karmjeet

for once I agree with you karamjeet!!!

shukar hai maharaj tusi vee sade naal sehmat hoye

The thread is started by our beloved N3O Singh Ji. He himself mentioned in its title, that it is 'Mool Mantar'. I made comments on N3O Singh's words. He himself called it the 'Mool Mantar'

n30 singh is not a brahmgynai(although its not impossible to become one with guru's kirpa) who knows if its a mool mantar or not

You have mentioned the name of Bhai Gurdas Ji. Just have a look on his 'Vaaraan' and try to find where he expressed his views about Sri Chand. Also, quote to the Gurbani, Guru-hukamnamas, Bhai Gurdas Ji, where they accepted Sri Chand's views.

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3) family lineage from 2nd son of guru ji , sri lakhmidas ji , still recite mool mantar upto hosi nhi sach .

Which son? One who hit Guru Amardas Ji by foot, or one who tried to learn 'Tantra' and became the fake Guru? Also, quote to the Gurbani or Bhai Gurdas Ji, where the names of sons of Guru Angad Dev Ji have been mentioned.

well , the point here is that they do jaap upto bhi sach . don't try to analyze their characters , please .

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4) sevapnthi samparda from srted from bhai ghaniya ji

Sevapanthi sect was started by Bhai Seva Ram Ji. Visit my site and find his name. You may get some information.

i m sorry abt that mis information . actually i meant to say the family lineage from bhai ghaniya ji

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and who r the ones against it ?

A Gursikh is never against the Gurbani.

i wasn't talking abt who r against mool mantar , i was talking abt who r against the view that mool mantar is upto bhi sach

bhul chuk maaf

gotta study for exams

bye bye

u r very right amrit veer ji

i admit i am also one of those moorakhs who took part in such talks .:D

bhul chuk maaf karni . actually i m a mahamoorakh .

very true sukhraj ji

recently , i have seen a lot of controversial talks being going on about mool mantar , jots , sampats , amrit , rehit etc . and so on

this message is for eveyone especially the ones like khalsa fauj and including me : sikhawareness means to get aware . learn some thing from the posts , not just waste urself in controversies . remove the goggles of darkness 8) from ur eyes

and do naam simran ....

So, you are not going to follow Guru Gobind Singh's writing, which you have posted by yourself.

Please post the picture of Mool Mantra, written by Nand Singh Ji. Let us see which 'Mool Mantra' he used to recite.

For your kind information , how do you know that it is mool mantar ? how do you know that its not a manglacharan ?

actually it is a manglacharan .

In Guru Granth Sahib Ji , the mool mantar upto hosi bhi sach comes only once and that too in the beginning . MOOL menas ROOT . As various branches spread from a single trunk of tree similarly mool mantar is the root of all mantars . no mantar is powerful than mool mantar .

The manglacharan written by the Guru ji above comes 33 times .

Ik onkar satgur prasad comes about 500 times . so the more counting doesn't make it mool mantar .( our thinking has been affected by voting in elections).

Mool mantar is only upto hosi bhi sach .

Sants , mahapurash , samardas who believe mool mantar is upto bhi sach are the following :

1) Bhai Gurdas ji mentions that in his 39 vaar

2) Udasi samparda from son of guru nanak dev ji , baba sri chand still recite mool mantar upto hosi bhi sach .

3) family lineage from 2nd son of guru ji , sri lakhmidas ji , still recite mool mantar upto hosi nhi sach .

4) sevapnthi samparda from srted from bhai ghaniya ji

5) family lineage from baba budha ji

6) damdami taksal

7) rara sahib

8) nanaksar

Sants:

baba nand singh ji

baba ishar singh ji ( both kaleran and rare sahib wale )

sant attar singh ji ( reru , atle , mastuane sahib wale )

baba mahaharnam singhji bhucho kalan wale

baba khem singh ji

baba kundan singh ji nanaksar wale

baba harbhajan singh ji nanaksar wale

baba harnam singh ji

sant karam singh ji hoti mardan wale

giani sundar singh ji khalsa

sant gurbachan singhji

sant kartar singh ji

sant jarnail singhji

sant ranjit singh dhadrian kalan wale

and there are so many more ........there is no end

and who r the ones against it ?

those who know only to talk not to work , those who didn't get the ras of naam

waheguru...............

truly amazing pictures ! keep them coming :)

oh i m sorry , got my punjabi wrong . they don't allow to eat halal but chatka i think they do .

remember a controversy that started maybe a year ago , and sgpc wanted all the hotels to mention wt type of meat they make halal or chatka .

anyways just forget it . lets just concenterate on ourself and try to find faults in ourself and remove them

bhul chuk maaf

wjkk wjkf

don't only rely on sgpc maryada but also check out more becus its been made by a bunch of academic scholars not spiritual high gursikhs , mahapurakhs .

for eg , sgpc has reduced rehraas sahib . they allow kutha whcih is not right .

they r against kumbh , jots , sampats etc. they say do panj baanian while actually 7 banis r required

5 in the morning : japji , jap sahib , tva praasad savaye , chopai sahib , anand sahib .

