeya, who were quite distant from them, yet they were blessed with such love and faith in Them, that They were considered Akal Purkh by those sikhs. Physical nearness or distance is irrelevant, when it comes in terms of these Holy people, for if they have to give you something, they will give it you wherever you are, on the contrary, one may be behind them as shadows, and if they have nothing to give, you will never get it by physical nearness.
So you see, we should not be much affected of how they deal with others, our main aim should be, that, if we have once identified Them as Gurmukhs by Their grace/kirpa, we should rather keep an eye ourselves and see if our love, faith and affection for them has not suffered any decrease in quality.
That is it.
As a sample, the below 2 verses from the Bani, describe the reality of the spiritual heights of Gurmukhs, Sant Jan, Bhagat Jan:
ਮੋ ਕਉ ਦੀਜੈ ਦਾਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸੰਤਨ ਪਗ ਰਾਲ ॥੨॥
Mo Ko Dheejai Dhaan Prabh Santhan Pag Raal ||2||
Bless me, O God, with the gift of the dust of the feet of the Saints. ||2||
ਜਗਤ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਸਾਧ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਲਾਗਹੁ ਪਾਲ ॥
Jagath Oudhhaaran Saadhh Prabh Thinh Laagahu Paal ||
God's Holy people are the saviors of the world; I grab hold of the hem of their robes.
Raag Bilaaval Guru Arjan DevSSA.
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21 hours ago, sarabatam said:
Gurfateh all, whats the difference between IkOngkar and Ikangkar?
Brother,
if it could be helpful somehow, following is some information which I found on the net and would like to share with the sangat here.
Different words for the same and different ideas. Ekankar is a simplified version of other
words which can also have slightly different meanings and across different teachings.This post is a bit rough and covers a lot of ground. However given the refs and the subject matter I think it's still worth posting. Someone might find it just the ticket one day for their own research.
I suppose and title could be "don;t make rash assumptions. Ideas come from Knowledge, both inner and outer imho, in balance. Helps to get the basic knowledge accurate first, as hard as that can be sometimes. Wrong information leads to premature and incorrect conclusions.
During the time of Nanak and the establishment of Sikhism various languages and semantics
developed for the symbol ? , pronounced Ek Onkar, is the symbol that is used to represents the
"One Supreme Reality" or "One God."Ik Onkar (Gurmukhi: ?, ??? ??????; Ikk Oankar Punjabi pronunciation: [?k? o??ka?]) is the
symbol that represents the One Supreme Reality and is a central tenet of Sikh religious
philosophy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ik_OnkarIt has been represented as, or confused with, variant phrases such as:
Ik Onkar,
Ik Ong Kar,
Ik Oankaar,
Ek Oankar,
Ek Oankaar,
Ek Aumkaar,
Ek Onkar,
Ek Ong Kar,
Ek Om Kar,
EK-ANKAR,
Ekankar,
Ekankaar,
Ekangkar,
Ekanakar and others.These words don't necessarily mean the same thing, and can vary in meaning in different contexts.
But Marman suggests in his book:
"Sukhmani should be of particular interest to modern day followers of Eckankar, Sant Mat, and
Radhasoami. The connection with Eckankar is especially strong. The Sukhmani opens with this
line: "Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad."This means: "The One Reality - realized through the grace of the True Guru."
Some translations spell it this way: "Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad."
http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/sukhmani-the-secret-of-inner-peace/
I can't see other translations spelling it that way. Though sometimes 'Ek Onkar' could be
spelled 'Ekankar' they don't use the latter in this mantra. However no one else except Marman seems to spell it that way, so it's probably not correct.Search for this Marman phrase of "Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad" (placing the "exact phrase" in
quotes) Google search which gives the following 6 results:
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q="Ekankar+Sat+Guru+Prasad"See? No one except for Marman spells the phrase Ik Ong Kar or Ek Onkar as "Ekankar" in
the Sihk term: "Ik Ong Kar Sat Gur Prasad" or "Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad"!!!In fact the more common spelling today seems to be "Ek Ong Kar Sat Gur Prasad"
In Google it brings about 27,600 results
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q="Ek+Ong+Kar+Sat+Gur+Prasad"Unless one has a good knowledge of various languages and faiths, it's best not to rush to fast
ahead. Many things that 'sound' similar may not be the very same thing, and so inaccurate
connections can be made where none exists.---
The following may help to show how complex these words and meanings can be.
Another translation for 'Ek Onkar Sat Gur Prasad' goes:
"There is one Creator of all Creation. All is a blessing of the One Creator. This realization comes through Guru's Grace."
http://www.spiritvoyage.com/mantra/Ek-Ong-Kar-Sat-Gur-Prasad/MAN-000028.aspxGuru Nanak spread a simple message of "Ek Ong Kar": we are all one, created by the "One
Creator of all Creation." This was at a time when India was being torn apart by castes,
sectarianism, religious factions, and fanaticism.He aligned with no religion, and respected all religions. He expressed the reality that there
is one God and many paths, and the Name of God is Truth, "Sat Nam".
https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurudwara_Dashmesh_Darbar_Sahib#About_SikhismThis symbol ? pronounced Ek Onkar is the symbol that is used to represent the "One Supreme
Reality" or "One God."
https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Ek_Onkar"Ek Oankaar" |? means There is only One God
Ek = One
There is but one God, the Sole Supreme Being, the Ultimate Reality.
https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Mool_MantarSo in this primary sense Ik Ong Kar / Ek Onkar typically means: the Sole Supreme Being, or One
Supreme Reality, or One God, or the One Reality, or the Ultimate Reality, and One Creator of
all Creation.So, basically this idea by Marman of "Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad" isn't really correct at all.
