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The below tuk clearly instructs SIkhs, not to wear tight clothes. This is one of the arths of this tuk. There might be many more. ਜਿਤੁ ਪੈਧੈ ਤਨੁ ਪੀੜੀਐ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥੧॥ Wearing tight clothes, evil thoughts arise in mind The above mentioned applies to Brahamgyanis, not to vikarees like me. How many Brahamgyanis do you think, are there on this forum? Satguru jee made some strict rules, so that we can spiritually grow. Like a child, when he is young, needs proper discipline to succeed in schooling. Once, he matures, he is able to move on his own. Rules are very important. You cannot compare a society where women are dressed modestly (from a male perspective) to a society where you have half naked women roaming around. Obviously, for a jagahasuu, former will help him grow spiritually. You cannot start a fire and expect that no heat will be produced. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

I am not entitled to more things than you, as I am myself a big sinner. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Good question bro. God willing, I will try to find out the answer for it. There is a sakhi which states that, once tenth master wore a red turban and was looking very handsome. There was a lady who got sexually attracted to Satguru jee. Maharaaj had to jump out of the window to escape. After that, he declared that Singhs should not wear red clothes. I will try to find the video link for it. The sakhi was narrated by a Mahapurakh. With regards to red rumallay, as I had said earlier, we cannot apply Gurbani tuks to Satguru jee. Satguru jee can do whatever he wants. Like for example, Satguru jee wore gold ornaments, but Khalsa is not suppose to wear Gold. Secondly, Satguru jee had multiple wives, but we are not allowed to practice polygamy. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

But these are the akhree arths of that tuk. If you follow the above akhree arths, why don't you follow the akhree arth of the below mentioned tuk. ਸੂਹਾ ਰੰਗੁ ਵਿਕਾਰੁ ਹੈ ਕੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਜਾਇ The red color is vain and useless; it cannot help you obtain your Husband Lord. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

I don't consider myself above you at all. In fact, you are a way better person than me. Dogs and cats like me, are born and die everyday. Having said the above, Gurmat cannot be changed to suit to human weaknesses such as sexual pleasures, drug pleasures, food pleasures, praise pleasures, etc Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

God willing, I will try to find the truth regarding this matter. Srimaan 108 Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh jee Khalsa Bhindrawale can never lie. Even an ordinary person is scared to tell a lie. Here, we are talking about a Brahamgyani. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Bro, don't get agitated. You need to explain what is wrong with Sri Hanumaan jee wearing a Kachera, which was gifted to him by Sri Ram Chandar jee? Brahmins and yogis also kept kesh before Satguru jee came to this earth in human form. So, what's all the fuss about? Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

During those times, child marriages were common. A girl would be married at a very young age but she would stay with her parents till she matured. Then, the in-laws would come to receive her. There is reference to it in Gurbani too. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Even if Satguru jee had married 1000's of women, it would have been fine as he is the Almighty. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

That's good to hear. In the same, one should also respect other prophets, saints, Hindu deities, etc. We can learn a lot from them. We should not worship them, but we must also not have any form of hatred against them. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

I trust you bro. I don't think you will lie, but this is Kaljugee time. There are some trolls out there to cause rifts and confusion among people. It is always good to have references ready before passing an opinion, especially on a public forum. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

The reason for mentioning Sri Hanumaan jee is because he had a very high spiritual level and was one of the greatest celibates. His name is mentioned in Gurbani too. We as Sikhs, are suppose to learn from everyone. This is a basic fundamental of Sikhism. Next, someone will ask, why is there so much reference to Hindu Deities in Gurbani? What will you say then? Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Today, some Sikh women cannot fathom the greatness of Satguru jee as they have not lived in those time where women were treated so badly. There is an example of this in history. There were two women,who listened to a katha and they were caught. It was decided to pour hot wax into their ears as they had broken the so-called laws. Even Brahmin and Khatri women did not have certain rights, you can imagine the status of so-called low caste women (JYI- approximately more than 80% of today's Sikhs are derived from so-called lower castes like jatts, tarkhans, chamars, Chimbay, etc) Bottom line - Women have been given optimum rights in Sikhism. Whatever was given to them during the times of Satguru jee was revolutionary. Some examples are listed below. Today we see, Sikh women are allowed to listen to Katha. Sikh women can recite mantars (Women and Shudar people were not allowed to recite mantars) Sikh women are allowed to listen to kirtan. Sikh women are allowed to do seva in langar. Sikh women are allowed to attain shaster videya. Sikh women are allowed to attain shaastar videya. Sikh women can be part of gurudwara committees. Sikh women can receive the same amrit, as given to men. Sikhism has done a lot to uplift the status of women. Dhan Dhan Satguru Sri Guru Nanak dev jee Maharaaj.

Bro, I never said, all the information on sarabloh is true. I just gave a reference from it. For example, if I talk about Jesus, it does not mean that I worship him.

Please state any culture/religion (other than Hindu/Sikh), where Kachera was used as a sign of celibacy? With references please?

Can you please provide us with the above mentioned katha?

The rules are in Gurbani. In Gurbani, it clearly states that one should not wear tight clothes. There is scientific evidence available ( I am sure some paapi people like me know it too) regarding where most of the men look, when they see a woman. Bhul Chuk Maaf. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

I have a question for you bro. What is the arth of this tuk according to you? socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ]

Bro, Gyani jee never said that Bhagats were in janam-maran cycle. Some Bhagats, according to their will came back during the times of the tenth master. It is possible today too. If Baba Deep Singh jee wants to come back, he can come back too. I don't think Gyani jee said that Kakkars were gifted to Khalsa by Hindu Gods. The Kakkars were in use before the panth came into existence. We cannot deny that. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

I was about to say that to you.....hahaha. If you reject the akhree arth of the above tuk, then you will have to be consistent and reject the akhree arths of all Gurbani tuks. Many Gurbani tuks have multiple arths and all of them are true. There is a tuk in gurbani, which has more than 20 arths. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

omg.. this will take time. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Those are the deeper meanings of this tuk. One cannot discard the akhree arth of Gurbanee. That would mean that, Gurbanee is false on akhree level. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

As Sikhs, we should only worship, Satguru Sri Guru Nanak dev jee Maharaaj, the incarnation of the Almighty Lord. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Following blindly means, not to question Satguru's jee actions or create doubts on Satguru jee. It does not mean, one should not listen to Gurbani veechar. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Have some respect bro, for such people of such high avastha. People respect their elders so much even though, they are just kaljugee beings. At least, write a suffix of 'jee' to their names. Gurbani instructs us to respect saints a lot. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh