MrDoaba

5 hours ago, angy15 said:

Yes he has that repo amoung young generations.He is a kind of rockstar here in india .His dewaans are like rock concert. The traditional kathavacaks specially the taksali are very dull and boring to listen less of gurbani more of mystical stories.

Let us try to educate and remove misconception abt him to   some of our popular members here.

 

You must be having a phacking laugh. Divans are not supposed to be like rock concerts.

I know another preacher who had rock concerts Divans...what was his name? OH YEAH RAM RAHIM.

The two have a lot in common actually...their arsehole seems to be where their mouths are.

Gurbar Akaal!

I can answer all these for you:

8 hours ago, manraj19 said:

Here are my top 5 questions for Dhandrianwale: 

 

1. What inspired you to become a preacher?

Money and Hankaar

2. What motivates you to stay focussed despite being surrounded by negative people with narrow focus, that refuse to grow in their hearts? 

Money and Hankaar

3. How do you manage to stay above all the destructive elements caused by those that lack your vision as well as your imagination, those that rather perish by not allowing the eyes and ears of their hearts to see or hear, on daily basis?

Money and Hankaar

4. Obviously you are a great visionary, what are your chances or expectations of fulfilling your vision in terms of spreading Sikhi?

Depends on the money and Hankaar

5. Have you ever considered moving abroad, writing books or giving talks on Sikhi in schools, colleges or even at universities, both, at home and abroad, something similar to the great and successful Yogi Harbajan Singh?

Depends on the money and Hankaar

Gurbar Akaal!

29 minutes ago, samurai2 said:

But why did you not say 'Samurai Ji like Bhagat Ji'

Bhagat is really taking you for a ride...lol

You forgot the Sihari on the end of Bhagat

8 minutes ago, tva prasad said:

the paathi in the video is pronouncing the sihari but not as "i", rather "-eh". 

I say "Gurprasad-eh", like how the taksalis say it and how the bhai saab in the video said it, as far as I know that is the correct pronunciation. The sihari is to be pronounced but not as "-i" but "-eh". E.g. 

ਆਦਿ ਸਚੁ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਸਚੁ ॥  Is pronounced: ad(eh) sach jugad(eh) sach.

The "(u)" sound can be heard in the video as well, it is very subtle., like the "u" sound in "pundit".

My point exactly beere.

1 hour ago, tva prasad said:

Bhai saab said "akaal morat(eh)", @BhagatSingh said sihari can be pronounced as "-eh". Therefore, the sihari should be pronounce. 

Why have you quoted me? Bhagat is the one who said the Paathi in the video isn't pronouncing the Siharis (cus he has no idea what a Sihari is)

I don't really care what he did or didn't say on how Sihari should be pronounced. Santhiya ta kade layi ne ohne, hun saare Sampardavan naalon jaade jaan da ah.

You try saying "Gurprashadi" in Santhiya and dekhi je salotar bajj da ja nahi.

17 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

Bhaji I know muharni lol. Punjabi is my first language.

Here I am talking about those siharis that are on the last letter of the word.

For example - ਆਦਿ

My point is that this is not pronounced as Aad, as we would normally say it, rather it is pronounced as Aadi.

Okay that's good, keep practicing it until you get it right. Your Ustaad, when you get a proper one, will stop you many times.

I know which Siharis you are talking about, but thanks for the clarification. Your ears are untrained to hear the Paathi's pronunciation because you are making up rules out of thin air. He is pronouncing all the Matre as they should be...you just don't know what sound they make.

All your comments about personal preference and dialect don't mean jack. Colloquial Punjabi and Gurbani Uchaaran are two different things.

If you spoke to ten different Ustaads they would all give you the same answer with small variations, nothing as wild as you are suggesting.

When you write Aadi, the transliteration would be read and pronounced as Aadee - ਆਦੀ...like how we read Swami. This is incorrect. It's Aad-e(h) or Aad-ay. And don't bother explaining what you think Bihari and Sihari sound like because everything you have said so far, is incorrect according to the standards of Gurmukhi rules.

You also seem to be mistaking the grammar rules of Gurmukhi with those for Devanagari. In Devanagari the Sihari and Bihari (or whatever they are called) are used interchangeably at times. Other vowels also sound different. The rules for Gurbani pronunciation are distinct.

For example: In Devanagari  मंगल मूरति  would be written and pronounced  ਮੰਗਲ ਮੂਰਤੀ  in Gurmukhi, not  ਮੰਗਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ. This does not mean that ਮੂਰਤਿ is pronounced like ਮੂਰਤੀ or vice versa. They are distinct sounds...Gurbani has distinct sounds and pronunciation. 

