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Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! I am not anti-Nihang ... have a read of my edit on first post. Secondly the questions are very valid, Why would anyone take offence to them ? anyway ... if you do not want me to aim the questions at anyone I open them up to everyone and ask them what they think ? Here are the new questions : 1. Can a group or person promoting intoxications help in any way to stop a drug problem that is epidemic in Punjab ? Second question/point: 2. Be weary of individuals / groups that claim to be Sikh but in matter of fact are promoting hindu mat ? Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! Admin - let them answer, If they can at all ? Can a group or person promoting intoxications help in any way to stop a drug problem that is epidemic in Punjab ?? Do they care at all ? Could they be part of the problem ? Also Certain individuals are fixated on promoting Hindu Mat and the lineage that they believe in/worship, is not back to Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaaj - the founder of Sikhi; but to Hindu Gods (There is a difference in acknowledgement and worship) ... so let them answer .... also I have written "Right Wing Hindu", never said all Hindus but it is a majority that believe in this devious brahmin mat. Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! "Jab Lag Khalsa Rehay Niaraa However long the Khalsa remains distinct Tab Lag Tej Diho ma saraa That long I will give them ALL my LIGHT and POWER. Jab ihaa gehaa bipran kee reet As soon as they grab the ways of the world (Brahmins) Ma na karo in kee prateet I will not look after them. " Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Maharaaj Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! (AS admin has editied what I have written below, I just want to make one point clear I am not anti-Nihang or anti any sampridiya, on the contrary I am 100% support for any Nihang who has stood up against tyranny and fought for the rights of the downtrodden i.e. any True Nihang who has fought the tyrannical Indian Governement Those who are chumpchey are mere sheep in crocodile clothing sell-outs.) ---- This is a serious question. 1. Currently there is a serious drugs/nusha problem in punjab. The youth without work and going away from Sikhi have latched onto drugs. There is even alcohol produced which has written on the bottle 'For Punjab only'. How would the Nangs promoting intoxications deal with this Drugs problem ? 2. Also the Sikh Faith is being attacked by the Right Wing Hindus. They are changing our History and making us out as Warrior-Hindus. They have been several posters of the Sikh Guru's depicted in the 'Cow', there are pictures of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur being depicted as the 'Great Hindu Warrior'. Childrens books in Schools have been changed stating that Dhan Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib was Hindu and gave Shaheedi for Hinduism. The Hindu Youth have produced magazines and placed Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Jee as a Hindu Scripture. These are just a few examples. How would the Nangs promotingHindu Mat deal with this attack from Right Wing Hindus? --- Also this time I have added evidence, that shows what these Blasphemours are up to On Page 76 They make it out that there is no difference between Sikhs and Hindus and we are created to protect their 'Dharam' On Page 77 "Bharat Mata (Mother India) was blessed with ten hindu sons" talking about Dhan Dhan Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Jee "... sacrificed his life to protect his Hindu Dharam" about Sri Harmandir Sahib "a fantastic mandir constructed for Bhagavan vishnu" Page 78 The article carries on its blasphemy by saying that Gurus were hypocrites Guru Nanak Dev Jee destroyed the caste system, rejected hindu rituals and stood for Truth, yet this idiot writes : "Baba Nanak was a thorough Hindu in thought, word and deed...." If you have come across blasphemous bulls**t like this let us know. Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! N to the 3 to the 0, bro :-) I agree with you that it is the whole of the Khalsa Panth's responsibility. There is good reasoning behind me asking certain groups. Let people answer and I will explain. Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! This is a serious question. 1. Currently there is a serious drugs/nusha problem in punjab. The youth without work and going away from Sikhi have latched onto drugs. There is even alcohol produced which has written on the bottle 'For Punjab only'. How would the Modern Budha Dalliaey deal with this Drugs problem ? 2. Also the Sikh Faith is being attacked by the Right Wing Hindus. They are changing our History and making us out as Warrior-Hindus. They have been several posters of the Sikh Guru's depicted in the 'Cow', there are pictures of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur being depicted as the 'Great Hindu Warrior'. Childrens books in Schools have been changed stating that Dhan Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib was Hindu and gave Shaheedi for Hinduism. The Hindu Youth have produced magazines and placed Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Jee as a Hindu Scripture. These are just a few examples. How would the Modern Budha Dalliaey deal with this attack from Right Wing Hindus? Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalas, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! I see that we have gone back to lala land again .... In 1986 there was a Sarbatt Khalsa (Sikh Public Meeting) where the Khalsa passed resolution of Khalistan as the goal of the Sikh Nation. In this meeting the Sarbatt Khalsa also rebuilt Sri Akal Takhat again because the standing one was rebuilt by money of the indian governement tyrants with the help of Santa Banta after 84. He was later ex-communicated from the Sikhs and became a tankhiaya. You obviously hate - Puran GurSikh, Saint-Soldier, Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale (One of the Greatest Sikhs of the 20th Century) - again this must be your 'conscience'. Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwala never hid from the tyrants and he openly challenged them. Sant Jee already had courted arrest before the attack but they charged Sant Jee with nothing. So to say that Sant Jee was hiding from them in the Akal Takhat is more dirty lies. Again we see an obsession to attack Sikh Sampriyada's such as Damdami Taksal (founded by Guru Gobind Singh Maharaaj, first Jathedar was Baba Deep Singh Shaheed) who stood up for Sikhi. I don't know what it is with these people. I guess they just hate truth and GurSikhs who have truthful living. Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! I have already described what happened in 1984 in previous post. What would you do if Sikhi was being attacked ? Would you create a defence force to protect Sikhi ? Oh I forgot you think that "1984 and Sikhi are two different things" The fact that Akal Takhat was destroyed by the indian governement tyrant and you say that is nothing to do with Sikhi. I guess you would not take part in any movement to protect Sikhi and the Sikh way of life. "Raj Bina Nahi Dharam Chaley Hai" Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaaj "Khalsa Akaal Purakh Ki Fauj" Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaaj Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! I never said that, you are the one claiming "1984 and Sikhi are two different things" Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaaj gave Guruship to Guru Granth Sahib Jee and Guru Khalsa Panth. Anyone who attacks Sikhi and Guru Jee. The Sikhs will stand up and fight back and give "Itt da pathar Jawab". Yes in any movement there are 'Black Cats', government agents sent in to deface the movement, that is a common tactic to demolish support of the people. But now that has just become an excuse for so-called Sikhs who cannot stand up for their rights and rights of others. To stay pacificist when innocent people are being killed and tortured is just cowardness of the extreme. Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! "1984 and Sikhi are two different things" - Are you a Sikh ? 1984: Indian Army attack on Akal Takhat - Destructiion of the Symbol of Sikh Sovereignty Sri Harmandir Sahib desecrated Sikh Library burnt and destroyed after the attack (items also stolen) Sri Guru Granth Sahib Saroop Shaheedi (torched and desecrated) Thousands of Sikh Pilgrims killed including women and children Thousands of Sikh Children orphaned Military rule in whole of Punjab - no one allowed to enter and no one allowed to leave (news reports) (84 November riots) - In Delhi and across India, Sikh houses/businesses are singled out marked out so that organised hindu mobs go round and destroy sikh property and businesses. Supplied with Kerosene and Tyres they single out Sikhs drag them out of their houses and burn them alive in front of their crying sisters/mothers. Our sisters/mothers are gang raped. Deny this happened to the Sikhs ? What Lala land do you live in ? Lalashvari you remind me of those nazi's that say to the jews that the holocaust never happened (don't take that as a complement), check out www.carnage84.com or www.punjabjustice.org and then you might have something to think about. Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! Mod Note TO EVERYONE: Please stay on the topic at hand without having to insult other members. i.e. Join the Wahabis. Are you a Sikh? You remind me of those nazis. If this happens again your posts will be edited/deleted.

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! That is fair enough I have no interest in your issues but when people who are confused or have issues with Sikhi/Life and then choose to promote that confusion, then I will take issue with it. Especially if they influencing people away from Sikhi. I find that a lot of youth come into Sikhi for a while and at some point become confused and then instead of thinking or saying they are wrong, they choose to promote it. It probably makes them feel better or something. Sorry if I had said something wrong on this point. I might of simplified the point about conscience too much. Thanks anyway for pointing that out. Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! Please read your previous postings and you will find the answer. I find it very interesting in all these posts you seem more obsessed on a false blaming game on Sikhs who have given their lives up for Sikhi, and where you have not blaming/attacking the Indian Government for their evil strike on the heart of Sikhi. "ego stops where conscience begins" and you keep stating in your posts that 'your conscience' says this and that (quote"my conscience kept on repeating: no!") ... Are you claiming that you have conquered your EGO ? By being able to look in the mirror at yourself doesn't mean you do not 'fight' against your conscience. Of course we fight against our conscience or Atma (Rab di Jot) : everytime we forget Vaheguru, everybreath we take without remembering Vaheguru we are wasting. Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! Your conscience ... Are you talking about 'Rab di Jot' or simply your EGO ? and how can you claim to tell the difference

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! You say: "bow down to the Shaheeds and ask them to guide us all ......" I agree 100%, I also ask you to stop doing Nindia/criticising or slagging off Singh and Singhnian that have laid down their lives down for Sikhi and for us to have a chance to be Sikhs. Without these great Shaheeds like Shaheed General Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma of Khalistan Liberation Force we could not even discuss Sikhi. Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! I bought the Immortals CD and found it very good for its message. I think alot of youth have found out about this, who otherwise would of never found out. The other good thing is that I was able to download the original CD from their website www.shaheedi.com . Those who criticise Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa, talking about tactics etc... the Indian Governement already arrested Sant and then released him without out any charges so they only used this as an excuse to attack the heart of Sikhi. The attack coincided with a Guru Arjun Dev Shaheedi when they knew thousands of pilgrims were going to be there. Also a model of Sri Harmandir Sahib was made by the Indian Governement where they practiced the attack way before June 84, so it was planned way before. You keep rabitting on about how the Akal Takhat was fortified and how that became a battlefield. What about the 37 other Gurudwara that were attacked and destroyed the same time ? Wasn't Guru Maharaaj present there ? Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale was defending the faith against the tyrants, Singh, Singhinian became Shaheeds defending the sanctity of Sri Harmandir Sahib. Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh !