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  9. Accidently consumed alcohol in a food

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    52 minutes ago, Ragmaala said:

    There is a bibi who shares the experience of her Amritdhari Father who wore all 5 kakar but used to drink Alcohol secretely, and was thus re incarnated in the form of Bhoot and had to suffer. Check out the channel i posted, its in there. 

    You might call alcohol kurehit or bajjar kurehit, but regardless of semantics end result of Alcohol is bad even if you are amritdhari. 

    There is a reason that consumption of alcohol is a Kurehat and not a Bajjar Kurehat. Singhs can consume alcohol in a battlefield. There are two historical references to alcohol consumption in Sikh literature.

    Other than that, Sardar Charat Singh Sukarchakia, the famous Sikh warrior and grandfather of Maharaja Ranjit Singh used to drink alcohol too. Maharaja Ranjit Singh, who has made Sikhs famous all over the world, also used to drink alcohol. Just a couple of examples. Obviously, they don't justify the use of alcohol for recreational or intoxication purposes.

    Also, from a modern perspective, alcohol is probably used in a lot of medications and other stuff like colognes, mouthwashes, deodorants, etc, so it makes sense for it to be a Kurehat only.

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

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  11. Accidently consumed alcohol in a food

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    15 hours ago, sevak said:

    Veer Ji, pls dont say that alcohol is not B. Kurait. Some naive person will read this forum and start consuming and getting drunk.

    Bhai saab jee, we also have to stick to the Truth. We cannot invent new Bajjar Kurehats. Someone even said that dyeing beard or Kesh is a Bajjar Kurehat, which is clearly wrong, Dyeing hair is a Kurehat, not a Bajjar Kurehat.

    According to Gurmat, drinking alcohol is still a big sin.

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

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  15. Accidently consumed alcohol in a food

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    12 hours ago, sevak said:

    Veer ji, consumption of alcohol is a bujjer K. All intoxicants are infact - cannabis, marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, all kinds of drugs or anything that alters your mind.

    Paaji, only consumption of tobacco in any form is a Bajjar Kurehat. Consumption of Alcohol and other intoxicants is a Kurehat.

    For Cannabis and Marijuana, please see the link below.

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

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  16. Panjabi (0.5%, 291,000

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    On 11/30/2022 at 10:33 AM, ਰੂਪ ਢਿੱਲੋਂ said:
    he most common main languages, other than English (English or Welsh in Wales), were: Polish (1.1%, 612,000), Romanian (0.8%, 472,000), Panjabi (0.5%, 291,000), and Urdu (0.5%, 270,000).
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    Looking at the languages chart two things could be said 1) We can't do anything about immigration patterns and this century it is all Eastern European 2) We can if we are Pakistani Panjabi stop writing Urdu ( Ironically an imported Indian language) as our language and at least keep Panjabi at 3

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    How come Romanian rose so much in the past 10 years or so? A lot of Romanians are immigrating to UK?

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

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  17. Accidently consumed alcohol in a food

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    On 12/4/2022 at 8:50 AM, Khalsa01848 said:

    Wjkk wjkf

    I want to start off my saying I was recently blessed with amrit and am 17yrs old, I had a yoghurt dessert that said it was plant friendly/vegan so I had it, but then after having this, my father tried it and he said it tasted like it had alcohol and said it could be in there, I went to check and I saw it said it had alcohol in it, from which i got very emotional and disappointed in my self for this, i did ardaas straight away to guru sahib ji for forgiveness becuase I rather die than have a drop of alcohol in body and it was truly a foolish accident so I want to ask if have broke amrit, I am waiting for the next amrit sanchaar to do pesh but it is very painful, i don't know why I didn't look at ingredients despite it saying vegan as I only want to serve the guru with love and stay within the rehat of the khalsa but I have failed.

    Calm down bro.

    Consumption of Alcohol is not a Bajjar Kurehat. It is a Kurehat. Consumption of tobacco in any form is a Bajjar Kurehat. Plus, you did not even consume Alcohol intentionally. So, please don't worry too much about it.

    But, if you feel the need to go for Peshi you can go. 

    In general, please focus more on Inner Rehat (along with Naam Simran and Seva), rather than Outer Rehat.

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

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  18. Sharda Pooran Granth

    in Meditation | Simran | Bhakti | Jap

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    On 11/11/2022 at 2:05 AM, Guest Papi Das said:

    Hello,

    I want to understand how strict does one need to be with the time ?
    It mentions the Jaap should be done at a fixed time everyday.

    Should it be the same exact clock time ? Or it is fine as long as it is amritvela

    For example, one day a person did jaap at 4, but next day due to some circumstances he got 10 mins late and started at 4:10. What would happen in this case ?
    Will the person need to start all over again ?

