Amandeep Hindustani

Thousands of supporters of a controversial Hindu guru have clashed with police outside his ashram in the northern Indian state of Haryana.

The 63-year-old self-styled guru, known as Rampal, is on bail after being accused in a 2006 murder case.

But authorities ordered his arrest on contempt charges after he failed to appear in court several times.

In his sprawling Satlok Ashram in Barwala town, supporters formed human chains to prevent his arrest.

Police fired tear gas shells and used bulldozers to try to break into the ashram to get to Rampal. The guru's supporters threw stones and fired at the police, reports said.

ndian television channels showed photos of injured supporters being taken away in police vehicles. Several reporters present at the scene were also injured.

"We had cut off the electricity and water connection to the centre. Our strategy was to take out the Baba [Rampal] and save the people inside the ashram," Haryana director general of police N Vashisth told reporters.

Mr Vashisth accused Rampal of using "women and children as human shields" and said people who were inside the ashram had been asked to leave.

"Police have sealed the ashram premises. Our operation would continue. I can't say whether it will end today or tomorrow, we will conclude our operation only after we have arrested Rampal," the police chief added.

Given that abdali took a massive army to india after these months do you really give your thoughts/musings any credence?

Why believe my musings when you can read Abdali's musings from himself.

Yes, she was of punjabi Brahmin background. The sad part is the father just laughed about the dissapearance and divorce like it was nothing.

I mean why would you come to India to get married in the first place? Force an average middle class family to sell land, empty savings to pay for everything and leave the guy sitting by himself in London without anybody.

People don't understand Maharashtra in 16th and 17th century it was the nerve centre for anti-Moghul or muslim activities. As it is even today. They had a habit of training and arming all types of people.

It's no wonder Banda was in Maharastra.

The fact that neither side had the guts to attack each other for nearly 8 months shows me neither wanted a confrontation. The lack of food forced the Maratha hand. But good for them they held in down for nearly 120 years almost single handedly. Allowing other groups to rise. Suddenly, the Rajputs rose in rebellion, and new groups jatts and Sikhs filled the power vacuum.

Looks like " Sant" Rampal is getting it in Haryana. Major firing, 40 policemen injured thousands of followers are attacking the police trying to find him in the compound.

Wanted for the murder of several people. Commandos are being brought in.

I speak from personal experience. My cousin from India, nice guy and engineer, got married to a girl from England who came to India with family to get married.

My cousin arrives in England and the girl just walks out. Disappears for weeks at a time. Obviously, it ended in divorce and the father laughed when told his Daughter dissapered.

Of course. ...All the Muslims that were slaughtered and raped in the Gujarat genocide, all the Christians killed, all of the injustices against the Sikhs and the dalits, must have been ISI (!)

Tell me something, have the ISI got more power in Hindustan than the actual government? You blame everything on the ISI. Even when it bloody rains you blame the ISI! !!

I'm not surprised with this response. Feign and deny all wrong doings. Then, when the truth becomes undeniable, say it was necessary.

Just copying the line taken by a certain section on this phorum in relation to violence in the Punjab. Sounds stupid doesn't it? So, please don't insult my intelligence and experience and parrot black cats and agencia.

Now where did you get this beheading nonsense from!!!? By making such outrageous claims you only damage the credibility of your posts.

If you read in to the history of the original Nirankaris, you'll find that they were actually good. The Narakdaris are an offshoot of the original movement, which only started because their founder, Boota Singh was fond of drinking alcohol. Their transgressions against the Sikhs over the years are no secret.

As far as Gujarat and Orrissa and the situation with the Dalits goes, are you seriously telling me that you have no knowledge on these?

This echos the attitude of a tyrannical administration; deny all oppressions committed. Where the evidence is undeniable, say it was "necessary".

I'll leave the googling to you.

