delibeli

On 5 December 2004 at 3:01 AM, Nectar said:

Dear SadhSangatji

ssa...

I have been concentrating on trikuti for quite sometime now...and since last few weeks ...I feel something moving in the centre of forehead..... :shock: :shock: :shock: Whats this :!: :!: :!:

Do you have  a Spiritual Guide/Master/Guru? 

Concentration on any chakras will result in powerful movement of energies, depending on how long you have been doing it.

When you are playing with these energies without guru's or spiritual guidance you will not be able to control them and end up hurting yourself, so stop meddling right now.  Experimentation should only be undertaken with the help of Spiritual Guide (SG).  

Besides it is against Gurmut to play around with these energies without His hukam. 

delibeli replied:

I hope you realise that bread, butter and jam are not at all conducive to meditation or spiritual way of life!  Bread and jam are both very high carbs which will induce stupor if not deep sleep accompanied with heavy snoring!  Butter on the other hand is very high fat which will remain in your system for a long time because our bodies take ages to break down fats into simple fatty acids before they are digested!  So, don't eat high carb, high fat diet before retiring for bed, not even 2 hours before! Eating these 2 hours before bed is simply not a wise step.  

Eat lentils, one small chapati, few veges and two tablespoons half full of home made yoghurt.  Keep it very light, only in very small quantities.  Chapati is ideal as it does not have yeast in it unlike bread.  Lentils will provide protein and amino acids when combined with chapati.  Our brain needs amino acids to function and remain alert.  Veges will provide vitamins necessary for our brains and yoghurt contains enzymes to keep the lining of our stomachs healthy, for the producion of enough digestive enzymes to digest our food.  Keep your evening meal very simple, avoid too many spices, butter, ghee or cooking oils!  Moderation is the key.  Don't eat too much garlic, onions or pickles, they will cause restlessness, your mind will not be able to focus, making it very hard for you to sit for meditation.  

Stick to fresh fruits, nuts, very low fat organic milk with few vegetables and plenty of water instead of regular Indian diet as mentioned above; it is not conducive to spiritual path at all. I simply cannot eat normal Indian food and sit down to do paat or simran.  I had to change my diet to achieve results!  

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On 9 May 2016 at 3:12 PM, N30 S!NGH said:

Mediation helps make mind one pointedness, inward turned so it recognize its source, whether via abiding in shabad, shabad dhun, breathing or through being shabad mahavak gyan- aware of ALIVE ENLIGHTENED JOT inside everyone (being aware of awareness/awakeness) 

Thanks for responding to my query.  I have another query and that is: Who is reciting the Banies when one is in deep meditation?  Not all the Banies, but the ones one recites on daily basis!   

I believe our daily spiritual discipline is deeply embedded in our subconsciouness/soul and this is what accompanies us when we die and decides accordingly if we will reincarnate again in human bodies or not.  This is the part that remembers all our karamas because they are deeply imprinted and forever stored in this hidden part of our being.  

There is no denying that our subconscious mind/soul is 'Jot Saroop' but it takes ages for a human soul to realise it. It may even take millions of reincarnations in a human body to attain this realisation. That's the reason Mahapurshs always refer to our previous karamas all the time when we are sitting in their company.   

Does Naam simran/meditation lead us to our subconscious mind/soul?  Are they both the same?

OMG!!

http://babawadwaagsingh.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/history-of-baba-vadbhag-singh.html

http://babawadbhagsinghtrust.com/history_of_sodhi_family.htm

Also, attack on the Akal Takht Sahib ji and the aftermath!

So, we are just opening Pandora's box on a spiritual path? It makes sense. That's why we need a Guru.

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http://scroll.in/article/806781/non-baptised-sikhs-oppose-bill-seeking-to-exclude-them-from-key-community-poll

On ‎22‎/‎04‎/‎2016 at 1:51 AM, Rock said:

The problem is even when you are aware in dreams everything is so blurry and dense to move through.  And dream will remain a dream...it will be a projection of unconscious mind tendencies manifesting in a dream. You cannot call it real astral travel.

Unless one has a real mastery over the all 5 koshas of body , you cannot really astral travel imo .

Also one needs to be aware of their surti....once you can attach yourselves to it , it is the fastest vehicle ever.

You have to be a fairly advance meditator to carry out astral projection. 

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Ji Maharaj.

Does the Sikh faith believe in astral travel and if so, does it encourage its followers to experiment with this activity?  Is astral travel/projection considered black arts within the Sikh religious teachings?  Are there any astral travelers on this forum who class themselves as 'adepts' in astral travel/projection?