Plus when Marman suggests: "The resemblance to Eckankar is no accident. Paul Twitchell derived the name for his modern teaching from this phrase."
That claim too doesn't appear to stand up to investigation.
On Sikhnet they suggest Ekankar can mean something different:
"In this state He was Nirgun (without any attributes) or Nirankar (without any dimensional
manifestations)."There is another representation of God in Nirgun state mentioned as Ekankar where singularity
of God is emphasised in mathematical sense. The numeral one or 1 or Ek Ank (eyk AMk) is used
as a representation of the oneness of God by calling transcendent God as Ekankar (eykMkwr)."The numeral one or Ik signifies the formless (Nirankar) as Ekankar immediately prior to
ordering (Kawaao) or just before willing the creation of the physical universes.Bhai Gurdas elaborates this process of creation (Vaar 26.2)
"From the Nirankar (formless) state (He) moved towards the infinite Ekankar state.
From this Ekankaar the Oankar syllable sound helped create shapes."http://fateh.sikhnet.com//Sikhnet/discussion.nsf/SearchView/E7A41A235FC1861D87256BA10061A53E!
OpenDocument
Ek Oankar cosists of two components:
Numeral One (refered to as Ekankar in SGGS) e.g.
Prabh bhave ta kre visthar, Prabh bhave ta Ekankar.(Gauri Sukhmani)Oora charachter with open top and hora attached (referred to as Oankar) as in the composition
Oankar in Ramkali Dakhani Rag.The two components joined together in the Ek Oankar or Beej Mantar as it is called does not
simply mean God is one. This is too simplistic.
http://fateh.sikhnet.com//sikhnet/discussion.nsf/78f5a2ff8906d1788725657c00732d6c/E9F19F0D0D81E07587256CBD005A70AD!OpenDocument---
One of Marman's sources for translations and Sikhism beliefs is
Prof Devinder Singh Chahal, PhD, Institute for Understanding Sikhism who says:The symbol ? it is pronounced by many Sikh theologians as 'Ek Oankaar' or 'Ek Aumkaar'
because they consider the open 'Oora' is the abbreviation of 'Oankaar' used in Gurbani.Many Sikh scholars relate 'Oankaar' to 'Aum' according to Vedic and Vedantic philosophy.
This paper presents the findings of our continuous research into the meanings of the logo,
< , coined by Guru Nanak.Here it has been fully documented that < stands for:
'Ek Oh Beant' (One and Only, Oh, Infinite).
The first part # is generally pronounced by many Sikh
theologians and scholars as eyku EAMkwru (Ek Oankaar) or
eyku Emkwr (Ek Aumkaar).To pronounce / as eyku EAMkwru or eykMkwru (Ek Oankaar
or Ekankaar) cannot be justified based on the fact that a
Bani at pages 929-938 in AGGS is entitled as EAMkwru
(Oankaar). If Guru Nanak can use EAMkwru in this Bani
then he would have used it also in the Commencing
Verse in place of / . Or # (Open Oora) could have
been used in place of EAMkwru in rest of the Bani, but it is
not so. Therefore, # (Open Oora) is entirely different
than EAMkwru (Oankaar) or EMmkwru (Aumkaar) in meaning
as well as in pronunciation. Besides / cannot be
pronounced as eyku EAMkwru or eykMkwru (Ek Oankaar or
Ekankaar) under any circumstances.If anybody needs more information, this is the link :
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/8dhAk9F6-II
* The above presentation on the net is quite acceptable, yet if you ask my opinion, I would say, that Ikoankar means the one Creator Satnam, and while in Ikangkar, could very well be, The One, with one part /organ/limb, which is the Naad, the Shabad, the Nam, the Amrit Bani resounding throughout the creation, so the one with that Oneness, is none other than Waheguru Akal Purukh, so necessarily, it refers to that Primal Truth, the source of everything that exists throughout all the gross, subtle and spiritual realms, which is Satnam, as seen in the very begining in the Bani:
Ik Oankar Satnam.
SSA.