Another example: In Devanagari सति is pronounced ਸਤੀ in Gurmukhi, however, it can also be written  सती  in Devanagari but still have the same meaning. If I wrote  ਸਤਿ, not only would it sound different to सति/सती, it also has a different meaning.

Either way, the sounds/rules of Gurmukhi and Devanagari are different even if they behave somewhat similarly...they are different Lippi's after all. One can write out a line of Gurbani but cannot expect to write it out with the exact corresponding characters as Devanagari. One would have to make changes to replicate the sounds.

I mean tbh, no one has agreed with anything that you've said...you are literally making up your own rules, and still going against the accepted rules when you have been corrected continuously. Forgive me for saying but if you were ever to spend time with proper Gyaani Dhyaani Gursikhs, the lessons in Nimrata you learn would hit you like a ton of bricks, and your hankaar would break as if an earthquake has taken place.

Maharaaj tenu buddhi bakshan.

27 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

I don't agree. He isn't pronouncing the siharis.

Please point out some examples of where he isn't pronouncing the Siharis. In fact most would say he is pronouncing them very clearly. Do you even know what sound a Sihari makes?

You need to do your Muhaarni bro, pher tenu patta lagu. Actually, have you/do you ever practice your Muhaarni?

21 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Those Singhs are called "Dhupiye" Singhs.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Haanji beere, I'm aware. I just explained in English to make the comparison between this Maryada and Havan.

2 minutes ago, sarabatam said:

Good question, i would think from shiv shakat perspective, shakti-life force form (nari) is incomplete (adhuri) without 'PURKH' formless so thats why focus is mainly on purkh. All though, there are many arguments based on our history which refutes the above perspective as sargun-maya-anything with form is glorified in gurmat sidhant too.

Good points beere. I will say though however, even if we put aside the deeper theological arguments for a second, Mata Ji still warrants a specific and complete mention in the Ardaas, at least for Her conspicuous role as the Mother of the Panth.

Dhandri has become, for lack of a better word, an utter sap.

Even when he was okay, and I say okay cautiously, he wasn't anything special.

I did like his Kirtan though.

Shame he is now a sap, as are his chele.

Gurbar Akaal!

N.B. I am not affiliated with any Samparda.

Recently I have been pondering over this a lot...why isn't Mata Ji mentioned in the Ardaas? Almost all the key figures in the Panth throughout history and currently are mentioned either directly or indirectly, but oddly enough the Mother of the Panth has no mention. Not only that but Mata Ji has generally been sidelined and treated as a background figure up until recently where there has been (somewhat) more awareness of Her status, which in actual fact is a very exalted status; Mata Sahib Devan Ji is the Puran Sargun Saroop of Adi Shakti.

Why isn't She talked about more? Why do we not do Ardaas to Her? Why is She not remembered or invoked on a daily basis? Aside from a brief mention on Baisakhi there is nothing.

The Mother of the Sikh Panth, of the Khalsa, Jagat Mata, is Adi Shakti Herself. We are blessed. And we as a Panth need to take it upon ourselves to pay homage to Her, and give Her the utmost respect and reverence.

Mata Ji is Ang Sang Sahai...

ਖਾਲਸਾ ਦੇ ਮਾਤਾ ਆਦਿ ਸ਼ਕਤੀ ਸ੍ਵਰੂਪ ਧੰਨ ਮਾਤਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇਵਾਂ ਜੀ ਸਭ ਥਾਈਂ ਹੋਇ ਸਹਾਇ ॥

Please share your thoughts.

Gurbar Akaal!!!

On 22/02/2018 at 11:28 PM, BhagatSingh said:

ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ

Pronounced as Prashadi

Prashad means Grace.

Prashadi means through the given grace.

Prashadi also means - One who gives grace.

Example, Mool mantra -

ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ

Gur prashadi

He is the Teacher, the One who gives grace.

 

Let's do an example from the Prayer known as "Ardas".

This is a good example of a hymn where all of the words that end in Sihari are pronounced as Short I sound.

ਤੂ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਤੁਮ ਪਹਿ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ॥
Toon Thakur tum peh Ardashi.

ਜੀਉ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਸਭੁ ਤੇਰੀ ਰਾਸਿ ॥
Jeeu pind sabh teree Rashi.

Ardashi means small Arzdasht, a small request. Rashi means property.

I am having the confusions here brother. Are you saying that these words are pronounced with Sassa pair bindi?