Too many restless minds, they need to sit down and relax and meditate.  Too much irrelevant and unnecessary mental activity leads to restlessness which leads to mindless decisions on how we react to certain situations in life.  It is due to our restless minds we conduct ourselves the way we do.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQibKoCcRf0

http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=14998

8 hours ago, CdnSikhGirl said:

My final words on this topic: 

I am female and I am tying a turban and nobody will stop me.  I dont care if someone think I am a transexual. I am not.  My husband specifically wanted a turban wearing Singhni and he the most amazing person ever.  He wanted a spiritual partner and not a model.  

There is nothing in any rehet maryada saying women can not. And in fact there is evidence pointing to the fact that women *should* tie one. Not mandatory, but its suggested in several rhetnamas with the wording *should* in reference to women tying one.  

I chose to follow that *should* and so I do.  

If another girl chooses not to, that is her choice.  Most don't.  I understand their decision.  Majority of them want hairstyles, and to be able to dress up and look pretty.  For myself, I am not drawn to makeup, or lots of jewelry (I do wear a necklace once in awhile). And I want to keep my kesh protected which I don't cut because I am Amritdhari.  I also like that I can move around freely without worrying about a chunni falling off.  At home I use those expandable bandanas that cover your whole top of your head.  But in public I always have turban on for the last 2 full years now.  I don't ever intend to stop. 

Don't listen to others, listen to your heart, always.  You tie your turban because of your love for the Guru.  Your turban signifies your love for Him, so, don't ever stop wearing it. Others are just envious of your focused mind on what you are doing.  This state of mind is a gift from God, not everyone is fortunate enough to receive it.  You are very fortunate and truly blessed.  Let others burn with envy, don't let them worry or distract you.  In fact, you look very beautiful with your turban on, so keep it up

10 minutes ago, CdnSikhGirl said:

@delibeli Actually no my husband and his whole family believe in equality.  My husband and I are actually so well tuned that we practically finish each other sentences. He actually works with women empowerment and he actively fights for equal rights of women including in Sikhi. I am very fortunate he is my husband!!  He is an amazing person. Some of the guys on here would think that because he doesn't order me around, that somehow I am using my husband as a doormat. I am not.  Full equality of husband and wife are totally possible! I don't think I am exaggerating when I say that rather than one of us dying for the other in a fight, we'd rather fight side by side and die together. THATS how close we are. I can't explain it. We have a spiritual connection that is beyond words.  

Exactly you hit the nail on the head. Marriage is about LOVE and CARE for EACH OTHER.  It's not about who is in charge and barking orders. 

Also I never understood this idea that in a partnership of only two that one person always has to lead and the other always has to follow.  It can work when both are leaders. They will divert to each other and lead together. 

I am very happy for you.  You can see now how this 'doormat or ordering around' mentality can lead to so many problems in a marriage, can't you?  Alcoholism is not the only cause for domestic violence. Male chauvinism and IGNORANCE, which consists of taunts like you mentioned above can also lead to it.  Some men have totally convinced themselves that they have the god given right to order around their wives, daughters or even their sisters.  Equal partnership in marriage is beyond the comprehension of such men. It is possible, but they simply fail to either accept it or even try it out!  In my humble opinion, it is the men that need to go back to school and re-educate. I doubt it very much if they think for one minute that they are now living in the 21st century!!  They might dress,eat and walk  like they are, but they really only have to open their mouths and you will immediately notice they are not! You might as well ask, how is it possible?  Well, when we open our mouths to express what we think, others soon find out who we are.  It is not rocket science.  You don't have to be a psychologist to know we are what we think.  Our thoughts can either constructive or destructive, it all depends on our backgrounds.  We take our way of thinking with us when we form relationships.  Our thinking is one of the reasons wh so many relationships\ marriages end up in ruins. 

Well, love is a very mysterious thing.  So far no one has ever been able to define it.  I am referring to love and not lust.  Your love for your husband is that special spiritual kind of love and that's why you can't explain the spiritual connection it has created. It is your kind (true) of love that is beyond words and expression.  You are both very lucky to have found each other again in this life. So, good luck and have a happy life together.