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19 hours ago, zereraz said:
So I'm practicing daily, made early gains in terms of various experiences in meditation, even if one thinks they are far away I believe most just haven't tried it properly, so I'd recommend daily before sleep(or power nap) just trying to relax body(like really do it, little by little keep relaxing), dhyan state can only come from doing naam simran(breath + chanting) and listening to yourself(like minds ears, eventually some of the 5 shabads come here) otherwise there is no dhyan, beat the stage of thoughts, it maybe your breathing itself that might distract you, do it per breath with concentration and as you keep relaxing your body will fall asleep(it is astonishing and various Anand's can be felt which will feel unreal and amazing). Also I didn't read about this on the internet or from anyone this was an awakening experiences where I randomly meditated for 6+ hours(without simran, didn't know much about it) where I learnt that this was real and then saw 7-8 months later Bhai Simranjeet Singh talking about this as the right thing to do(a vidhi, technique), to me it is like Akaal Purakh waking me up from deep manmukh slumber, I was also able to sleep like 2 hours and wake up refreshed but eventually due to no naam simran I lost the avastha.
I've experienced and witnessed my own body fixing itself(rare times painful to watch it stitch parts damaged in gym), quite blissful experience overall and makes it easy to do naam simran even at night(and now understand how 8 pehar is actually possible but so hard and intense, only in deep true love will one do it like that).
I'm new to all this, 1-2 years max, been researching many religions(left atheism and to spirituality) until realized what Sikhi itself was actually talking about, all practical from my current understanding and love it.
Only bhakti, only purify mind, remove humai as that itself is false hood, agreed about deep love for lotus feet, I've not reached deep love state but I've been able to reach sehaj and do naam simran with some love as of now, I want the love to increase, even fear to be remembered. All that can and does happen is within Hukum and up to Waheguru.
Sat Sri Akal
zereraz Bro,
your post above is amazing, you have proven that with enthusiasm, determination and persistance , the highest of goals can be achieved, the thing is in doing it.
Well, I am very much glad for you, may Waheguru bless you and you go still further and farther, until merging in Him.
You see, when I said deep love for Him, i did not meant to understimate you in any way, but I meant wanting Hm alone above and before anything, that is it.
Do not worry nor be in a haste for any visible progress, but just pray to Him to guide you towards Him, and bless you stay in His bhaana at all times.
I have herad, that He is more eager to give Himself to us, than we wanting Him, so just trust Him, and remain as a kookar at His door with your love and devotion, without expecting anything, for He knows best what, when and whom to give, our main preocupation is to keep checking ourselves that we have not got derailed from the path of bhakti.
As it is said, if we believe He has the power to give, that it is also true, He also knows whta and when to give, it is only we have to remain receptive to His grace.
So, what is to remain receptive to His grace or kirpa?
It is in trying to please Him with that what He most likes.
So what is that He likes most?
As per Bani, it is to constantly remember Him through His simran, apart from doing daily meditative practices of His simran.
You are right, Gurbani is a practical manual of instructions so to say, for efficiently loving Him and reuniting our surtees with Him.
Any praises of Gurbani are just limited and poor expressions, the beauty of Gurbani can only be felt, when we devoutly workout as per its pure and undiluted teachings, as seen in the following verse
"JIN HAR JAPEEYA SE HAR HOEEYA"
Stay blessed.
SSA.
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On 10/13/2003 at 8:10 PM, Hari said:
In the finale of Jap Ji Sahib we have the following beginning line of the following Slok:
Pavan Guru, Pani Pita, Mata Dharat Mahat.
I'm no scholar, but for Pavan Guru, I'm a bit stuck.Does Pavan Guru mean that air is formed into the Word (Bani) of Guru, therefore Guru = praan?Can someone give me a better explaination.
I'd like to know your views on this particular line of Gurbani.
My 2 cents is that, as once I heard in a katha of sant Maskeen Singh, is that among all relations, the one with the Guru is the most relevant.
Just as one can live some time without eating, lesser than that would be without water, but it would be impossible without air.
In that respect, Guru is as important as air for us, for having the luminous Guru, we escape from the painful cycle of 84, and become aware of our spiritual reality, then only we live and merge in the highest and eternal Truth of Satnam.
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1 hour ago, Guest Singh said:
These powers come, but to use them is insult to God's hukam.
Right now we have hukam to live in this body and perform our duties, seva to the world. It is wrong to leave this body lying as dead body and wonder around with just soul.
Brother Guest Singh,
The only hukum of God is purify yourself with the bhakti of Nam and return back into me.
For the rest of things we have a limited free will as long as also we do not incur in more karam.
Though it is also true, that unless one is blessed with deep true love for His lotus feet, thus wanting Him only at all times, people do have higher fantasies, that only shows how weak and low one is, for leaving aside that one eternal and changeless highest Truth, we still have other desires... But brother that also as seen in the Bani, it is in no one's hands to want and love Him above all and everything, and at the same time by fulfilling our duties with our fellow beings.
SSA.
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Q) Dear Sachay Patshah, how would you summarize the essence of true spirituality in a single verse for a limited manmukh like me?
A) ਮੈਇਕੁਨਾਮੁਨਵੀਸਰੈਸਾਚੇਗੁਰਬੁਧਿ॥੨॥
Mai Eik Naam N Veesarai Saachae Gur Budhh ||2||
May I never forget the Naam, the Name of the One Lord. This is the wisdom of the True Guru. ||2||
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Q), Guru Jee, I desire to see Him, what should I do?
