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See, our Guru ji has spoken to us and transformed our thinking within a few seconds? This is what I was trying to say earlier on. Our Guru ji teaches us and forgives us when we surrender ourselves completely. Anyway, I hope I haven't said too much! Take care and may Waheguru ji's blessings be upon you.

I get the picture. This is the only reason I just stick to what our Guru Sahibans have taught us because I know the Sikh world out there is very confusing and if you are not careful you can easily drown. I just stick to the SGGS and Banis of the Dasam Patshah ji and I don't look anywhere else for my spiritual journey. I am totally devoted to my faith. I don't agree with people that try to defame or question our Banis or holy Granths. I was quite shocked to read someone making a mockery of our Sacred Ardaas and our act of worship. The holy SGGS is not an 'idol' because idols don't speak to you. The holy SGGS speaks to us instead, every time we open its holy Angs. So, I can't quite understand how it can be referred to as 'idol.' People normalyy recite prayers to the idols which don't speak or make noise. Our holy SGGS is the opposite, it speaks to us.

Thanks for the explanation, jaikaara. As a sikh I try to follow Gurmat as much as I can. Yes, the Vedas and the Puraanas are mentioned as well as Ram, Krishan and Allah. But for Sikhs it is Waheguru or Ik Onkaar or Sat Naam Waheguru.

Thanks.

I see. I think I understand now. Thanks very much.

N30 Singh, You must have read my post by now. Can you please reply?

http://www.sikhmarg.com/english/sikhs-not-hindus.html

I totally agree. I think social reform in western societies was possible after the invention of conflict theory. This theory made people see how societies operated on day to day basis. It is this theory that pinpointed social weaknesses in western societies whereas the Functionalists were quite happy with the status quo.

Which problem are you on about? Stop misleading people on this forum. What medieval source are you talking about? What muslim source for heavens sake are you referring to? Which final rites of our Beloved Dasam Patshah do you mean? Don't you dare tell lies to us and stop forcing your hinduism on us. This is equivalent to force conversions. PS Do not bother to communicate with me . I have seen enough of your insults hurled at the Sacred Sikh Ardas. Who the hell are you to question whether it reaches 'your friend in the sky'? You think you are in a position to criticize, undermine or insult the Sikh Gurus on what they preached? So stop talking rubbish and think before you post. Making a mockery out of everything that is sacrosanct to all Sikhs! Let me tell you once again I am a Sikh and not a hindu I only worship ONE Waheguru. I am not interested in any other religion whether it is Christianity, Buddhism, Jainism or Islam. I respect their belief and act of worship but I only have faith in the Sikh Gurus and what they taught. I don't dislike anyone on this forum All I am saying is that as a Sikh I worship the way our Gurus have taught us. I Only believe in Ik Onkaar. I respect all religions.

I totally agree with you.

Can you be more precise as to what is your point? Which 'umbrella' are you referring to? What do you mean by 'sanatan' and please clarify its actual application to the Sikh religion. The Mool Mantra and the Gurmantra are the only two mantras we have in Sikhism, are you implying there are more? If so, which ones? Why are you attaching the word 'sanatan' with Sikhee? Did Guru Nanak dev ji not communicate to hindus and muslims that he belongs to neither of them? So, why are you connecting the hindu word 'sanatan' with Sikhee. Why are you deliberately confusing the two religions by conflating them? What is your goal? What is your aim? I don't really understand the aims and goals of this forum. I have seen no objection emanating from your quarters when people on this very forum were making a right mockery of the Sacred Sikh Ardas. They were questioning its effectiveness, as to how it manages to reach Vaheguru when the hindu pundits/brahmins were told they were wasting their time sending water to their departed relatives? There was a long discussion on this point and I witnessed many insults thrown at the Sacred Sikh Ardas and you did nothing to try and stop it. On another occasion someone on this very forum made a huge mockery of the Sikh way of worshipping their much revered Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. It was labelled by someone here as a 'ritual or idol worship.' This very person also supplied us with a youtube video clip. Do you not think that this can amount to huge beadbi for the Sikhs that are visiting this forum?

Interesting read. Why are they confusing the Sikh religion with the hindu religion then? Can someone explain this too?

Everything in my posts have been said as a Sikh. So where is the problem. No we don't believe in idoltry. The SGGS is surely convered with Rumaallas, but they don't have any physical features like the hindu idols do. So where is the problem? As a Sikh we are not to fast, no karvachoth varat either. We don't conduct the havan, So what is so contradictory? I am just telling you about my Sikh beliefs.

Why is this an 'accusation?' I don't honestly understand your meaning. The great Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not have eyes,nose ears limbs and other features assoiciated with idols made of stones. It is without human features, plus it is not painted.

Dalsingh101 I tend to avoid the micro sociological view of society over the others. I tend to favor the the Functionalists' view over theirs'.

Excuse me....when did I 'accuse' any religion? Can you show me?

Sorry but I don't understand to whom are you referring to in your first question. Mentioning of brahma, parbatimai is in no way sacrilege to sikhs, but we don't worship them. As far as hindu mantras are concerned I am a sikh so I have no desire to learn mantras outside of sikhee. I don't read vedas,puranas or upnishads. I know you can purchase them translated in English. Please note, I have just discovered the sikh religion and I am still learning. As to your last query I have a link you can visit. I find this link very helpful and it does have all the meanings of Rahaao, Bhagvati Chhand and many more Chhands and Aril too. It is been interesting communicating with you and I have learnt something new today about Sanatan Sikhism, I never knew before that it existed. http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/The_Encyclopedia_of_Sikhism

It is a certain culture the sikhs are following. Which culture(s) were predominant at the times of our Gurus. Which religious thinking legitimized the caste system, sati, kurri mar, donating female children to the temples etc? May be you can answer my queries. I am not trying to 'fob' anything away. My aim is to understand the reasons why sikhs still follow everything the Gurus tried to abolish.

The Sikh Gurus did abolish it but it is a certain culture that still encourages it.

I know and it is very sad and cruel to judge others according to their caste. We are all human at the end of the day.

Monotheism and polytheism are million of worlds apart. There is no mention of trinity in Sikh religion. The wonderful Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji invokes only one IK ONKAAR. Sikhs do not invoke the agni, the wind, the water, the stones or anything else when they start their spiritual journey. They only invoke Ik Onkaar, Sat Naam, Karta Purukh, Nirbow, Nirwair, Akaal Murat, Ajooni, Sahibang, Gurprasaad, Jap. All hindu mantras are insignificant and don't mean anything to a devout sikh. There are no pakhands and pujas in Sikh religion. No karwachoths, monday fast, tuesday fast, wednesday fast etc. No feeding of the dead relatives or kanjkaas. No wearing of a red thread on your wrists to signify you are a brahmin either. The great Sikh religion is a very straightforward and simple religion. It has done away with all the pakhands and pujas that existed at the time of the first Guru Sahiban ji. There are no similarities in any shape or form in this wonderful Chardi Kalaan religion.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/11185683/Indian-priest-thrashes-untouchable-boy-8-who-asked-for-sweets.html

We are all made of flesh, bones and blood. Here read this and see how cruel it is to believe in the caste system, dear starchpagg47. Your pagg looks very beautiful. This will make you cry. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/19/lynching-boy-underlines-curse-caste-still-blights-india

Reading this has really made me rethink about India. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/oct/31/india-sikhs-1984-massacre