Nope, it was not Hindus but the ISI dressed as Hindus. Angecia sade roop vich sanu e badnaam karna chondieaaa

Maybe it was a ruse to buy time. You know, military strategies and all that. Cos it was only a few months later, when Abdali destroyed the Marathas in Panipat. So there are two things we can deduce from this letter. Either abdali wanted to lure the Marathas into a false sense of victory/achievement/arrogance what have you, whilst he prepared for war, or he was genuinely scared of the Marhattas.

Bearing in mind the Marhattas after their heroic victory in Peshawar (aided by the Sikhs of course) became an instant chapter in their military prowess, only to be balanced by their running from Panjab, before Abdali's ankles had even got wet from the River Attock.

You decide.

Abdali sued for peace after the war even left his general with the Marattas to work out a deal. The division of Punjab which the Marattas controlled.

The ferocity of the Marattas even when hungry unnerved Abdali - prepare my horse in case I have to go back to Afghanistan faster than the wind he says in one proclamation.

They weren't. They tried to capture it for themselves.

On request from the Sikhs and Jatts.

This is not about Hindu or Sikh but be wary of being in a relationship from anybody that belongs to England.

Sexual abuse of the vulnerable is common amongst all societies but exotic "petting" zoos, necrophilia, orgies, satanic sex rituals involving blood, carcass and fetuses? I don't think I have heard about that much amongst the Indians even.

Here is an account of the Sikhs of Qazi Noor Mohammed who accompanied Abdali on one of his invasions.

Is there anything similar from the Afghans regarding the prowess of the Punjabi Hindus or the Marathas?

Good! Except, you didn't show up to defend your Punjab with your excellent fighting abilities.

The only thing the Peshwa got was a siropa for protecting the harimandir sahib.

And do yourself a favour, it's harsh and people will kill me for it, but never marry a person from England. Never!

As I said one month earlier, Britain has a sexual deviancy problem and walaaaaaa look what happens. Where's Tony Paaji and his sermons.

For someone who clearly is very well read, you do ask some obvious questions.

Have you forgotten the shaheeds of Vaisakhi 1978, who were gunned down by the Nirankaris and the police? I'm sure you haven't, but are selectively choosing to ignore this.

As far as the Vienna shooting goes, whilst I appreciate the intentions of the Sikhs, I do not agree with the shooting in any way. I believe that the course of dialogue had not been exhausted.

Now, back to my questions. ..

What was the fault of the Muslims in Gujarat 2002, or the Christians in Orrissa 2007, or the hundreds of thousands of dalits being raped and killed up and down the country, or any of the other minority riff - raff panths?

I do remember the so called shaheeds of 78 tried to go on stage to behead the nirankari leader, and the santji took off in his vehicle when the bullets flew.

What is your problem with the nirankaris?

As for Gujarat and Orissa perhaps you can google it and let us know what you find.

Please re read my post, as it seems you're missing the point.

In your brahamanistic totalitarian country, minorities are treated like "riff - raff" (as you so eloquently put it).

You have a beef with Sikhs or their religious/political movement, fine. Let's put that to one side.

What was the fault of the Muslims in Gujarat in 2002?

What was the fault of the Christians in Orrissa 2007?

What fault was/is it of the dalits who get raped and looted and killed up and down your genocidal country?

Let me guess. ..they're all extremists/taliban/jihadist/ISI/Pakistani intelligence/Afghanistan invaders...

It's nice to see how accepting your supreme society is to minority riff - raff.

While I'm at it what is the fault of the Nirankaris? Or Narakdaris as your Sant called them? How about that Ravidassi leader assassinated in Vienna?

Please re read my post, as it seems you're missing the point.

In your brahamanistic totalitarian country, minorities are treated like "riff - raff" (as you so eloquently put it).

You have a beef with Sikhs or their religious/political movement, fine. Let's put that to one side.

What was the fault of the Muslims in Gujarat in 2002?

What was the fault of the Christians in Orrissa 2007?

What fault was/is it of the dalits who get raped and looted and killed up and down your genocidal country?