A) Please listen carefully:
ਰਾਮੁਜਪਹੁਮੇਰੀਸਖੀਸਖੈਨੀ॥
Raam Japahu Maeree Sakhee Sakhainee ||
Meditate on the Lord by repeating His name, O my friends and companions.
ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁਸੇਵਿਦੇਖਹੁਪ੍ਰਭੁਨੈਨੀ॥੧॥ਰਹਾਉ॥Sathigur Saev Dhaekhahu Prabh Nainee ||1|| Rehaao ||
for by devoting yourself as prescribed by the Guru, you shall behold God with your eyes.
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Q) Dear Guru Jee how can I wash my sins?
A) dear sikh, listen carefully and follow it implicitly if you want to become clean and pure:
ਅਵਰੁਨਅਉਖਧੁਤੰਤਨਮੰਤਾ॥
Avar N Aoukhadhh Thanth N Manthaa ||
There is no other medicine, Tantric charm or mantra.
ਹਰਿਹਰਿਸਿਮਰਣੁਕਿਲਵਿਖਹੰਤਾ॥
Har Har Simaran Kilavikh Hanthaa ||
For meditative remembrance alone upon the Lord, Har, Har, destroys sins.
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Q) Dear Guru Jee, please tell us how can we please You?
A) dear sikh, listen carefully and keep it fixed in your mind at all times:
ਜੋਸਾਸਿਗਿਰਾਸਿਧਿਆਏਮੇਰਾਹਰਿਹਰਿਸੋਗੁਰਸਿਖੁਗੁਰੂਮਨਿਭਾਵੈ॥
Jo Saas Giraas Dhhiaaeae Maeraa Har Har So Gurasikh Guroo Man Bhaavai ||
One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.
*Note: here Guru Jee is telling us that if we want to please Him, we should remember Him at all times through His simran.
Yet sadly many arise questions by saying it is foolish in engaging in this highest devotion as regarded by Guru Jee.
What a pitiful scene, they who say such nonsense themselves are blind and lead others to the dark pitch of deep ignorance.
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Q)Dear Guru Jee, what ardaas should one place before Him?
A)Listen carefully my dear sikh:
ਹਰਿਜੀਉਆਗੈਕਰੀਅਰਦਾਸਿ॥
Har Jeeo Aagai Karee Aradhaas ||
I offer that prayer to the Lord,
ਸਾਧੂਜਨਸੰਗਤਿਹੋਇਨਿਵਾਸੁ॥
Saadhhoo Jan Sangath Hoe Nivaas ||
That I might dwell in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy.
ਕਿਲਵਿਖਦੁਖਕਾਟੇਹਰਿਨਾਮੁਪ੍ਰਗਾਸੁ॥੯॥
Kilavikh Dhukh Kaattae Har Naam Pragaas ||9||
For there, sins and sufferings are erased, and one is illumined with the Lord's Name. ||9||
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ਬਿਨੁਨਾਵੈਕਿਆਲਹਸਿਨਿਦਾਨਿ॥੬॥
Bin Naavai Kiaa Lehas Nidhaan ||6||
Without the Name, what can the fool obtain?
*To those who try to reach the Lord with all other practices but not Nam, Guru Jee calls them fools, for they can at most obtain Swarg or Baikunth, but not the realm of the True Lord Waheguru.
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Regarding the supreme and sole importance of Nam in our lives, following are some priceless sat bachans from Guru Jee:
ਬਿਨੁਨਾਵੈਸੂਤਕੁਜਗਿਛੋਤਿ॥
Bin Naavai Soothak Jag Shhoth ||
बिनु नावै सूतकु जगि छोति ॥
Without the Name, the world (all and everything in it) is defiled and untouchable.
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ਦੁਆਰਹਿਦੁਆਰਿਸੁਆਨਜਿਉਡੋਲਤਨਹਸੁਧਰਾਮਭਜਨਕੀ॥੧॥
Dhuaarehi Dhuaar Suaan Jio Ddolath Neh Sudhh Raam Bhajan Kee ||1||
You wander from door to door like a dog, unconscious of the Lord's meditation. ||1||
ਮਾਨਸਜਨਮਅਕਾਰਥਖੋਵਤਲਾਜਨਲੋਕਹਸਨਕੀ॥
Maanas Janam Akaarathh Khovath Laaj N Lok Hasan Kee ||
You lose this human life in vain, and You are not even ashamed when others laugh at you.
ਨਾਨਕਹਰਿਜਸੁਕਿਉਨਹੀਗਾਵਤਕੁਮਤਿਬਿਨਾਸੈਤਨਕੀ॥੨॥੧॥੨੩੩॥
Naanak Har Jas Kio Nehee Gaavath Kumath Binaasai Than Kee ||2||1||233||
O Nanak, why not sing the Lord's Praises, so that you may be rid of the body's evil disposition? ||2||1||233||
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On 10/9/2020 at 8:20 PM, Guest MohanS said:
Wah wah.
Atee sundar.
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(869-9)
kar namaskaar pooray gurdayv.
Humbly bow to the Perfect Guru(869-9)
safal moorat safal jaa kee sayv.
