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Posted 22 hours ago (edited) · Report post Bro, according to Bhai saab Bhai Gurdas jee Maharaaj (greatest Sikh scholar), they are not Vaish. He did not mention them in the Vaish category. Obviously, they are not Brahmans or Khatris. They are Shudars. Bhai saab jee has used the word "Jaat" (which is the Hindi version of the word "Jatt") in his vaaran. Bhul chuk maaf Edited 21 hours ago by paapiman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted 21 hours ago (edited) · Report post Pauri 11 (Vaaran Bhai Gurdaas) heading is "Vaish caste". Jatts are not mentioned in it. Pauri 12 (Vaaran Bhai Gurdaas) heading is "Castes and working classes". Jatts are mentioned in this Pauri. Please have a look below. Additional note: The line where Jatts are mentioned, Chimbay are also mentioned. We know from history and Gurbani that Srimaan Bhagat Naamdev jee Maharaaj was born in a Chimba family and was refereed to as a Shudar by Brahmans. ਕਿਤੜੇ ਸੂਦ ਸਦਾਇਦੇ ਕਿਤੜੇ ਕਾਇਥ ਲਿਖਣਹਾਰੇ। Kitarhay Sood Sadaaiay Kitarhay Kaaid Likhanahaaray. कितड़े सूद सदाइए कितड़े काइथ लिखणहारे । Many are Sud and many are kaith, the bookkeepers. 1 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੮ ਪਉੜੀ ੧੨ ਪੰ. ੧ ਕੇਤੜਿਆ ਹੀ ਬਾਣੀਏ ਕਿਤੜੇ ਭਾਭੜਿਆ ਸੁਨਿਆਰੇ। Kaytarhiaan Hee Baaneeay Kitarhay Bhaabharhiaan Souniaaray. केतड़िआं ही बाणीए कितड़े भाभड़िआं सुनिआरे । Many are traders and many more Jain goldsmiths. 2 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੮ ਪਉੜੀ ੧੨ ਪੰ. ੨ ਕੇਤੜਿਆ ਲਖ ਜਾਟ ਹੋਇ ਕੇਤੜਿਆ ਛੀਂਬੇ ਸੈਸਾਰੇ। Kaytarhiaan Lakh Jat Hoi Kaytarhiaan Chheenbai Saisaaray. केतड़िआं लख जट होइ केतड़िआं छींबै सैसारे । In this world millions are Jats and millions are calico printers. 3 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੮ ਪਉੜੀ ੧੨ ਪੰ. ੩ Source - http://searchgurbani.com/bhai_gurdas_vaaran/vaar/8/pauri/12 Bhul chuk maaf Edited 21 hours ago by paapiman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted 21 hours ago · Report post https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaishya According to the Hindu Puranas etc the shudras are supposed to take care of the other three Varnas. The jatt is a vaishya according to Hindu Puranas etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted 21 hours ago · Report post Daas heard a Sikh scholar too, who mentioned Jatts as Vaish, but bro, we have to give Bhai Gurdaas Vaaran more credibility than a scholar or Puranas. Bhul chuk maaf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted 21 hours ago (edited) · Report post The below is regarding Pandit Gulab Singh jee: Quote When his teacher there discovered that he was not a Brahman, but a Jatt, he turned him out of his seminar)7 with the rebuke that, being a sudra, he had no right to Sanskrit and Vedic education. Unquote[1] [1] - http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/biographies/sikh-mystics-and-traditional-scholars/gulab-singh-pandit Bhul chuk maaf Edited 20 hours ago by paapiman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted 19 hours ago · Report post ੧੨ : ਗੋਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਕਿਰਤ ਦੀਆਂ ਜਾਤਾਂ This means different gots and different jaats. ਕਿਤੜੇ ਸੂਦ ਸਦਾਇਦੇ ਕਿਤੜੇ ਕਾਇਥ ਲਿਖਣਹਾਰੇ। Kitarhay Sood Sadaaiay Kitarhay Kaaid Likhanahaaray. कितड़े सूद सदाइए कितड़े काइथ लिखणहारे । Many are Sud and many are kaith, the bookkeepers. Here it means that they are many shudras and bookkeepers. Notice how they are separate. If they were one varna then bhai gurdas Ji would have written many bookkeepers are shudras etc and so on. He is just stating more jaats etc. Also there is historical evidence that jatts actually came from Rajputs. I will post it shortly ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted 10 hours ago · Report post http://www.academia.edu/1092421/Deeper_Roots_Of_The_Gill_Bhatti_Sidhu_Brar_Toor_and_Related_Jat_and_Rajput_Clans --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No one is denying that he was a spiritual person, but he was a hypocrite. If you had read the above underlined sentences, you would understand. He falsely claimed to be Brahma jee. That does not prove anything. One could be friends, even with a non-believer. Who has twisted words? The above is from the autobiography of Bhai Randhir Singh jee and the above video clip is of the great fearless soul, Jarnail Singh jee Bhindrawale. He might have been way above me in spirituality, but he was no match to Gurmukh Brahamgyanis like Baba Nand Singh jee, Baba Ishar Singh jee, Baba Attar Singh jee, etc. So according to you, exposing an imperfect guru for the benefit of mankind, is ninda? If Babu Sawan Grewal was alive, do you want your Sikh brothers and sisters to go and eat something which he has taken out from his anus? Do you think that Jarnail Singh jee Bhindrawale or Nanaksar Mahapurakh will lie? Stating a fact for the benefit of others, is not slander (ninda). Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, have a look below. Babu Sawan Grewal exposed by Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh jee too. He might have been way above me in spirituality, but he was no match to Gurmukh Brahamgyanis like Baba Nand Singh jee, Baba Ishar Singh jee, Baba Attar Singh jee, etc. Bhul chuk maaf