Let me guess. ..they're all extremists/taliban/jihadist/ISI/Pakistani intelligence/Afghanistan invaders...

It's nice to see how accepting your supreme society is to minority riff - raff.

What was the fault of the 1 million Hindus of Bangladesh? The pilgrims burnt alive out of the blue in Gujarat? How about the thousands of bomb blasts targeting Hindu temples, markets? What was the fault of the passengers of Air India? Or the 35,000 Hindus killed in Punjab?

What was the fault of the Kashmiri Pandits? The Bodos of Assam? The Hindus that you machine gunned?

Why is Abdali not mentioning the Sikhs as one of the parties to the future of Punjab? Because it was the Marattas that controlled Punjab. The real power.

Abdali's letter to Peshwa on 10th February 1761. Marathi version of that letter present in Satara daftar 2.301

तुमचे आमचे वैर असण्याचे काही कारण नाही. तुमचे पुत्र विश्वासराव व बंधू सदाशिवराव युद्धात मारले गेले त्यास आमचा नाईलाज होता. भाऊसाहेब युद्धास उभे राहिले तेव्हा आम्हास हि युद्धास उभे राहणे भाग पडले. तथापि, त्यांच्या मृत्यूचा आम्हाला खेद आहे. दिल्लीचा कारभार आपण पूर्ववत चालवावा त्यास आमची काहीही हरकत नाही. मात्र सतलज पावेतोचा मुलुख आमच्याकडे असो द्यावा. शाहआलम यास दिल्लीचे तख्तावर ठेऊन झालेल्या गोष्टी विसरून पुढे आपला स्नेह कायमचा राहावा अशी आमची मनापासून इच्छा आहे ती आपण पूर्ण करावी.

There is no reason to have animosity amongst us. You son Vishwasrao and your brother sadadhivrao died in battle, was unfortunate. Bhau started the battle, so I had to fight back unwillingly. Yet I feel sorry for his death. Please continue your guardianship of Delhi as before, to that I have no opposition. Only let Punjab until Sutlaj remain with us. Reinstate Shah alam on delhi's throne as you did before and let there be peace and friendship between us, this is my ardent desire. Grant me that desire.

And why are the Marathas capturing Northern India for you?

Your Bagel Singh arrived in Delhi on the backs of the Marattas. and asked for permanent garrisons in Punjab to protect you against the moslems.

Abdali walked right through Punjab without any resistance from the khalsa, the only resistance was from a small maratta garrison in lahore and panipat, and later on the Nagas in Mathura.

Yes, this is not the 16th century, where all of the Hindus were enslaved (feel free to thank the Sikhs for standing up to the invaders).

After being enslaved countless number of times by numerous invaders you finally get power, and what do you do? Start butchering the minorities, no different than what your masters did when hindus were still slaves in their own country.

You call other religions and panths "riff - raff". On what basis do you hold this holier than thou attitude? Your comments on serve to prove that the hindu administration are extremists and oppressors.

1984 - Sikh genocide

2002 - Muslims in Gujarat

2007 - Christians in Orrissa

Hundreds of thousands of dalits being raped and killed up and down the country.

But when someone or a community stands up to this injustice, you label them extremists.

Need I say more?

You did'nt do anything to stand up to the invaders. The work of countless Hindu heroes who attained Veergathi.

From the Shahis, Marattas, Vijaynagar, Satnamis, Rajputs, Jatts, Hemu, Rana Pratap, - 50,000 at Panipat, 30-40,000 at the Seige of Chittor and finally planting the flag of Hinduism in Punjab, Peshwar, and Northern India.

Your not even mentioned in the records of the time, not by the Moghuls or even Abdali perhaps in passing reference to some rebels running around in the jungles.

Didnt even have enough power to liberate punjab had to get some south indian brahmin to do it for you. The only thing the Peshwa got was a siropa for protecting the "dignity and honour of the harimandir sahib"