Fruitful is His image, and fruitful is service to Him.(869-9)
antarjaamee purakh biDhaataa.
He is the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts, the Architect of Destiny.(869-9)
aath pahar naam rang raataa. ||1||
Twenty-four hours a day, he remains imbued with the love of the Naam, the Name of the Lord. ||1||*For those who think Nam japna is a minor or insignificant mode of devotion to be performed , Guru Jee tells us in the above verses that even the Divine Guru, none other than He Himself, is lovingly absorbed all the 24 hours in the meditative state on Nam.
Mahima on the love and devotion to Nam simran is apaar in Gurbani, yet we take it lightly or push it back as something secondary when it comes in terms of our devotion towards Him.
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1 hour ago, kidsama said:First of all, obviously I am not high spiritual level, but I have come a long way in the last couple years, and especially the past couple weeks I have been progressing like a rocket. There have been many mistakes I made, and much I have learned. I want to share this with you all, and I hope this will be helpful.
------------ Start making values and rules and don't go back on them. Some easy but very helpful ones are to; not watch tv, movies, shows or listen to songs. Instead listen to katha and kirtan. In my free time, I don't ever watch this, if nothing to do, just sit outside alone, its 100% better, and when you give up these you will move very fast.
- Second is to stop speaking harshly at all. Get control over your tongue. When doing Dasam bani, like Bhagouti astotar, etc, it fills you with bir ras, but Guru sahib ji hates it when you use that to speak badly and let it out at someone. Always speak firmly but with respect. I made this mistake, and I had to do shabad hazare (just the first mehl) 3x and do ardass and promise to never misuse my tongue ever again.
- Next is don't speak extra or uselessly. Only speak as needed. Why discuss useless topics?
- The biggest quality is to accept the truth even if you can't live up to it. Most people when they hear what they should be like or what they should do, they just reject it, to not make themselves feel bad. Even if you can't do it, accept that I am lacking in this. Just this acceptance alone will bring great kirpa, and keep you in the right direction.
- Take Amrit. This one is obvious. Wear 5 kakkar, keep rehat, and do nitnem, and Guru sahib will take you under his wing and lead you to Sachkhand. Very good deal, lol.
- When you move up fast, people or dark entities somehow something will always try to keep you down. Be aware of that. Bir Ras banis are very helpful in this case.
- Always admit mistake when you make it. Don't let hankar (ego) get in the way of apologizing.
- This is a big one for me that I leanred recently and it's chaning my whole reality. That is to not waver ever (dolna). Remain firm and steady. Your hand might shake and your leg might shake but the mind should stay strong and unmovable. "Asthar raho dolho matt kabhu gur ke bachan adhar, jai jai kar sagal bhu mandal mukh ujal darbar."
- NEVER give up your faith in your Guru for even a second. I used to do this all the time this year. For the past couple of weeks, I have been getting tested, and I have remained adhol.
- Last thing is to "save your progress". We often don't realize how far we have come, and can get demotivated or side tracked. A handwritten journal is helpful.
Very good points.
Yet, if allowed to give my 2 cents for real progress, let us just do as Guru Jee says:
SAAS SAAS SIMROH GOBIND.
Why so?
Because with it, we keep negativity at distance, and at the same time, we become receptive to His kirpa, which is the force to keep us on the right tracks.
SSA.
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23 hours ago, Lucky said:Interesting topic. Without butting into a debate, I have to say that as per my understanding of "truthful living" and good deeds; I would agree with @harsharan000 .
SSA Lucky Jee,
no worries for anything at all, you are always welcome to share your views just as anybody else.
You see, one can never ever force one´s views on anybody, for after all everbody has his/her own personal consciouss level, thus howsoever hard one may try, the other person will simply reject.
So no need for hard words, but as this an public forum, one should be careful with what one says, as many may get to beileve what they may see or read at a particular time which maybe absolutely imperfect or incomplete.
That is why if I see something like that, I try to give my 2 cents, which maybe not acceptable to that OP in his/her thread, but for all those who may read or come across at any time.
I just give my opinion where I think fit just as anybody else can do so and leave it, without any expectations, or something personal to convince anybody, for from my personal experience I can assure that nobody can ever make anybody understand something, if that person is not at that consciouss level at that time, maybe after some time ...maybe, who knows?
SSA.
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On 10/11/2020 at 4:18 AM, Jamie said:
I wonder if one can experience vismaad in times of deep sorrow as well as time of great joy? If one can surrender so deeply to beautiful or sorrowful experiences that one equally experiences union w God?
The experience of union with God, surpasses any description.
By then, with His grace one has already learnt lke to arise above the clouds, then it does not matter much, for no rain or storms can affect you.
In a similar way, by perfecting the process of our intentions of nearing Him, being in His presence, and finally merging in Him, we become that much spiritual wise mature, that no dukh/sukh, no pain/pleasure, nothing affects us..... for wherever we look, we see our beloved Lord, and we are surrounded by His grace at all times, just as baby in a mother´s arms.
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23 hours ago, Sikhilove said:The last few three lines I agree with. Gurbani is Truth...the teachings are Gyan. Good deeds are listed as Truthful living in it time and time again, eg as below.