10 hours ago, CdnSikhGirl said:

I am sorry I have to agree with the guest.  I would feel like a door mat too.  I have desires, wants, opinions, and furthermore I have leadership qualities, and skills that should not simply be swept aside in a relationship as being unimportant. I believe the reference was to my bringing up the idea of obedience.  Obedience means more than just following.  It means giving up your own will completely so that someone else can follow their opinions, their desires, their wants, etc.  Why should a wife have to be the one to give up her own identity, and everything she brings to the table so that the husband can stroke his ego and feel like he is in charge?  Why does anyone have to be in charge at all?  My husband and I make decisions together, sometimes he leads sometimes I do. He doesn't feel like his manhood is in jeopardy if I make a decision! Similarly I dont mind him making half the decisions because I know he values when I do.  We both follow each other, we both lead each other.  I would suffocate if I was forced into following all the time. Actually I'd feel downright oppressed. What if I did not agree with what he wants to do? What if I STRONGLY disagree with something he wants to do? You will say I as the wife have to just grin and bear it and let him lead. But lets turn the tables, if it were fair then when I want something you would think that even if he feels strongly against it, he would not stop me.  But noooooo you are saying even then it's me who should give up my will so he can his way all the time. That is not fair.  

Fair enough I agree there are some women who like playing the submissive. (some go as far as wearing a collar even to denote they are owned by their husband). There are men who also wish to play the submissive role too and be told what to do and how to do it.  But majority of adults wish to keep their ability to exercise their own right over their life and liberty themselves. In your model, it sounds like women in the past just gave up their freedom and ability to make decisions for themselves, in exchange for protection from wild animals etc. We don't need that model anymore as we no longer live in caves. I know you think I would shun all leadership from my husband but nope.  Mostly I will do whatever he asks because I LOVE HIM. Not because I feel obligated as a female to obey.  But I ALWAYS reserve the right to refuse something I really just don't want to do. In return, I expect that if I ask him to do something, he will also do it because HE LOVES ME. And any and all decisions affecting both of us we talk them out together and we are so in tune that neither one has to lead. We are in agreement in vast majority of things. If we ever reach an impasse we have agreed to walk away first , come back and discuss later with clear minds, and if that fails and it's a major decision , then we have someone mediate as a third party. In fact we both decided flipping a coin in a deadlock would be better than one person always getting veto power. When you have a relationship where one person always has veto power and authority over the other, that other person has no power at all.  It may have been endured in the past but was not ideal. 

You are so completely engrossed with silly mundane worldly matters, when do you have the time to contemplate the more serious matters enunciated in the SGGS?  Do you not think they are more important and worth allocating some time to?  At the end of the day does it really matter to you that much what Bhagatsingh, pappiman or guest think of women or how they should be treated?  Do you not think that you are just wasting your time arguing with these people considering that they have not been blessed with western way of thinking or western cultural backgrounds? I understand their comments are very hurtful to you and empathize with your pain, but do you really think you can change these staunch supporters of an evil ideology or belief that has long been eradicated from your part of the world?  In fact, even the Sikh  gurus tried to eradicate it from this religion, believe it or not!  Besides, you don't even know them personally...... so, why let their thinking affect you so badly? You are the only one that can control how you feel when you read and hear hurtful comments, they also know this.  I understand you are married to a Sikh man, what are his views on this issue?  It is really his views that should matter to you most and not the views of people you don't even  know.  Is he a good man, does he treat you nicely, is he attentive to you and does he view your marriage as an equal partnership?  If the answer to all these questions is 'yes' then this is all you need for a happy life.  Don't let these strangers over here upset you, just ignore them, they are really not worth it !!

Yes, you are correct.  "Obedience' is a word we should use very carefully.  This word has no place in a husband wife relationship.  They used to use this word in olden days in the school environment, where children were 'told' to obey their teachers' orders and be obedient.  It was used in the context of teacher\pupil\child relationship.  Hardly an equal relationship. In equal, sensible and mature adult relationship such as 'marriage' the usage of this word is completely dehumanizing and totally derogatory.  The word is oppressive, insulting, cheap and has no place in a happy marriage.  Shocked!!  Are you finding that you have to compromise your western values just because you are married to a Sikh man?  If so, is it very difficult?

In my humble opinion, I doubt it very much if there are that many women willing to play a role of dumb, submissive wives.  If they are, then they are either dumb because of lack of education and not aware of the Sikh values of gender equality or they are too scared to speak up and take control.  We do things for each other, because we LOVE and CARE.

On 22 March 2016 at 0:13 PM, Guest said:

No doubt. Some sampardas (still) view women as being inferior due to periods and other reasons think it blasphmous if a woman tried to be in image of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Having periods (dirty) and being physically weaker is because they are being punished for past karma. That is why they are also dead set against women in the punj pyaras. It has nothing to do with no woman giving her head that day as suggested by some. It has to do with women being spiritually inferior to men. Thats the only reason it is seen as a sin for them to tie a turban. (Otherwise its just a piece of fabric worn to cover and protect the keshas.) Because its seen as a woman trying to usurp a higher spiritual position than she is, and not accepting her punishment. Women need to wait until they do enough bhagti and be reborn in a male joon to do religious things. Otherwise, they should focus on serving their husband and raising children only. They should remain quiet, and not try to pretend to be men (pretending to be higher spiritually than they are) and just accept they are here under punishment in this joon.

