kamalroop singh

Look at the two photographs below, a before and after.

VahigurooJikakhalsa VahigurooJiKefateh!!! Dear Beloved Moderators, The point I made about Baba Ji was what you made. That just because politicians and other famous people come to meet him, does not mean he does everything he does for them. Or is a slave to their whims. Baba Santa Singh is also visited by these people time to time, again he is not a slave to their whims. Baba Thakur Singh unlike the gang of Sant Jarnail Singh wannabe's and Indian government informers that stay with him, is a very devoted Sikh. He spends most of his time in Bhajan and Bandagi. As to Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhinderawala coming back, it would be interesting if Sant Ji did come back. However as times goes on it is only fair to say this looks more and more unlikely. If Sant Jarnail Singh does not turn up, then the Taksal will be like the Namdharis waiting for Baba Ram Singh to turn up... As the France argument goes, the Singhs never fought from the Akal Takht it makes no strategic sense. The Jathedar of the time Kirpal Singh also makes this point. If Baba Ji wished to make a stand with the Indian army, it is only logical in retrospect to say, it would have been better away from the Darbar Sahib. Where thousands of innocents also perished, the library, and the Takht was damaged. It maybe easy for me to talk in retrospect, and look back and be critical, I certainly accept this whole heartedly. However the fact remains, that in history no man, ever took residence in the Takht. In terms of Maryada, this can be seen to be a violation. This was a tradegy, a loss to us all. A painful episode. Now it is practically over, lets now discuss what exactly we lost? As well as how we in our small worlds can do something together to archive what we have. On page 763 of A History of the Sikh People, Dr Gopal Singh, he writes that the Kotha Sahib within the Takht remained intact. He also says that why Artifacts that were damaged were never saved, has never been explained. On Page 770 he says the painting were 400 years-old. He also writes on the page before that many experts from around the world were called in to restore the Takht. This makes much more sense than to pull a whole building down. The fact remains my beloved Sangat, that my issue is not about Sant Jarnail Singh, it is not about anything political, it is to do with one simple fact. We destroyed more of it than the Indian Government. My post is amined at finding out via networking as to what was their previously. Kamalroop Singh

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh!!! The fact still remains whether you agree or not in the Akal Takht being restored by Baba Santa Singh, is that the Sangat and Kar Sevaks destroyed the heritage that was not destroyed by the Indian Government. This is fact. Regardless of the political angle of your opinions or mine. My point is who is worse? The Indian Government who we all know did a really shameless act, but the Sikhs themselves who then completely raised the Akal Takht to the ground, to rebuild a new version, which has nothing historical about it? Budda Dal contrary to popular propanga spread by the Khalistani Sikhs, did not accept the money by the Congress, the money was put into the Golak of the Guru. If we think thats wrong, then every person who donates money to the Gurudwara should be vetted. When I myself came to meet in Mehta Chowk, Giani Amar Singh some 3 years ago some, top congress officials came to meet . Does that mean that: We all know Baba Ji is a Brahmgiani immersed in deep Bhagti. He has no bad inclination in his body. Another good example is the Jatha (AKJ) who keep close ties with Prof.Darshan Singh. The Jatha are strict vegitarians, but he is not. He actually was on stage at an AKJ program in the U.K and promoted Bhai Rama Singhs book. That shows they are ideological opposed but for the sake of the Panth, they worked together. In the same way Shinda Ji, all i am saying is lets think about our heritage before we loose it, and I illustrated it with the fact that when our unity breaks down as a Panth we all do more harm that good. This happens when the going gets tough, and people get trigger happy. Bhul Chuka De Maaf.

VahigurooJiKaKhalsa VahigurooJiKeFateh! The facts remain facts, the Indian Army damaged the Akal Takht, it was a heinious crime, which we all hang our heads with sorrow and grief, each year in mourning. It was a tragic loss, it was a knife in the heart a wound into the Sikh Panth. However, to add to the sacriledge done in the name of National stablility, and all the political tensions, which are tragic, and some what disgusting. That the head of the SPGC the late Gurcharan Singh "Tohra" ran away when he promised to uphold the Akal Takht. He later became the head of the SGPC. Tell me who the hypocrites are? Then to add insult to injury the angry Sangat, under the whim of the Khalistani's, destroyed the rest of the intact Takht, as well as that restored by Baba Santa Singh. This is fact, it is not clever, it is simply dusted under the carpet, by those whose brains are simply filled with the heroism of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji, and Khalistan Movement. What we can do is the following: 1: Find old artifacts photograph them. 2: Look on the net for Sikh antiques, if you have the money buy them. 3: Educate people about this, send this link out. I for one have no worries, since I made all my opinions clear to the leader of the SGPC Mr Vedanti Sahib. Fact is fact, the Akal Takht is not what it used to be, much of the original hand painting has been achieved by tiling as well. None of the orginal fresco's survive. They did survive the Indian Army attack, but not the rage of the Taksal and Khalistani inspired Sangat. We are our own worst enemies. The truth may hurt Mr Shinda Ji, but if you are convicted to the Truth. Then you well except that War, and Civil unrest are tragic, and war never goes the way any leader wants. It is as it is, a tragic loss to the Panth. A cocktail of political fighting, and power struggles. Vahiguroo Bless us with peace.

It is very sad that this is happening, under the guise of restoration and the "Panth". Every year we loose something or another by this bunch of hot headed pot bellied, Chair loving, waste of space, minsters of the "faith". In a few days, das will post up the photographs of them whitewashing, and the before and afters. Please send this link out as far and wide as possbile. It is about time the SGPC were made accountable and shamed in public. The heritage issue goes alot further than just this, from re-writing of scripts, editing of old manuscripts, and leaving out lines when printed. To burning of manuscripts, and so on. As for excommunication, I think the only people that need excommunicating are the SGPC. Gurus kirpa I will post the notes of the conversation I had with Jagjit Singh . Arguements like "Paintings are no good". I replied why do you have paintings in your musuems? The reality is because largely it is a memorial to the Neo-Sikhs of the SGPC, and one or two pictures of Ancient Sikhs that they had to put up. Whereas in the Akal Takht and Baba Atal were pictures of Akalis and Shaheeds, Singhs who they wished to reinvent. The photographs speak for themselves. Therefore I do not expect much counter arguments from the Neo-Sikhs. This issue needs to be addressed, I am in no way trying to put salt on healing wounds. The indian army did a great injustice to the Qaum, but we have insulted our own Heritage and Guru more than anyone, even the British, simply because we do not keep a Catholic outlook, and cool head. Kamalroop Singh

Shame on the Panth for letting the SGPC get away with this for so long. While people are shouting abuse at the Indian Government, these British made Ferangi organisation continue to do their damage. Here is the picture of the Kar Sewa , see the well qualifed artisans perform the Seva: We have to ask the question? Was it necessary to knock the whole Takht down? Then not rebuild it with the original form it was in, and heritage?

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh!!! It is very sad to see the destruction that has been noted by Gurmeet Rai and others. The SGPC and its leader Vedanti Sahib have a lot to answer for, they need some accountability. It is a shame that people spend their time in arguments, rather than doing something to educate and save our heritage. This picture was taken by Das of Baba Atal Rai Gurudwara, and shows the replacement of freco work, and gold bordering and minakari, with what we in the west would call "toilet tiles". It is quite amazing that with all the donations the S.G.P.C recieve from the hard working people of Punjab that they cant do any better than this sad picture. Maybe it will be a good idea to campaign against people donating money in SGPC gurudwaras. They are obsessed with white washing anything they see with paint. Ramsar Sahib in the area also had fresco's, sadly they are no longer there, and have been long destroyed by the SGPC "seva". The Akal Takht also had fresco's but again these were destoyed in the "Gurmata". This was after the restoration of the Akal Bunga by Baba Santa Singh leader of the Buddha Dal. Das has a very nice picture showing the so called rebuilding of the Akal Bunga Sahib. Incidently around 45% of the Akal Takht Sahib was damaged. However for some reason the Gumatta wished to raze it to the ground. Attached in another picture of the so called work of rebuilding, with an old man destroying the frescos. The whole Takht was pulled down by angry Sangat, and followers of the Dam Dami Taksal, and other factions wishing for Khalistan. It is a shame that in their anger, they had to destroy the valubale Sikh heritage by doing more damage than the army actually did. It is quite a similar story to the Taliban destroying Buddist art in Afghanistan, and the Protestants destroying Catholic art. May Vahiguroo bless the Panth with peace. Panth Das Kamalroop Singh