ਅਵਗਣ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਕਰਣੀ ਸਾਰੀ ਦਰਿ ਸਚੈ ਸਚਿਆਰੋ ॥
अवगण परहरि करणी सारी दरि सचै सचिआरो ॥
Avgaṇ parhar karṇī sārī ḏar sacẖai sacẖiāro.
Discarding my vices, I do good deeds, and in the True Court, I am judged as true.
ਆਵਣੁ ਜਾਵਣੁ ਠਾਕਿ ਰਹਾਏ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਤਤੁ ਵੀਚਾਰੋ ॥
आवणु जावणु ठाकि रहाए गुरमुखि ततु वीचारो ॥
Āvaṇ jāvaṇ ṯẖāk rahāe gurmukẖ ṯaṯ vīcẖāro.
My coming and going has come to an end; as Gurmukh, I reflect upon the nature of reality.
Good deeds bring us to realise Love. True Unconditional Love is the reality. It’s Truth. Sacrifice, kindness, humility, seva etc, are all acts of Love. Naam simran and these qualities and deeds help to elevate the consciousness past primitive animalistic tendencies, to higher more angelic qualities. When One engages in these, they can go into samadhi and hence do naam simran deeply automatically. Naam isn’t just repeating a name, it’s a consciousness, recognition And remembrance of reality. The trees whisper it, the postman lives in Karam of it, the universe vibrates to its frequency.
First of all, all deeds are actions, and any action is karma, which may be good or bad, and as such kamas are like seeds sown for which we have to come when they are reap, some may have planted mangoes, so they come to collect mangoes(good karmas = healthy, happy life), others may have planted "mirchi" , so they have to come and collect or eat their own sown seeds of pain and misery, so karmas or deeds are definetely not truthful living...
To view truthful living in the perspective of Gurmat, we have to understand and keep in mind what that Truth is.
The Truth mentioned in Gurbani is the Supreme creator Waheguru Akal Purukh Himself, to which Gurbani is referred as aad Sach, jugaad Sach, hae bhee Sach, Nanak hosee bhee Sach.
So Sach is Nam, which is not a particular word in a particular language, or an exclusivity of any dharam , mazab, or country in time and space.
Rather Nam or Shabad is a creative consciouss power or energy, all pervasive
So truthful living naturally, has to do something with what we engage in by trying to manifest that Truth/Sach within us.
And that definetely truthful living is His simran or Nam bhakti, so naturally we come to a logic concluson, that the devotion or meditation of Nam simran is in essence the truthful living, as it leads us to that ultimate Truth of Nam or Shabad.
In this respect the Bani tells us:
Awar kaaj tere kitay na kaam mil Sadh sangat bhaj kewal Naam.
No other deeds are of any avail, so keep the company of the Holy, and do only the jaap of Naam.
The Bani does not say to rely on good deeds/karmas, in order to realize Him, for as seen above good karmas are chains which keep us also prisoners in the mayavee creation, for we have to come and collect the fruits of those good deeds or karmas sown by us.
The Bani says:
Aapay bheejeh aapay khaae
You eat your own sown karmas.
At other place regarding deeds, good or bad, the Bani tells us:
ਕਰਮੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਪੜਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥
Karamee Aavai Kaparraa Nadharee Mokh Dhuaar ||
By the karma of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found.
So you see, with deeds whether good or bad, we obtain different bodies in the wheel of 84 according to our merits, but definetely not the Truth of Nam, which is obtained by His grace.
And to add a bit, no one can do His simran by himself or herself, for as the Bani says: Se simrae jis Aap simrae.
Which means, only that being meditates on His Nam, to whom He wants, so you see Pen Jee, it is not in anybody´s hands to do His simran.
That is why, most people have aversion to Nam japnaa, they prefer to do and are ready to do any other things or activities above His Nam simran as seen in the Bani, in almost each ang of it.
Many have the concept that Nam simran is doing a mantra simran or meditation, which is not correct at all.
His Simran is the jugtee which will reveal or manifest the Satnam, Nam or Shabad as the ultimate Truth within us
His simran is the actionless action, thus truly the truthful living, for by engaging in it, we are on the path which will only lead us to that Truth / Sach since the very beginning or in the eternity.
Truthful living can also be seen as His Simran, for as the Bani says:
Jin Har japeeya se Har hoeeya.
This means, whosoever does His simran, becomes one with Him.
The Bani does not say do good deeds in order to manifest that Truth within yourself, rather emphasizes again and again on His simran, if only our purpose is of merging ourselves in Him.
Good deeds or moral living are necessary only to the extent of keeping our vessels (mind) clean, for when the ocassion arises the Amrit of Nam can be poured into our very inner being.
Good deeds is only keeping the vessel clean, which by all means is empty by itself.
Good deeds is not Nam, is not Amrit.
Amrit is poured into us by His grace, but for that our vessels have to be clean.
So the next question could very well be: how can that Amrit of Nam be obtained?
Guru Jee tells us the correct answer in a simple manner:
ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
Anmrith Vaelaa Sach Naao Vaddiaaee Veechaar ||
In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness.