2 : rehraas (full version) , kirtan sohila

they believe mool mantar is upto gurprasad while actually it is upto nanak hosi bhi sach .

they r against keeping fotos of gurus .

so check out damdami taksal website . read books written by Sant Gurbachan Singh ji , and other puratam sampardas .

actually the thing is everybody is little bit different , so its hard to see wt is right and wt is wrong . just pray to baba ji to give u sumat .

wjkk wjkf

precious piece of information ! waheguru !!!!!!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Guru Arjan dev Ji Maharaj

waheguru.............

becus they r against all puratan sampardas , sants , mahapurakhs .

i dunoo y , but probably becus of their mentality or ego . :roll:

chardikala

don't worry abt sgpc . sgpc is all corrupted . look at jagir kaur , badal . vedanti all corrupted . they don't believe in sadhus , they r against jots , they r against sampat akhand paths , they r against fotos , they r almost against everything except eating kutha . most of the members eat meat and drink alcohol . so don't worry abt sgpc . take teachings from puratan sampardas like damdami taksal , rara sahib , nanaksar ... etc and the teachings of mahapurkhs .

is any one out ther who may heard these sounds ?

tableji veer ji , did u forget ?

There has been many authors who have been banned for their ficticiousness and I really don't keep a who's who list, who was that author who got banned for making up stories of Baba Nand Singh Ji.

ya , that author was a judge from jagraon district . he wrote some books called anand sarovar . those book wr burnt by baba ishar singh ji later on .

:shock: :shock:

i have a proof that clearly says that Guru Ji were free from bhog bilaas

1) The sakhi of Bebe Nanki ji was told by Giani Thakur Singh ji in a katha in India . I already told you the sakhi about two cloves , and how they were given to Mata Sulakhni Ji as a prashad for having sons . Now , I don't think that Giani Thakur Singh ji will tell a lie in front of the whole sangat and in front of Guru Ji , and he also explained how they were free from bhog bilaas , maya etc .

2) Now the questions that you asked ; a similar type of question was asked to a Shiromani Sant Naam De Rasiye Dhan Dhan Dhan Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj Nanaksar Kaleran Wale . And he also told the same sakhi of Bebe Nanki Ji and the two cloves . Now I don't think that Pooran Brahmgyani Baba Ji will tell a lie .

That's all i have to say . Because i believe in the bachans of pooran mahapurakhs .

Thats if you forsake Waheguru for sex.

DUH.

nothing wrong with Sex mate. Nothing. Nada. If there was then Guru Nanak Dev Ji..etc.. Guru Gobind Singh Ji would not have married and had children.

veer ji , please don't involve Guru Jis in this , they went on this path to teach us . But they were nirlep from maya . they were away from bhog bilaas . Mata Sulakhni ji had 2 sons from the 2 cloves that were given to bebe nanaki ki by Guru Nanak Dev ji and from bebe nanki ji to mata ji ; not by bhog bilaas . Similarly , others Guru Jis wr nirlep too . Nirankar is free from maya .

please don't try to asses Guru Ji 's life with your tush budhi .

i request never think again that guru jis were involved in maya . don't u have any faith in their shkati . now stop this topic right here and i don't need to explain y they wr free from bhog bilaas . becus these r the bachans of mahapurakhs such as baba nand singh jio .....

bhul chuk maaf

wjkk wjkf

i am from patiala too . and i know if its just a story or not .

i have been to sheesh mahal ( palace)in patiala a lot of times . and the historians there used to tell that he had about 300 wives and there was a separate palace for these ranis . whenever he saw a beautiful lady even if she was married before he used to marry her.

this guy used to be a maha rikhi in one of his previous janams and he used to do bhakti along with Baba Mahaharnam Singh ji (previous janam ). some day when he ws doing bhakti a furna of vishe vikaar came in his mind and that's y he had to be born as a king and burn in fires of lust .

that's y Baba Nand Singh Ji upon the hukam of his Guru Baba Mahaharnam Singh ji went to patiala to do kalyan of raja.

but before baba ji went there , 301 paths of Sri Akhand Path sahib were done for purification of the place .

no , it doesn't say that bhog bilas is wrong .