The above is NOT my thinking. This is how many Singhs unfortunately view women. And it's sad. Our Gurus did not teach this. This is pure Brahaministical thinking only. And its well known Brahministical thinking crept into Sikhi while Wikhs were forced into hiding in the woods and holy places occupied. We lost so much.

No doubt, majority of the  sampardas are still living in the dark ages in the gutters. They can pretend to be the most enlightened people in the world but their gutter mentality shows otherwise. If they think a dead drunk paralytic man with a turban on his head will do the Guru proud, one can imagine what stage of spiritual evolution they have reached.  God will welcome a menstruating woman to resemble Him any day than a drunken, drug dependant\user turbaned silly old git.  They are too thick to grasp the fact that it is due to a woman's menstruation cycle God is able to reincarnate souls that are waiting to be born so they can progress in their spiritual peregrination.  There is nothing dirty about menstruation, but there is everything dirty and filthy about their gutter thinking.  The idea that women are a weaker sex than men is another myth occupying the male psyche. Women are far more stronger because of the simple fact that they are the only ones that can carry a foetus in their bodies for 36 -40 weeks and endure childbirth pains which can sometimes last for three days. This feat requires a great deal of physical and mental strength, no man, whether turbaned or not will ever have the strength both mental or physical to withstand this excruciating experience.  Spiritual superiority is not gender\sex based.  If the Sampardas think it is, then this is a further proof of their spiritual lacking. Women are not inferior to men, spiritually.  Women tie turbans on their heads same as the men, and not on their assholes!  The head is the abode of God in a human body, whether male or female.  The rest of your post, in fact,only belongs to the gutters and not worth wasting time on. 
 

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On ‎08‎/‎05‎/‎2003 at 10:14 PM, double_edge said:

Just an open question to all..

 

what happened to Pyaar that we're all supposed to have in our hearts? im not talkin abt girlfriends or boyfriends, and im not talkin abt being fake with smiles, handshakes and hugs (which is the job of polititians).. im talking abt what set the Singhs of old apart from the Mughals..

 

the Singhs out matched the Mughals with ferocity on the battlefield, outwitted them and outmanuovered them... they could have behaved like savages and killed indiscriminantly, and mathced the atrocities the mughals commited against women and children.. but they didnt.. what seperated them from the Mughals and the Pathans and the hindu hill cheifs and rajas was the fact that despite being capable of causing such great damage, Sikhs of the Guru have a heart. had it not been for that, we could have been worse than all of the above put together..

 

during the time of the first Amrit parchar, Maata ji put Pataaseh into the Amrit so that we'd have some sweetness in us to balance that RAW POWER. but where has that sweetness gone in us today? i look at myself and see how cynical i have become, which is wrong. but then i look around and see how many people are so fake, which makes them equally cynical..

 

the Sikhs of old, wether they were Nihangs or "regular" Sikhs (another issue that seems to have created so much contreversy) always had a sense of humor, always lived in Chardi Kalaa, and were ultimately filled with a love of Waheguru, which shone through despite the fact that they were rough around the edges.. but where has that sweetness gone amongst us?

 

im the most guilty of this, as i've become so cynical with the political games i see played amongst the youth and their attempts at scaling the social ladder at places like Kirtan Darbars, camps etc...ive seen Sikhs who called each other brothers tab each other in the back over trivial things (and have experienced this first hand). i've seen the hypocrisy of those who are bidding to be the leaders of the Naujavan as they move into adulthood. and if we look on this board, there are so many peole just itching to bite each others heads off.. we go on websites and see all kinds of backbiting, slander and hatred amongst Sikhs.. today we al seem to be filled with Krodh and Hankaar. we look down our noses at one another, consider ourselves to be better Sikhs than the next guy, or dont even consider him a Sikh at all coz we follow different Mary

What you are looking for outside is right within you, you just need to reconnect with your Self.  You will soon discover what one mad lover discovered when he said, 'Love has moved in and adorned the house.  My self tied up its bundle and left.'  Notice the word 'self' in the second line with small 's' and not a capital.  Dive within yourself and you will discover everything you are looking for outside right there within you.

The best thing for you is to book two weeks in a retreat to gather your thoughts. Retreats can be a wonderful experience, they help us to reconnect with our inner reality.  You do feel rejuvenated after a few days there. Also, don't forget to recite your daily prayers.  Praying before meditation helps us to reach that inner Silence which is within all of us  without effort and that's where we find answers to our problems.