Bhagat Jan, Gurmukhs, Guru Sahiban.... all of these come at our level from that realm of Ultimate Truth, where nothing else exists but He himself alone.
And they come for the only purpose of awakening us to that reality of Truth/Sach/Nam, by singing His praises; to which we are unaware due to our deep rooted agyanta and manmat.
In relation to whatsoever has been mentioned in this post, I would like to end with some beautiful verses from the Bani of Panchvee Patshahee:
ਅਬ ਕਲੂ ਆਇਓ ਰੇ
Ab Kaloo Aaeiou Rae
Now, the Dark Age of Kali Yuga has come.
ਇਕੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਬੋਵਹੁ ਬੋਵਹੁ
Eik Naam Bovahu Bovahu ||
Plant the Naam, the Name of the One Lord.
ਅਨ ਰੂਤਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਨਾਹੀ ॥
An Rooth Naahee Naahee ||
It is not the season to plant other seeds (good deeds/karmas, poojas, pilgrimages, fasting, torturing oneself, idol worship, keeping quiet, etc .
ਮਤੁ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੂਲਹੁ ਭੂਲਹੁ ॥
Math Bharam Bhoolahu Bhoolahu ||
Do not wander lost in doubt and delusion.
ਮਨ ਰੁਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਰੇ ॥
Man Ruth Naam Rae ||
O mortal, this is the season of the Naam.
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਹੁ ਦਿਨੁ ਰਾਤੀ ਅੰਤ ਕਾਲਿ ਨਹ ਲਾਗੈ ਪੀਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Guramukh Naam Japahu Dhin Raathee Anth Kaal Neh Laagai Peer ||1|| Rehaao ||
As Gurmukh, chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord, day and night. At the very last moment, you shall not have to suffer in pain.
Then as a consequence of this truthful practice, following is the result which takes place:
ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜੋ ਨਰੁ ਖੇਲੈ ਸੋ ਜਿਣਿ ਬਾਜੀ ਘਰਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੪॥੧॥੧੯॥
Jan Naanak Guramukh Jo Nar Khaelai So Jin Baajee Ghar Aaeiaa ||4||1||19||
O servant Nanak, that person who plays this game as Gurmukh, wins the game of life, and returns to his true home (Sach Khand).
ਗੁਰਮਤੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਸੁਖਿ ਰਜਾ ਜਾ ਤੁਧੁ ਭਾਇਆ ॥
Guramathee Naam Dhhiaaeeai Sukh Rajaa Jaa Thudhh Bhaaeiaa ||
Those who follow the Guru's Teachings meditate on the Naam, the Name of the Lord. Filled with a joyful peace, they surrender to Your Will.
So you see Pen Jee, Guru Jee in each Ang, stresses upon Nam, and its japnaa or simran, to cleanse us from all our karmas/deeds whether good or bad, and at the same time to manifest or reveal that Aad Truth/Sach of Nam, within us, not otherwsie.
Sat Sree Akal.
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On 10/13/2020 at 5:01 PM, Sikhilove said:
Gurbani, good deeds, everything Gurbani teaches IS Naam, for Naam is Truth.
The Gurus told us that Truthful Living is the key..not sit at home all day doing naam simran. That would be foolish.
If that were the case then why would we have this human janam. T
he Gurus led by example, choosing to live life, Truth in practice, on the straight and narrow path. The wise beings follow their examples.
Sorry, but good deeds are karam. And as such, karamas are binding, are seeds which will definetely bring us back into the wheel of 84.
While Nam is purifying and liberation from the darkness of agyanta, and taking the jeev atma to the Jot of Sach, the realm of everlasting and changeless Truth.
Good deeds are lifeless, are unconsciouss tools in the hands of the consciouss beings. Or let us say, deeds good or bad are chains on the jeev atma which make them remain prisoners in the mayavee creation. So you see, good deeds can never be Truth or Nam the consciouss life force, as per Gurbani
Good deeds are necessary to live a moral life and be fit for walking on the path of spirituality, that´s it, nothing more. Of course, lack of morality can never allow anyone to lead a spiritual life.
With karmas wheter good or bad, one has to come back again and again into the mayavee painful creation, while being meditative on Nam, one gets freedom from all bonds, karmas, vices, sins and all that may stand between us and Him.
We have human janam, so that we may realize Him in His true form of Nam/Shabad.
In this respect, Gurbani can never had been so clear, for as seen in the following verses.:
bha-ee paraapat maanukh dayhuree-aa.
This human body has been given to you.goibMd imlx kI ieh qyrI brIAw ]
gobind milan kee ih tayree baree-aa.
This is your chance to meet the Lord of the Universemil saaDhsangat bhaj kayval naam. ||1||
Join the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy; vibrate and meditate on the Jewel of the NaamsaraNjaam laag bhavjal taran kai.
Make every effort to cross over this terrifying world-ocean.janam baritha jaat rang maa-i-aa kai. ||1|| rahaa-o.
