Amandeep Hindustani

Interesting point.

So, would you agree that it's more a case of the Guru giving a direct updesh (Gurmantar, rehit etc.) to the Sikh than just simply asking for general instruction/advice/guidance?

It could be both. The Guru is a teacher. Shri Krishan urges him to fight (instruction) and then tells him to fight (direct updesh) its also about context. The Gita is recited in the middle of war.

As soon as you ask for instruction the guru shishya relationship kicks in. To what degree depends on the circumstance.

It is interesting to note in the entire Mahabharata Arjun never considers Shri Krishan as his guru but just a close friend.

The guru disciple relationship starts minutes before the war when Arjun asks for instruction and then says I will not fight.

Shri Krishans response is simple " you take me as your Guru and then give me your decision not to fight? The first step is absolute surrender to the will of your Guru"

Of course we rejected the Gurmukhi script as you would reject the shahmukhi and devangiri script.

A Punjabi is someone whose mother tongue is Punjabi, who speaks it with a sense of pride and teaches it to her or his children. Moreover, this person should be proud of the Punjabi culture, its heritage and seeks to actively promote the interests of Punjab and Punjabis in general. I believe that a great majority of Punjabis dont know what it means to be one? For most of us being a Punjabi does not mean the same thing as being a Bengali means to the Bengalis or being French means to Frenchmen and women. In Punjab of Pakistan, Punjabi is not taught in schools, and it is not the official language of the state.1 In the Punjab of India, the actions of Punjabi Hindus need special mention. Nowhere in human history has a group of people disowned their mother tongue. This singular event is unprecedented. Since 1947 Punjabi Hindus have been consistently deriding the culture of their ancestors and making every effort to retard the growth of Punjabi language and culture, and the economy of the state.

The Indian State of Punjab was recognized as a bilingual state with distinct Punjabi and Hindi speaking regions and a language formula known as the Sachar Formula was announced in October 1949 to solve the language problem. According to this formula Punjabi in Gurmukhi script was accepted as the medium of instruction in schools. It made the Punjabi Hindu elite berserk all sections of the Hindus opposed the implementation of this formula vehemently. They rejected both the Punjabi language and the Gurmukhi script. The attitude of Punjabi Hindus toward Punjabi language can be better understood by reading the words of Sir Gokul Chand Narang the author of Transformation of Sikhism.2

Protesting the use of Punjabi and the Gurmukhi script, Gokul Chand Narang, a rabid communalist lamented, This formula was the first victory of the Sikhs after the partition of the country as it gave recognition and prominence to a language and script never officially recognized except a few years before in a part of the Sikh State of Patiala. It is worth noting that Gokul Chand Narang was born and raised in West Punjab. Moreover, the dedication of his book reads: This book is with deepest reverence dedicated to the memory of my father Lala Mool Raj Narang who was the first to have inspired me with interest in Sikh scriptures and Sikh history.

Is your mother tongue punjabi?

But it is amusing to watch the quick switch over not on the fear of death or conversion but just plain greed or trying to be on the winning side which is epidemic amongst all Indians.

Understandable Jaikaara I used to attend gurudwara and considered these people as brothers. More trust worthy and upright than my own community but the amount of veiled venom spewed on their forums and gurudwaras make us cringe.

They are my brothers but as my guru said in the Gita it does not matter if you have fight your own gurus, brothers, cousins or "saka sambandi" for the protection of dharm it has to be done.

Just watch your community quickly switch over in next couple of years.

Safe Heaven with you Hindus?

You can try Syria if you like? I can even help by buying "scalped" tickets. Please check below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuRv21AP4Dg

Back to the topic. The beauty of the guru-shisya relationship is the Guru through his own experience and knowledge can guide an individual and help avoid mistakes. The guru is a master and hence technically different than a sant or sadhu because the guru is complete. Has the credentials to teach other. The sant or sadhu is incomplete.

I liken them to a nurse and doctor. Similar field and duties that overlap but a doctor is still the expert and final say.

How much rupees do you get as a baksheesh over there? Just curious.

Do you have to adopt the Pakistani lifestyle as well? Sister marrying, goat naal ishq ?

Is that what your Pakistani handlers tell you say? Perhaps sponsor all your protests? Or give your dharm Faujis a nice safe house in Karachi...that's what shahbeg was saying....

Given that the lying indian govt had led them on numerous merry-go-rounds whyu would they need to beleive anything they said? the indian government example is one where they cried wolf too many times.

Either way the required result was obtained. Soon, the western governments were deporting and reporting.

Remember your mughal masters and what they call you.

Just remember what my masters called your founders. Not sikh, but something else......hhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiinddduuuuuu

Yes, brahmgyani status can be achieved through various ways. The easiest way according to hindu scriptures is something naam simran or Naam jaap, another way is through absolute surrender to the will of a Guru.

Scriptures much like idols are supposed to be discarded when you reach a certain point. You don't burn them but become indifferent to them.

It's like you are about to cross a lake. You see a boat and use it to cross. When you get to the other side you don't burn or destroy the boat because you may need it again or somebody else may need it.

Without answering any of the questions rationally, you've simply resorted to throwing insults back and forth.

Now, let's try this again:

Is Brahm Gian attainable ONLY through hindu scriptures?

That is to say, do the hindu nation/scriptures have a monopoly/copyright on the universal divine truth?

I was talking about something else but you brought in the Arabs. Just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Next time remember the rate before you talk bakwas.

Now, since that's out of the way lets discuss the topic shall we?

Lol! Statistics don't lie. You have been slaves for 92 percent of your history.

That's a A plus plus. Every year it inches up. Soon you shall hit the 95 percent mark!

People with a 92 percent rate of slavery should not be casting stones..,

Sikhism has been around for 545 years. In that time only 50 years of independence with ranjit Singh.

50 divided by 545 equals an almost 92 percent slavery rate.

Your rate of slavery is an astonishing 92 percent!!!!!!

But you seem to go keep on going back to the same point of Arabs naming the people on the subcontinent and you seem to give it great weight in your arguments, so who is the slave me or you?

Learning very well from your masters.

You should listen to what your master jahangir says.

Yes, what do you think of my master calling guru Arjun dev as Hindu?

Muhaaaaaaaah oh tere you think you are getting me angry? I don't get angry have thick skin..

The only thing that gets me mad is little kids calling me uncle ji at the temple, and the smell of tharka

Your Moghul masters also gave you the same name.

Sour grapes? Ahhh...that's too bad. nanakpanthis lol

I'm going to invite you to Haridwar and this time you don't have to change your appearance and names to get a little bit of gyan to take back.

I'm reminded of a story from the jahangirnama it goes something like this " on the banks of the river Ravi lived a Hindu named Arjun"

So, I guess our master called us both Hindus.

Whether it's shahrukh tossing the Koran at the feet of Durga or salmon khan giving his sister away in marriage to a Hindu yesterday in a full Hindu ceremony or next month when Saif Ali khan is going to do the same with his sister Soha khan.

If khan sahib are so good why not promote them in business, education and other areas. Why just films?

Because that is the way it should be. And we only promote khans that are highly hinduized.