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh!! Dear Sidak Ji, an idea of a Phd is to research, and infer something which is unknown. One cannot reproduce previous work. In that respect no tutor, or supervisor is ever expert enough to understand complex theological arguments, or texts that are very specific. However with good structure, evidence, referencing, bibliography, and methods, it is possible to arrange the research into an A-Z of the subject. This allows the supervisor to be briefed into the arguments which will procede. The Supervisors have reached their doctorate level of scholarship as they have shown reasoning power, and mastery over methods, and research techniques. Therefore with this wealth of experience, they can understand most subjects well. In the case of using other languages, such as Braj, and Lehndi, it is necessary to provide full explanations. As well as referencing of any translation used as well as a transliteration scheme using the Indic ISO. In terms of the exact details of what Das is working on, this is not public domain information until I am finished. However to give you some idea separate universities will mark my final thesis jointly. Warm Regards, Kamalroop Singh

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh. Mahan Kosh is a wonderful encylopedia which is a great tool to anybody researching Sikhi. However to see it as gospel truth is something that is straying away from any kind of objective sense. In Mahan Kosh we find one or two words at most referenced as Braj Basha. Braj is used substantially in Adi Sri Guru Granth Sahib, and in Sri Guru Gobind Singhs Granths. This language is used in other important Sikh literature. Bhai Gurdas's Kabitts, and the works of Bhai Santokh Singh Ji. Kahn Singh Nabha refences the Sarbloh Granth as a Sikh text. As a part of what a Sikh should read, please see Gurmat Martand. However the mystery remains that we still see no reference or use of Braj by the respected Sikh Panthic Rattan Sardar Kahn Singh Ji. From this is can it be deduced that it may be the fact that Kahn Singh was not a scholar of Braj? Therefore from our above inference was he really qualified to analyse the Sarbloh Granth Sahib?( I would be pleasantly suprised if this argument is challenged with objective evidence.)

