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Bro, here they are: ਸਸੁੜਿ ਸੁਹੀਆ ਕਿਵ ਕਰੀ ਨਿਵਣੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ਥਣੀ ॥ O mother-in-law, how can I bow? Because of my stiff nipples, I cannot bow. ------ ਸੇ ਭੀ ਢਹਦੇ ਡਿਠੁ ਮੈ ਮੁੰਧ ਨ ਗਰਬੁ ਥਣੀ ॥੧॥ - I have seen them come crumbling down. O bride, do not be so proud of your nipples. ||1|| Bhul chuk maaf

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Excellent point, bro. Bhul chuk maaf

Can someone please explain the meaning of this tuk, from astrological perspective? Daas might be wrong, but it seems like astrological terms are used in this tuk. Request: There might be many more arths of this tuk, but can we please focus on one arth in this topic. ਪਸਰੀ ਕਿਰਣਿ ਰਸਿ ਕਮਲ ਬਿਗਾਸੇ ਸਸਿ ਘਰਿ ਸੂਰੁ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥ (ANG 1332) The rays of light spread out, and the heart-lotus joyfully blossoms forth; the sun enters into the house of the moon Thanks Bhul chuk maaf

ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਪਿਰੁ ਰਾਵੇ ਆਪਣਾ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਸੋਈ ॥੨॥ ਪਿਰੁ ਰਾਵੇ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਾਤੜੀਏ ਪਿਰ ਕਾ ਮਹਲੁ ਤਿਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਰਾਮ ॥ Mention the above tuks to any non-Sikh Punjabi and he will, most likely, agree that there is sexual imagery involved in these verses. People on this forum, being Sikhs, know that it is referring to the love between, soul bride and husband God. Similarly, Sri Charitropakhian Sahib jee has deeper spiritual meanings. If one rejects it, for it being sexually explicit, then one will also have to reject the above verses of SSGGSJ. Easy way out - If one has so much problem with tenth master's holy words, then one must leave Sikhism. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, it is on Ang 1124 (Raag Kaydaaraa). Bhul chuk maaf

Good points bro. Gurparsaad, the katha of Sri Charitropakhian Sahib jee will be out in the future. That should eliminate many doubts too. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, you have a good point. This Gurbani can be of great help to people who work at high levels of military, government, corporate industry, administration, etc and also for people who are attractive and wealthy. Having said that, some Charitars can even teach a layman, great morals and ethics, which can be applied in daily life. People, who are below the age of 25 or people, who are greatly affected by Kaam (lust) should also avoid reading these Charitars. Bhul chuk maaf

Choice is simple, for these nindaks of Gurbani. Insult of SDGSJ = Insult of SSGGSJ = Get out of Sikh panth. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, is the above charitar, regarding a particular personality? Bhul chuk maaf

Provide evidence, not personal opinions. There are people out there, who are insulting Gurbani. They need to be tackled hard. Become a registered member and discuss. Bhul chuk maaf