    IMHO, +/- 10 min should not be a big problem. Try your best to start the Jaap at the same time everyday, if possible.

    Amritvela starts at approximately 3 hours before sunrise. So, in case you are doing the Jaap at Amritvela, at least make sure you start and complete the Jaap within that time frame. Also, please do remember to check the time for sunrise (at least on a weekly basis), as Amritvela will change moderately, if you are doing a 21-day or 40-day Jaap.

    Lastly, please focus more on the Jaap rather than being worried too much about the timings.

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

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    Time to sign off.......

    in Chill out Relaxing Zone

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    On 11/10/2022 at 8:16 AM, dalsingh101 said:

    I've been on these forums for well over a decade now. In that time, I've learnt SO MUCH about my Sikhi heritage (recently especially in terms of my own Bhai Daya Singh sampardaya heritage), learnt to read my prayers (though I don't do that nearly enough these days), finally improved my Gurmukhi skills (through translations we did together) and shared opinions on many topics, I've felt were important to our panth (like grooming and caste), and maybe most importantly (???) brought simran/meditation into my life.  Spending time on forums is often considered a waste of time, and often is, but I can say here, in my personal experience - that has not been true and places like this have helped me grow so much.  

    I want to thank all the people who have helped on this journey even though I have so much to still work on myself. 

    I guess I'm just posting this to let people know that work commitments and a sense that the community will now go in whichever direction it will, and that I've more than said my piece - means that I won't be frequenting the sites like I did before. I will check in now and then because sometimes gems come up. But the rest of you, take care of yourselves, and always keep our Guru's and what they stood for in your hearts and souls. 

    I've have some old broken laptops with images and documents that might be of interest. When I get these transferred onto a hard drive in future (probably after the new year), I'll post anything I think worthy of sharing.

     

    One love and thank you my brothers and sisters. 

     

    Dal Singh

     

    PS - N30, you're a star for championing free speech in the panth like you have!

    You are NOT allowed to leave bro. Get your ass back here.

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

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    maryada and helful tips for Kes (hair) and Kangha (comb)

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    2 hours ago, 1324GN said:

    I was looking for some helpful tips or information from the sangat about below-mentioned questions. Especially the inputs from sangat that keeps Kes (hair) and Kangha (wooden comb) maryada, and hence may have faced these issues, are especially welcome.

    1. I think amritdhari sikhs are required to keep Kangha on them at all times. How do you manage that at night while sleeping. I have tried to keep Kangha in parna (small turban) but it tends to slip away when I am sleeping (i am not amritdhari yet but wanted to keep as much maryada as I can). How about when you are washing your hair?

    2. What should be done about the hairs that break away after washing them. I have heard that a lot of people burn them respectfully instead of throwing in garbage. How do you manage that in western-styled homes with fire alarms. Any helpful information is welcome. Thanks very much and apologies for all inadvertent mistakes.

    wjkk wjkf

    Welcome to the forum bro.

    You can attach a thread to the Kanga and wear it around your neck, like a necklace, while you are sleeping or bathing

    As for Kesh, just ask the Panj Pyare when you go for Amrit Sanchaar.

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

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    Who is the head of Nanaksar?

    in Sikh Sampardaaye Section

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    On 7/5/2015 at 3:46 PM, Ragmaala said:

    During the 1965 Ind vs China, sikh soldiers who were Nanaksar sangees had visions of Baba Ji wielding Khanda and doing sodha of Chinese army. Such was the shakti of Baba Ishar Singh Ji. 

    They had visions in their dreams or in reality? Any Indian Army sources (or Chinese sources) which mention this incident? Most likely, those Sikh soldiers must have reported these visions to their superiors (especially the Sikh ones). 

    Indian army lost that battle badly against the Chinese army (in 1962), with thousands of Indian soldiers captured by the Chinese army. Did any of the Nanaksar sangees got captured by the Chinese Army?

    Also, could there be a scientific explanation for those visions? Did the visions occur when they (the soldiers) were in captivity and possibly deprived of food, water, etc? Did the visions occur when they were badly injured? Did the visions occur when they had lost all hope for victory? Did the visions occur when they were on medications?

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

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  25. Who is the head of Nanaksar?

    in Sikh Sampardaaye Section

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    On 7/5/2015 at 3:46 PM, Ragmaala said:

    The pujari at Hazoor Sahib didn't allow Baba Ishar Singh Ji to do sewa of the inside. When the pujari opened the locks in the morning , he had darshan of Guru Gobind Singh Ji standing besides Baba Ishar Singh ji. As a a gratitude, pujari singh offered a small kirpan as gift to Baba Ji which is still kept somewhere.

    Who was the Pujari at that time? Has this incident been documented by any non-Nanaksariya source?

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

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