The fact remains that Jatts were not put in Brahman, Khatri or Vaish categories, by Bhai saab jee. Most likely, they belong to the Shudar varna. Some Jatts do have Rajput blood in them. Bhul chuk maaf

Daas (Paapiman) needs to get rid of Manmat and adopt Gurmat. Bhul chuk maaf

Jarnail Singh jee mentions him as Babu Saun Singh. In Punjabi, the word "Sawan" (Hindi) is pronounced as Saun by some people. Life durations do not prove anything. The scholar from Nanaksar, daas talked to, is even younger than Jarnail Singh jee. Even, he is aware of this act by Babu Sawan Grewal. Bro, please keep in mind that Srimaan 108 Sant Gyani Sundar Singh jee Khalsa Bhindrawale and Srimaan 108 Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh jee Khalsa Bhindrawale lived during Babu Sawan's time. It is possible that this information was passed down in Taksaal. Anyways, you have created a little doubt in my mind regarding whom Jarnail Singh jee are talking about. Daas is 99% sure that it is Babu Sawan Grewal of Radhaswamis.......will try to confirm this with a scholar. Anyways, Jarnail singh jee mentioned "Radhaswami" for sure, which proves that this person has something to do with Radhaswamis. Bhul chuk maaf

Good points bro, but no one has done ninda in this topic. Stating a fact is not ninda, especially if you have audio evidence in the form of speech of a person like Jarnail Singh jee. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, Jarnail SIngh jee mentions his name. He says "Babu Sawan Singh" (please listen to first 10 seconds). Bhul chuk maaf

The below is regarding Pandit Gulab Singh jee: Quote When his teacher there discovered that he was not a Brahman, but a Jatt, he turned him out of his seminar)7 with the rebuke that, being a sudra, he had no right to Sanskrit and Vedic education. Unquote[1] [1] - http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/biographies/sikh-mystics-and-traditional-scholars/gulab-singh-pandit Bhul chuk maaf

There was another personality in our panth, Pandit Gulab Singh jee. He was once refused some knowledge (videya) or rejected as a pupil (something like that), for being a Shudar. He was from a Jatt background. Bhul chuk maaf

Daas heard a Sikh scholar too, who mentioned Jatts as Vaish, but bro, we have to give Bhai Gurdaas Vaaran more credibility than a scholar or Puranas. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, are you 100% sure that it was a false accusation on Gyani jee? Bhul chuk maaf