ਗੋਤਮੁ ਤਪਾ ਅਹਿਲਿਆ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਦੇਖਿ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੁ ਲੁਭਾਇਆ ॥ Ahalyaa was the wife of Gautam the seer. Seeing her, Indra was enticed. ਸਹਸ ਸਰੀਰ ਚਿਹਨ ਭਗ ਹੂਏ ਤਾ ਮਨਿ ਪਛੋਤਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ When he received a thousand marks of disgrace on his body, then he felt regret in his mind. ||1|| - The word " ਭਗ " refers to Vagina. What was the need for Satguru jee to use such explicit word? ਜਹ ਕੀ ਉਪਜੀ ਤਹ ਰਚੀ ਪੀਵਤ ਮਰਦਨ ਲਾਗ ॥ From where one is born (vagina), one indulges in pleasure from it, where one drinks milk from (breasts), one wishes to rub/massage them. - What is the need for Satguru jee to be so sexually explicit? Why talk about vagina and massaging breasts? This can easily invoke lust. ਉਤੰਗੀ ਪੈਓਹਰੀ ਗਹਿਰੀ ਗੰਭੀਰੀ ॥ O you with swollen breasts, let your consciousness become deep and profound. - Why is Satguru talking about swollen/big breasts? This can easily invoke lust. ਅਜੁ ਨ ਸੁਤੀ ਕੰਤ ਸਿਉ ਅੰਗੁ ਮੁੜੇ ਮੁੜਿ ਜਾਇ ॥ This night, I did not sleep with my Husband , and now my body is suffering in pain. - Why is Satguru jee talking about sleeping with husband? This can easily invoke lust. Note: In the below verses: ਪਿਰਿ - can refer to Husband ਰਾਵਿਅੜੀ - enjoying, which could be taken as sexual enjoyment ਰਾਵੇ - ਭੋਗਦਾ ਹੈ - which can refer to sexual enjoyment ਪਿਰਿ ਰਾਵਿਅੜੀ ਸਬਦਿ ਰਲੀ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਨਹ ਦੂਰੀ ਰਾਮ ॥ She enjoys and ravishes her Husband, and blends into the Word of the Shabad, pervading and permeating everywhere; the Lord is not far away. ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਪਿਰੁ ਰਾਵੇ ਆਪਣਾ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਸੋਈ ॥੨॥ O Nanak, the bride enjoys and ravishes her Beloved; God is pervading and permeating everywhere. ||2|| ਪਿਰੁ ਰਾਵੇ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਾਤੜੀਏ ਪਿਰ ਕਾ ਮਹਲੁ ਤਿਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਰਾਮ ॥ Ravishing/enjoying with her Husband, she is imbued with His Love; she obtains the Mansion of His Presence. - Why is Satguru jee talking about enjoying with husband? This can be taken in the wrong sense and invoke lust. Another verse with Sexual Imagery: ANG 198 ਜਿਉ ਕਾਪੁਰਖੁ ਪੁਚਾਰੈ ਨਾਰੀ ॥੧॥ or a eunuch caressing a woman. ||1|| ਕਾਪੁਰਖੁ - can refer to a transgender or an impotent man ਪੁਚਾਰੈ - can mean licking and kissing (Please see Pg. 6 for evidence) Another meaning: How can an impotent man satisfy the sexual desires of a woman (Please see Pg.6 for evidence from Fareedkot wala teeka) More Verses ਅਨਦੁ ਕਰਹੁ ਮਿਲਿ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਨਾਰੀ ॥ Literally it means - enjoy with beautiful women. ਸਸੁੜਿ ਸੁਹੀਆ ਕਿਵ ਕਰੀ ਨਿਵਣੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ਥਣੀ ॥ O mother-in-law, how can I bow? Because of my stiff nipples, I cannot bow. ------ ਸੇ ਭੀ ਢਹਦੇ ਡਿਠੁ ਮੈ ਮੁੰਧ ਨ ਗਰਬੁ ਥਣੀ ॥੧॥ - I have seen them come crumbling down. O bride, do not be so proud of your nipples. ||1|| ਨਵ ਰੰਗ ਲਾਲੁ ਸੇਜ ਰਾਵਣ ਆਇਆ ॥ My Darling Beloved is new and fresh; He has come to my bed to enjoy me. ਕਾਮਣਿ ਤਉ ਸੀਗਾਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਕੰਤੁ ਮਨਾਇ ॥ O bride, decorate yourself, after you surrender and accept your Husband. ਮਤੁ ਸੇਜੈ ਕੰਤੁ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਏਵੈ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਾਇ ॥ Otherwise, your Husband will not come to your bed, and your ornaments will be useless. -------- ਕਹਾਂ ਸੁ ਸੇਜ ਸੁਖਾਲੀ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਵੇਖਿ ਨੀਦ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥ Where are those beautiful women, reclining on their beds, whose beauty would not allow one to sleep? Bhul chuk maaf