You are squandering this life uselessly in the love of Maya.So please do not take truthful living as Truth as many believe.
Truthful living is living with and in morality, which after are all are karmas. This morality is absolutely needed if of course we aim to become perfect spiritual beings, but by itself is not enough for our union with Him.
For that, we need His kirpa and His Nam. That is why the Bani says: Nanak Naam jahaaz hae, jinee chareeya se utareeya paar. So you see, it is Nam which takes us across the maha bhavsagar, while moral or immoral living, are like iron chains or golden chains on us, means binding us and keeping us prisoners in this mayavee creation.
Doing His Simran, is not foolish at all, it is wise for it is the only thing that purifies us, liberates us and takes us back to Him.
It would be foolish to believe the contrary.
How could it be foolish, if you are given a ticket to go to a safe place for a disaster(parlay) is soon going to take place and you make use of it?
The ticket here means the human birth, to board on the jahaaz of Nam and go the safest place: Sach Khand.
Do not worry for doing the whole day Nam simran, which would be the ideal, for it means to live a Truthful life, for while doing so, one is absorbed in that Highest and only existing Truth.
In that respect Guru Jee says: mere preetama hau jeeva Nam dhiaeeyeh.
So you see, while they appear to be like us ordinary beings, yet in their innermost minds they are totally absorbed in Nam, nay, I would even go a step further and say they are Nam personified..
We moorakhs can never ever understand their reality, we see and judge them from our pettiness, fully absorbed in agyanta.
Nam is not a word in any particular language written or spoken
Not a mantra.
Nam is Sat Shabad, is akhoot Jot, is pure consciosness, is Waheguru Himself, the Infinite universal creator of everything seen or unseen, at all levels.
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23 hours ago, seattlesingh said:How are Naam and Siddhi distinguished, do they come on the same path, or are the paths different?
They are as different as North and South.
Nam is the only everlasting and changeless Truth, which can be described as a supreme consciouss creative power with infinite virtues, and among all of them love and mercy, like cream on milk, as per description by His Bhagat Jan, Gurmukhs and Guru Sahiban.
While riddhis and siddhis are just lifeless and consciousless energies without any virtues by themselves.
Take for example a knife, which can cut vegetables to be eaten, or can be used to harm someone.
So you see, while Nam/Shabad/Satnam is a consciouss life force of the highest order, riddhis and siddhis are inert in essence.
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Something for veechar:
ਬੇਦੁ ਪੁਕਾਰੇ ਪੁੰਨੁ ਪਾਪੁ ਸੁਰਗ ਨਰਕ ਕਾ ਬੀਉ ॥
Baedh Pukaarae Punn Paap Surag Narak Kaa Beeo ||
The Vedas proclaim that vice and virtue are the seeds of heaven and hell.
But it is Guru Jee who from His unbound grace and love for us jeevas that He tells us about something far beyond all this mayavee paraphernalia :
ਸਚੁ ਬੀਜੈ ਸਚੁ ਉਗਵੈ ਦਰਗਹ ਪਾਈਐ ਥਾਉ ॥
Sach Beejai Sach Ougavai Dharageh Paaeeai Thhaao ||
When Truth (Naam) is planted (by meditating upon it) , Truth grows. In the Court(Sach Khand) of the Lord, you shall find your place of honor.
Raag Sarang, Sree Guru Angad Dev Maharaj.
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"I AM THE CREATOR OF MY SANSKARAS"
LETS REFLECT.
QUESTION :IF MY QUALITY IS LOVE, WHY DOSENT THIS NATURAL PERFUME SUPRESS OTHER FRAGRANCES?
ANSWER :It is because the soul´s journey is much longer than one lifetime.
For example — I the soul playing the part wearing this bodily costume — develop a habit of self criticism. This sanskar leaves a deep imprint on me. Now when I leave this body and
take another one I will carry along this sanskar of self criticism with me.
No doubt others influence us, but we influence ourselves the most. That's why we cannot blame others for how we are feeling.
Whenever someone gives me 'criticism' or 'appreciation' I get a result only when I use it.
His role was only limited to giving me that 'gift'. The way the gift is used and the result it brings are not in his control. That power lies completely with me.
So let's put a full stop to whatever others have said in the past or are saying today.
My energy is my own creation and I have the power to create my thoughts irrespective of what I receive from outside.
The power lies only with ME. Always remember the thoughts I create are completely independent of the influence of the OUTER WORLD.
The remote control of my mind needs to be only in my hands. This is something that I need to remind myself each day, because it is very easy easy to succumb to BLAMING OTHERS.
Blaming others means holding people or situations responsible for how we are feeling.
COMPLAINING means means finding fault with everything and everyone.
We consider it normal and continue complaining without realizing the impact it is having on us.
There is a vast difference in COMPLAINING and having a CONCERN.
We need to understand this very clearly, COMPLAINING depletes our energy, and many of the times we are complaining about things that are not in our CONTROL.
COMPLAINING means focusing on the problem, and CONCERN is focusing on the solution.
We need to start RE-Programming our mind : AS ONLY , WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR LIFE
Blaming makes no sense.
Stay blessed.
Best wishes