Pauri 11 (Vaaran Bhai Gurdaas) heading is "Vaish caste". Jatts are not mentioned in it. Pauri 12 (Vaaran Bhai Gurdaas) heading is "Castes and working classes". Jatts are mentioned in this Pauri. Please have a look below. Additional note: The line where Jatts are mentioned, Chimbay are also mentioned. We know from history and Gurbani that Srimaan Bhagat Naamdev jee Maharaaj was born in a Chimba family and was refereed to as a Shudar by Brahmans. ਕਿਤੜੇ ਸੂਦ ਸਦਾਇਦੇ ਕਿਤੜੇ ਕਾਇਥ ਲਿਖਣਹਾਰੇ। Kitarhay Sood Sadaaiay Kitarhay Kaaid Likhanahaaray. कितड़े सूद सदाइए कितड़े काइथ लिखणहारे । Many are Sud and many are kaith, the bookkeepers. 1 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੮ ਪਉੜੀ ੧੨ ਪੰ. ੧ ਕੇਤੜਿਆ ਹੀ ਬਾਣੀਏ ਕਿਤੜੇ ਭਾਭੜਿਆ ਸੁਨਿਆਰੇ। Kaytarhiaan Hee Baaneeay Kitarhay Bhaabharhiaan Souniaaray. केतड़िआं ही बाणीए कितड़े भाभड़िआं सुनिआरे । Many are traders and many more Jain goldsmiths. 2 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੮ ਪਉੜੀ ੧੨ ਪੰ. ੨ ਕੇਤੜਿਆ ਲਖ ਜਾਟ ਹੋਇ ਕੇਤੜਿਆ ਛੀਂਬੇ ਸੈਸਾਰੇ। Kaytarhiaan Lakh Jat Hoi Kaytarhiaan Chheenbai Saisaaray. केतड़िआं लख जट होइ केतड़िआं छींबै सैसारे । In this world millions are Jats and millions are calico printers. 3 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੮ ਪਉੜੀ ੧੨ ਪੰ. ੩ Source - http://searchgurbani.com/bhai_gurdas_vaaran/vaar/8/pauri/12 Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, according to Bhai saab Bhai Gurdas jee Maharaaj (greatest Sikh scholar), they are not Vaish. He did not mention them in the Vaish category. Obviously, they are not Brahmans or Khatris. They are Shudars. Bhai saab jee has used the word "Jaat" (which is the Hindi version of the word "Jatt") in his vaaran. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, Daas knows of a scholar (associated with Nanaksar). Even he was aware of this. This is 100% true. Jarnail Singh jee Bhindrawale would never lie. Bhul chuk maaf

Khalsa jee, watch/listen to this video, where Sant Jarnail Singh jee Khalsa Bhindrawale exposes the so-called Radhaswami guru Sawan Grewal. He used to eat supari, excrete it (through anus), wash it, crush it and put it in langar (which will be eaten by people). This causes people (who eat the langar) to be influenced by the person, who has excreted the product. Here is the tidbit by Srimaan 108 Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh jee Khalsa Bhindranwale exposing Babu Sawan Singh Grewal. The person actually starts seeing the image of the Ghor Mantri inside his mind after eating the fecal matter. Please start listening at 12:50 min: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Gurbachan_Singh_(Bhindran_wale)/Guru_Granth_Sahib_Larivaar_Katha/Volume_13_Ang_1168-1273/075--Sant.Gurbachan.Singh.(Bhindran.wale)--Raag.Saarang--Ang-1242.(Vaar).mp3 Bhul chuk maaf

Trehan and Bhalla are both Khatri (warrior) sub-castes. Some surnames are common between different tribes/races. Second master (Trehan) and third master (Bhalla) were both from Hindu Khatri (warrior) caste/varan. Their families trace back their roots to Sri Ram Chandar jee Maharaaj. Bhul chuk maaf

Any updates on this issue? Has anyone talked to Gyani jee about this incident? Where is Gyani jee nowadays? Thanks Bhul chuk maaf

Jatts might be a tribe or a race, but they were part of the Shudar (so-called lowest) varan (caste). Bhul chuk maaf

Unacceptable act by these so-called Sikhs. These idiots should be punished. This has already been discussed on this forum. Please have a look: http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/16504-so-called-sikhs-beating-a-sadhu/ Bhul chuk maaf

Does anyone else, know of more Gurbani tuks, which have an apparent sexual imagery? Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, we cannot change the facts. Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Rai Dev Bedi jee Maharaaj is the greatest. To co-exist, we need to respect other people's spiritual paths; not start equating them to Gurmat. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, we don't need to get into too many complications. The original post highlights the greatness of Satguru jee. Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Rai Dev Bedi jee Maharaaj is the greatest entity (in human form) that ever walked the planet earth. Being his Sikhs, will definitely give us more advantage than other people. Our Mantars are the most powerful ones. Any person can become a Sikh, consume khanday da amrit and then reap the rewards. Sikhs are not stopping anyone from accepting Satguru jee, as their guru and savior. Bhul chuk maaf

Thanks bro. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, Rikhi Bhrigu jee Maharaaj introduced this field of study, so that Brahmans could make a living out of it. There is nothing wrong, if a Astrologer charges for his services; even doctors, dentists, etc get paid for their services. As long as the Astrologer is not duping people. it should be fine. Bhul chuk maaf