Warning: Sexually explicit material below. Daas will kindly request sangat, below the age of 25 or people who are greatly affected by Lust, to stay away from this discussion. Please forgive me for being explicit.The purpose of this discussion would be to show anti-Dasam Gurbani heretics, that sexual imagery is also present in SSGGSJ. If one has so much problem with Sri Charitropakhian Sahib jee , then how come they don't problems with these verses in SSGGSJ? If these people say that the below verses have different meanings, then they must also be open to the possibility that Sri Charitropakhian Sahib jee can have deeper meanings too. Please note: Daas will be asking some rhetorical questions at the end of these verses. These questions can be used to prove that, one can even question certain verses of SSGGSJ and start rejecting them. Bhul chuk maaf

Another interesting moral of the above sakhi is that coercion is not allowed in Gurmat and Sikhs must stand against it. The King wanted to coerce Bhagat jee to recite "Allah", but Bhagat jee, being fearless, did not agree to do so, even though Allah is the Arabic word for God. Reciting a word according to your own will and doing so under duress, are completely different acts. Waheguru is the gumantar for Sikhs. Other communities will have different ones. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, the fact that Sri Hanumaan jee was given a Kachera by Sri Ram Chander jee Maharaaj, is mentioned in Gurbani Path Darpan, which was written by Srimaan 108 Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh jee Khalsa Bhindrawale. Bhul chuk maaf

Dhan Guru Nanak......tu hee Nirankaar. Bhul chuk maaf

Most likely, those are mantars, like Waheguru mantar. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, your point makes sense, but the command of the Lord has to be followed. Bhul chuk maaf

Good question bro. Firstly, we are not sure if those individuals were Keshdharis (from head to toe). Maharaaj said he will save amritdharis/keshdharis from hell; nothing is mentioned about heaven. Next, most likely, the above individuals must have received curses by Gursikhs. According to Gurbani, the curse of a Bhagat is above Satguru jee's bachan. ਮੇਰੀ ਬਾਂਧੀ ਭਗਤੁ ਛਡਾਵੈ ਬਾਂਧੈ ਭਗਤੁ ਨ ਛੂਟੈ ਮੋਹਿ ॥ The devotee can release anyone from my bondage, but I cannot release anyone from his. Finally, Satguru jee has various other means to punish an individual for their sins, other than hell fire. The above is a promise made by Satguru jee, which signifies the importance of kesh (uncut hair from head to toe) as "Guru kee Mohar". Bhul chuk maaf

Can some please elaborate on the stories associated with Pingula (a prostitute) and Lodhia? ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਪਿੰਗੁਲਾ ਲੁਭਤੁ ਕੁੰਚਰੁ ਗਏ ਹਰਿ ਕੈ ਪਾਸਿ ॥ Ajaamal, Pingulaa, Lodhia and the elephant went to the Lord. Request - Please provide information from orthodox Sikh Scholars only. Thanks Bhul chuk maaf

wjkk wjkf Cyber sangat jee, please listen to the katha by Gyani Avtaar Singh jee Badnikalan. A person who consumes khanday da amrit or at least keeps kesh (uncut hair), will be saved from all types of hell, by Sri Satguru jee (Tenth master). Please listen after 6.00 min http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/02_Present_Day_Katha/Bhai_Avtar_Singh_(Badni_Kalan_wale)/Katha_Sri_Guru_Granth_Sahib_Ji/CD_10/02--Bhai.Avtar.Singh--Katha.Guru.Granth.Sahib.Ji.Vol.10--Ang.402%2C.Line.03.mp3 Bhul chuk maaf Dhan Guru Nanak........tu hee Nirankaar wjkk wjkf

Any other names like Raam, Hari, Madsudhan, Allah, Khuda, Bethal, etc. There are thousands of them. Bhul chuk maaf

Both of you, Singhs are very lucky. Quote If one sees oneself receiving blessing from the gods, gurus, brahmanas or elders or of being by them with water, deem it as heralding your fortunate period in real life. Unquote[1] [1] - Agni Purana Dhan Dhan Srimaan Sant Baba Nand Singh jee Maharaaj Kaleranwale Dhan Dhan Dhan Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Rai Dev Bedi jee Maharaaj

Bhai saab Bhai Gurdaas jee Maharaaj explained the Waheguru mantar to some pandits. This clearly proves that it existed before tenth master. Bhul chuk maaf