47 minutes ago, Crystal said:

An example of the above I will give you is brickies or freshie builders. A lot take feem before they start work and they just chakkkkk it one time. The amount of energy and speed it gives you. However like I've said many many many times. Using drugs isn't the problem. The problem is when you increase your doseage because the dose you take doesn't do anything..thats when the drug takes over & destroys the person

Exactly bro. All these faujis take it. I've seen them literally take a handful of ground dodeh, shove it in their mouth, and down it with a can of red bull. They manage to pull some long ass shifts that's for sure.

42 minutes ago, Crystal said:

I agree mrdoaba. I have plently of fresh desi friends who take feem...however I do disagree. If the dose is too much it will make you very doped out. I've seen it first hand. Oh another example is how freshies use feem before sex.....

What you've stated above is true. Does dependent, so it can make you doped. Those pills I posted are for exactly that, they take em before sex, it's all in the name: Kaamni. It's actually marketed as a sexual tonic.

58 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:

If its for pain relief and medical reasons its fine but to abuse is wrong.

While it probably does have pain killing properties they don't actually use it for that. They use it for its stimulant effect bro. Big misconception is that it makes you doped out and slow, quite the opposite. Still very addictive if not used correctly.

Basically taking kaali naagni is phatteh chakne. Gives you josh.

59 minutes ago, Crystal said:

It's very very strong. You only need a small size of a rize darna. However like I said. Drug use and abuse are two different things. The khalsa can take drugs like opium and cannabis..But in the right way and the right dosage. Taking drugs needs discipline. Not getting high every single moment.

As you said baba bahadur singh took a shit load of feem...his sons do pills...What glory and praise is in that statement? The way you said it makes them the same as junkies who ask you for change in the road.

Ingredients : Akarkara, Sonth, Clove, Caffron, Pipal, Nutmeg Javitri, Chandan, Hingul, Sulphur and Opium.

It might be these, ayurvedic opium. Same thing.

11 minutes ago, Amarjeet Singh_1737 said:

Your proof? 

I just said I'm an outsider to this bro so I would not have the kind of hard proof you are asking for.

I can't go into details but I know for a solid fact he is into extortion. Straight up racketeering. He's tried to extort a member of my family. And he sends his pagal heavies to intimidate. Begairat would actually get his men to kill another innocent Singh - that's where the issue had got to almost. His men are mental cold blooded killers.

And it's not a secret he's a gangster.

15 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

Yea and my name is John Smith

Balbir is a crook,murderer and thief.

 

As an outsider even I can say even I know that Balbir is stone gangster.

50 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

Lool

Even baba bahadur singh did a shit ton of feem. His son does pills and shit.

Ah must be Proxyvon and Kaimni pills!

How was your trip to the Gurdwara?

7 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

The excommunication was in may and baba ji got killed in mid august. He could have still gone to baba prem singh who is the main jathedar but he didnt. 

Fair enough brother. My confusion is stemming from the the way that FB post was worded.

Quote

Jathedaar Baba Prem Singh Ji 96k Budha Dal Panjwa Takht has made A Decision.

Baba Ji has Summoned Kamalroop Singh Uk to Sachkhand Sri Hazur Sahib For Punishement at Budha Dal Headquarters.

Kamalroop Singh Uk in The Name of Baba Surjit Singh 96K has been Given One Last Chance to Exercise The Maryada of Guru Gobind Singh Ji as An Akaali FarlaDhari Nihang Singh.

Kamalroop Singh Uk is Under Current Punishment in The Uk. There will be A Further Review at Sachkhand Sri Hazur Sahib. Any Further Complaints will Result in Baba ji Retracting All His Kakaars.

Ok so a decision has been made. I get that.

He's been summoned by Baba Ji. I get that.

Here's the bit I think isn't clear. I can't tell what they're alluding to: In the name of Baba Surjit Singh he has been given one last chance to exercise the Maryada of Guru Gobind Singh Ji as an Akaali Farladhari Nihang Singh.

Do they mean he's been given a chance to carry on as an Akaali Farladhari Nihang Singh? Or do they mean exercise the maryada in the sense that he better drag his ass to Hazoor Sahib ASAP?

You said you can't punish a Farladhari but the post states he's already under punishment and also still refers to him as one?

Do you see my confusion?

15 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

It was in may when baba bahadur singh ji excommunicated him,

So he assumed he wouldn't have to turn up. The excommunication was void so to speak (from his perspective). Now he has no choice.

45 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

Is kamalroop still allowed to wear the farla if he has been excommunicated?

The FB post still refers to him as Farladhari so you could make a conclusion from that possibly.