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh Dear Guru Pyare Sangat Ji, There is non higher than Ik-Oankar, everything is in the hands of the supreme consciousness and in our lives we move about like leaves in the wind. We are all subject to the Hukam of the divine Majesty. May we stay in love with the feet of this Majesty and look to no other till the last breath. Even in a moment as individuals we are particles of dust on the earth. In the cosmos of space we are dissolved like a molecule of water in an infinite volume of water. In the infinite expanse we are swallowed up like the rain falls into the sea, but again in the moment, we cannot see the noose of time tightening its grip. Unfortunately in our illusion we loose sight of this. The face is behind all. Our Satguru does not remain hidden, but the veil remains over our eyes. Satguru Ji is infront of us, but we shut our hearts off from the powerful loving presence. Our minds conceptualise everything we see, and thus we loose the innocence, the fascination, the beauty of this life. Everyday we tend to loose our laughter and joy, in the seriousness of the mind. We judge, we make statements we cannot prove, we point fingers at other souls on the same journey of life. We mock them for supposedly taking a wrong turning, but do we really know the destination? Have we become one with what we are searching for? Surely we can only know if we have arrived there. We remember our own humaness and forgive ourselves, but we forget "they are human". We seek forgiveness from Sri Akal, and the Panj Pyare, but we cannot even in a dream forgive anybody else. That would be destorying our ego, something which the mind clutches onto each second. Everyone we see who is different we place into a dark box of conceptuality. If something does not relate to our ego and concept of "I", we discard it as heretical. We fool ourselves into thinking our way is the right way. We loose the beauty of individuality, the creativeness of the Master, and we pervertedly call for homogenity. We fail to see each specie in life has many shades and varieties, myriad ways of existence, and countless forms that we cannot ever hope to quantify. Again we fail to see this individuality in our fellow human beings. The very nature of IK-Oankar, the Sargun Nirgun Nirankar does not ring a note in our minds. We say everything is in the hukam, but then we seek to condemn. We seek balance in our existence, but we remain blind to the equilibrium that has played its flute since the beggining of time. Every beautiful flake of snow, has a structure different to the next. Infinity plays its tune in everything, that is the hand of the infinite that created and creates all, ceaselessly. We confine this endlessness into a narrow alley way, that only the elite can squeeze into. We cannot see the flood, the torrent that cleanses the dirt away. All we see is the stagnant pool of our thoughts, ever producing an odour that only the cannibals, ghosts and ghouls enjoy bathing in. To master the mind is to master the age, even though our ego likes to believe we have mastered our minds. Thus to compensate we seek to control others, and make them emulate. We all try to keep the status quo, and the social confirmity in groups. Those with us are right, those who are not are wrong. The Guru has told us no ideology, no religion, ever survives the onslaught of time. In Mir Mehdi and Kalki Avtar this is illustrated. In Sau Sakhi the fate of the Khalsa is told again and again. However in this minute, in this negligble space of time, our own ideologies are the only truth, which of course we believe will last forever. Our leaders, our Sant, our Group, our Jatha is the elite in the Panth. That have the "God-Given" yardstick of morality to measure every other group or individual. Those that conform to the standard are fine, those that do not, fall into exclusion and are the subject of attack. Bibek Bibeki are terms that are used day in and day out. In Parasnath Bibek and Abhek were consumed by Agane, in order to see the truth. Agane being the Parkash of Light or Jot in each person. Hence why in the 33 Swayyae, "Jagat Jot Japai Nisbasar", rituals, fast, ritualistic penance and meditations we do not believe in, only the worship of the radiance of Parmatma. Agane is a reference to this "tap". To burn away ones impurities, via the radiance of Vahiguroo. It is easy to love those that love you, but hard to love those that do not. Therefore in this state of mind we cannot see the Sargun in that person. However we find many excuses, day in and day out, with no real justification. Those others say this, or believe this, or do this, so why love them? Let us just throw stones at them, then everything will be solved. Then this sense of frustration within me will also subside. Is that Sikhi ? If we are perfected, if we are choosen, there is no need to venture into other peoples existences, but our own. The completeness and balance will talk for itself, and magnetically attract others. The sense of insecuriy, and paranoia however tend to plague the deluded mind. Which can only send out hate via whatever channel is disposable to it. In anger we loose intelligence, and drop to an idiotic state of mind where no sense of reason or argument exists. It becomes a war of them and us, this is a sorry sad state of mind. However the adrenal glands fuel such behaviour, but the length of such a high temper is finite, as the body will have to suffer as well as the mind. People do not search the Shabad as Guru directed, but listen to examples of the Shabad via somebody else's interpretation. They lack their own ability to research the Guru. Therefore really they become followers of some elses interpretation of Gurbani, and naturally all others but this are wrong. Their leader was infact enlightened, like no one else has ever experienced this since the beggining of time, and to them religion started at the birth of their leader. They cling sentimentaly on to the memories, of the "chardikalah days of the puratan Singhs", but they cannot see the intrinsic goodness around them today. In the cases of broken families, this network provides valuable support for those that have no emotional support. They forget the words of Guru Nanak, that those that believe, their family become exalted. The love they recieve from various groups, compensates