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We take quality of this forum very seriously.What you think we should do? put them on quality control temp to ensure quality?

Hi Neo, this is what I think, we all have a general idea about most of the regular forum members how they think and their personal viewpoints, which is perfectly fine. But problem arises when you start vomiting the same opinion again and again, without trying to understand what the other person is saying, and then replying again and again, and arguing without any second thought. If you don't agree its fine, but why put words in other person mouth and drag the issue unnecessarily. Hell don't reply.

I mostly come here to know learn something new, you know there are few gems here on forum, its privilege to learn from them. Also latest news like from kotkapura incident, which I know only because of the forum, its my medium to get news. I am not ungrateful but the forum just drains your energy with the B.S. going on in recent past. You are the boss, find a way to fix it. I guess some members might agree forum is in loop mode.

Bring topics from which we all can learn and contribute to, about quality, be more strict, people will change their habits if you force your hand, sikhkhoj is an example, that dude.

 If katha giani goes outside of vyakaran boundary should be rejected

Gurmukhi Grammar can be used to explain Gurbani meanings, but Gurbani is NOT bound by any man-made grammar rules. Period.

I don't think Guru Maharaj means that, sexual relations with any women except wife means the same thing, religion is not an issue. What I think it means is, ejacualtion in sex means you are willingly doing it even for a moment. I think that is the jist here.

On similar note, during war, Muslims and others used to hurl nasty abuses to singhs in order to provoke them. Singhs naturally reply in same tone, its war what the hell. Guru Gobind Singh Jee heard it and said Singho' dont abuse, say 'waheguru', even in war we have standards.

We are made up of five elements, but jamdoots are made of two elements fire and air, thats why they can travel anywhere, also we can say they are normal blokes, who sometimes make mistakes with same name person and take other person soul with them. But it is rare of rare. I heard that when jamdoots take soul from the body, unimaginable pain is experienced. Some Mahapursh were saying that if we know this pain while alive, we will never forget god for a instant because this pain is so much excruciating. 

Upside is mentioned in this Gurbani's shabad. Dharam Raja warns his jamdoots to not go near gurmukhs(any religion); 

Jeh Saadhu Gobind Bhajan Kirtan Nanak Neet|| 
Naa hau, naa tu neh chhutay, nikat na jaaeeo doot|| 

(O Jamdooths, where Saadhoos of Gobind, do bhajan and kirtan everyday, never go there; if you go there, then neither you, nor I will be saved from punishment). 
 

I have heard in katha, that one abhiyasi (highly spiritual stage) was sitting during the amrit sanchaar ceremony solely for this purpose alone that whether women who partake in panj pyaare were actually able to initiate the askers. He told that NO panj pyaare whether "men or women" can initiate the new ones, because only Guru has the right to initiate the new comers. So what actually happens in the ceremony is, after panj pyaare do ardas to start the sanchaar process by first reading five bani's. Then they collectively do ardas along with sangat to Guru Granth Sahib Jee maharaj to allow them to distribute the amrit to the seekers. Now, here is what happens as this highly spiritual told us, light(jot) from Guru Granth Sahib enters the body of the panj pyaare's and Guru himself initiate the new ones. He says that women who were in panj pyaare service, light did not enter their body, so real amrit process is interrupted; though outwardly we can say we got amrit. Also light did not enter disabled ones too.

Why light(jot) did enter men and not women/diabled ones, who knows, why? except guru himself, and we can ask this question to Guru himself only when we meet him (means we need high spiritual stage) and we need to be amritdhari for that.

My point is even if we want to be critical of this account as told by this person, why would we take risk of taking amrit from women/disable ones. It is already established that sikhs who take amrit from five men, reached to the god, brahamgyaan, history told us. Does we have account of single brahamgyani initiated by women.

All the effort we put in, nitnem, waking early/doing simran, and what if nothing happens after we are initiated by women. If after our demise we ask god; I did everything you told, but no spritual stage for me, why? God could say who told you to do man-mat and take amrit which you think is suitable. We wont be able to answer it.

So, my point is why take risk just to prove your thinking right, when Guru says leave your thinking at the door.

Dont ask why this, why that, Just use your mind to accomplish what Guru told you to do, Simran, Rehat and Gurbani. Don't be a wise-ass.

This comment for satkiran never say that any person here on this forum or any where else can speak for Guru, If Guru want to talk to you, he will do himself, he did not need us to speak for him. If you want to know what Guru thinks ask Guru Granth Sahib jee maharaj, take hukamnama.