for the lack of it from their own family. Those that enter the Gurus Path by taking intiation, do so in many known instances to disguise some underlying deficiency. In society the criminals are said in some sociological theories to contribute and aid the Elite. In this way the self proclaimed "Elite" in the Panth, wind their networks to include those adept at extortion, violence, and theft. They keep this relationship to provide, a way of dealing with their inadequacies. Unable to look at their "enemy" in the eyes, they loose honour by sending thugs who are in the garb of Sikhi. This is the so called Sikhi of today and this trend sadly is present world wide. We see ourselves as a Panth but forget our wider duty to humanity as the larger Panth and all as Gods children. We fight amongst each other like Dogs over scraps. We fail to see that we are the children of the same father. The arguments that occur are really due to other underlying competitive reasons. The resultant jeslousy eats away at us, in order to recognise it we must have it ourselves naturally. It eats us up like maggots on a corpse. One meaning of the word Dharma is to be civilised. In psycology and sociology, this is highest concept of man, being able to tolerate and live with each other. The ancient Greeks and Indians divised many systems to keep the peace. In terms of Sikhi, a parrallel is when Guru created Amritsar a cosmopolitan place, a utopia within a state, where Guru built Mosques and Mandirs, and provisions for all. Today the Panth is tribal. It is divided, by the Pandits on high. People now take amrit to join Sants or Groups, not the Panth. They say, "Our amrit is higher due to such reasons". Are people taking Amrit to surrender to the Guru, their Man, Tan, and Dhan? Or to your tribal ideologies? Are they taking it because of their own depression, family problems, or sexual orientation. There is already a group of Homosexual Amritdhari's fighting with their orientation, which is apparent to all by their campness. Is it that you have you got problems with your self esteem, that abusing everybody else makes you feel better? Or being with the "tribal elite" makes you feel secure? Does your group condemn caste, but then never allow inter-caste marriage. As well as remarriage to those that are divorcees? Maybe they keep face to their tribe, but have no real Dharam. The following are a few questions that have to be asked by the youth . Hasten to add very stupid questions, but they are the present state of affairs : Are you somebody who condemns two people dating, and infact you are now with one of those individuals yourself? Or that you simply did that to be with one of them? Have you actually condemned alcohol yourself, but then sell it in your shop? Do you believe in respecting your dharam infront of the wider world, but care nothing at knocking someones dastar of in haste? Do you believe in religious tolerance, but then condemn every person that does not fit your puritanical views? Do you comment on peoples personal lives, when infact you are an adulter yourself? Is your frustration vented out because you lost your potential partner to someone else of another tribe? Or they liked someone not from your tribe? Is your facism so pronounced that you make women destroy their own feminity and beauty, so that you can control them? Does this make you feel like a man? Do you hate another tribe because someone you like, likes them more than she/he likes you ? We follow many external rites, we live in an external and artifical world. Has our Sikhi turned this way? Are we looking within or without? Does the two hours of simran we do, justify slandering everyone else for the rest of the day? Does the Nitnem for an hour, justify the sense of self righteousness and the condemnation of others? Does our Nam Abhiyas and Amrit Vela justify our aggressive stance, which is to the extent of attacking others? Does our vegitarianism become real love ? Do we attack those that eat flesh or like the Namdharis who were convicted in their faith of being Vegitarian actually closed down the Slaughter houses ? If you wish to attack anything, bring over your mind with love, into Sehaj. Then you can change those you hate, internally, instead of trying to intimidate them externally. If you are strong, which is what you portray to the world. If your Sant is so high, if your leader or group are the best, and that they have so much spiritual and physical power. Then this is a humble benti to the charan of such great Gursikhs: " You have so much strength, your way is true, you are a strong community then please dont pick on the few weak people who do not agree with you. Guru has said people like you will fight hundred and thousands of enemies." Therefore go out of the surreal world of the internet into the real world and then finish of Al-Qaida. Close down those who believe in living Gurus like the Nirankari’s and remaining Darshan Dasi’s that have Derey in your areas. If you are against cigrattes and alcohol, make a political movement to stop them. Stop the testing on animals and slaughter, and the use of leather as clothing. Stop the destruction of the rain forests, the decline of the Ozone layer by use of Chloroflurocarbons. If your vegitarianism means so much, then surely you would be trying to do something bigger, than condeming those that consume flesh. Surely to eradicate the source, means more that abusing the user. Stop the use of pesticides on crops that kill the small mice and rodents, promote organic crops, and ban the use of non-organic food in the langar. Otherwise the blood is on your hands whether you choose to see it or not. For each grain of wheat, many micrograms of pesticide have killed. Therefore live up to your ideals. Think of Sarbatt Da Bhalla, something which we read each day three times at least. In conclusion, if this post offends that was not is not the aim. If you are really secure about your prowess, beliefs and strength, then do not bully the weak. Choose to forgive and forget, and live and let live. Khalsa is about freedom not enforcing ideals on anyone. We have to see that we are all hypocrites compared to Satguru. If we keep this is mind it will help us all to get along. If you are convincted then do not pick on the small fry, chase and catch the Sharks. Kamalroop Singh Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh