karmjeet

Do you guys know that Maharaja Bhupinder Singh had about 360 wives ?

here is the complete shabad :

Aasaa, Fifth Mehl:

aasaa mehlaa 5.

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For a moment of sexual pleasure, you shall suffer in pain for millions of days.

nimakh kaam su-aad kaaran kot dinas dukh paavahi.

For an instant, you may savor pleasure, but afterwards, you shall regret it, again and again. ||1||

gharee muhat rang maaneh fir bahur bahur pachhutaavahi. ||1||

O blind man, meditate on the Lord, the Lord, your King.

anDhay chayt har har raa-i-aa.

Your day is drawing near. ||1||Pause||

tayraa so din nayrhai aa-i-aa. ||1|| rahaa-o.

You are deceived, beholding with your eyes, the bitter melon and swallow-wort.

palak darisat daykh bhoolo aak neem ko tooNmar.

But, like the companionship of a poisonous snake, so is the desire for another`s spouse. ||2||

jaisaa sang bisee-ar si-o hai ray taiso hee ih par garihu. ||2||

For the sake of your enemy, you commit sins, while you neglect the reality of your faith.

bairee kaaran paap kartaa basat rahee amaanaa.

Your friendship is with those who abandon you, and you are angry with your friends. ||3||

chhod jaahi tin hee si-o sangee saajan si-o bairaanaa. ||3||

The entire world is entangled in this way; he alone is saved, who has the Perfect Guru.

sagal sansaar ihai biDh bi-aapi-o so ubri-o jis gur pooraa.

Says Nanak, I have crossed over the terrifying world-ocean; my body has become sanctified. ||4||5||127||

kaho naanak bhav saagar tari-o bha-ay peet sareeraa. ||4||5||127||

for ur clarification , (so that u don't take me wrong) , this shabad is about those people who commit adultery in fit of vaasna(lust).

" nimakh kam swaad karan kot binas dukh paave " ( Guru Arjan Dev Ji)

wow! a great satirist article !

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There is a good thread on Sikhnet.com about this topic:

http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion....2B!OpenDocument

To me this is a no brainer. Sex is a natural device for a species to continue it's existence. This is the scientific reason for sex, but it does not end there. Sikhi and many other religions promote sex between married couples. Why? This minimizes chances for sexually transmitted diseases as well as strengthens the bond between a couple if they are the only sex partners each has had. Sharing such an intimate thing between to lovers strengthens their lifelong bond with each other. They both not only share their bodies, they share their hearts and souls. This spiritual pleasure mutes the physical pleasure tenfold.

I don't think the Gurus and sikhi promote sex solely for the purpose of having children. That is too me very limiting. Sikhs are not only to be spiritual humans but also pragmatic which is why the Guru's supported the concept of family and community and rejected ascetism(renouncing wordly ways).

There is nothing wrong with sex between to two people who are committed to one another. They should have it as often and as much as they like. That's what it is there for. If it were for only one thing it would not give the amount of pleasure it does. It is a gift from the almighty and should be treated as such. Anything less is an insult to Waheguru's design. We were given the breath of life to bring joy and bliss to our lives not to limit it and promote guilt over those things that bring us pleasure. It is only when such things are abused that they become Kaam, or other vices.

When one betrays another through extramarital sex, or when one is sexually abused. This is kaam. Not consentual relations between marriage partners.

Sex(between two committed individuals) = pleasure = joy = good

Peace

well this is your view . i respect that . but when u happen to meet a mahapurakh ask them wt is wrong and wt is right . u will get the same answer as singh47 got .

HeyDudesWassup wrote:

When I recently went to India, I was talking to a Sant who came to the local Gurdwara to do Katha. He described sex as “Ganda Kamâ€. Even a Nihang I talked to described it similarly along the lines. Not that I want to seem too wise… but how the heck is it ‘divine’ when it is a physical act? It seems like the hippie culture of the 60’s has made sex and drugs into ‘divine’ experiences. We can still feels the effects of the Hippie culture on this forum it seems.

true . physical is not spiritual . atma and sareer are different .

main sareer nahi atma hoon ........sat chit anand saroop......that's wt baba ishar singh ji rare sahib wale used to say ( if i m not wrong )

i know in gurbani , jeev atma has been described as a wife and GOD as husband . but it doesn't prove that gurbani is saying that baser material is good . It is asking us to rise above such things , go into sehaj and have milap with God .

Dude, sex is one of the highest expression of love a man and wife can experience. In Bani does it not express ectasy between man and God with "come to my bed" and there are many other gurbani tuks which would probably maybe you blush , anyways I don't gotta prove shh to you. you know the truth yourself.

i agree that sex is one of the highest expression of love a man and wife can experience.

but not between a manukh and a parmatma .

gurbani talks about the milap between atma and parmatma not between sareers.

so what would you say sex is? No Sikh Mahapursh has ever described sex as "dirty or shameful experience".

Bhog Bilaas is a requirement for gristhis to continue the cycle of life. bt within a certain limit and upto a certain extent .

Whatever karmjeet post any article you please but don't tell me that applies to everyone, you want to be celibate then thats your thing. I would like to post some articles of how spiritual having sex can be.

just give me ONE and only ONe reference from Gurbani or Dasam Granth or any gurmat granth which supports ur point that sex can be divine ! ( don't mention references from any stupid shastars or anti gurmat granths)

if there is something from gurmat , i promise i will believe u that sex can be divine .

becus the thing is we don't want people coming here and being misguided . we have to follow gurmat not manmat .

so lets see if u can get one reference .

and one thing don't mention that analogy of relationship with man and woman from gurbani . that's the milap pf atmas between manukh and parmatma . that's not sex .

i m not saying that u r wrong . but prove that u r not wrong by giving one single reference from gurmat .

i appolize for any offense cause veer ji...you are more than welcome to share your views but you as you know this is discussion forum ..we need to discuss things openly with pyaar ....even disagreements needs to be done in sikh manner.

koi gal nahi ji! its ok yaar!!

No Sikh Mahpursh ever described sex as 'Devine EXperience'.

totally agreed !

chalo shado veer ji , ki pya inna gallan vich .

jo Guru sahib ne furmaan kita hai , uste amal kariye . eh gallan taan kadi mukniaan hi nahi , age di age turi javegi .

aapaan chup kar ke naam japiye , kirat di kamai kariye , sat sangat vich jaayiye , aape guru sahib sumat denge .

par ik mainu sikhya mili hai ke har kise de apne apne vichar hun . jo apne kol hai usnoo apne andar sambal ke rakhna chahida hai . koi kise di gal nahi manda . is karke chup karke apna kum kari chaliye , guru ji bhali karnge

is moorakh haramkhor gunahgaar loon harami bande noo maaf karna

wjkk wjkf

Can we make a manjee/palang combo that is 6 feet long by 3 feet wide and do prakash and sucasan on the "combo"?

well , if space is a issue u can do both on the combo . i understand ur problem . And Guru Ji knows it well too . All they need is sharda and lot of prem....................

jin prem kiyo tin hi prabhu paayo............

Karamjit singh,

just one serious question:

You think mahapursh like- Sant baba gurbachan singh ji bhindranvaley, Sant baba attar singh ji reru sahib who were in gristh jeevan had any less bhakti than mahapursh who were not in gristh jevan - celibates ????

well that's a very good question .

but first tell me that how do u know that they( in gristhi jeevan ) had any bhog bilas ?

only GOD knows ...

" Brahmgyani ki gat brahmgyani jaane "

I agree that celibacy is an extreme and not for most people, it will most likely cause people to snap due to the suppression. Just look at all these so called preists in any religon that molest.

Anyways in my opinion there is no point in karmjeet posting articles like "how to control wet dreams" in the inspriational section of this website.

i posted this because i know the problems that people have to under go when they start doing bhagti . they have to preserve shakti so that they can get higher avastha . its all means of kalyug to deprive u of ur power or to demoralize u .

wet dreams drain a lot of spiritual energy . u can only get to the next step if u control them , other wise u won't climb the ladder .

so that's y i posted this for those veers who have took the first step by controlling themselves from abusing themselves and want to climb the next step in the staircase .

Do u know wt is jat sat ?

jat means celibacy .

The 1st thing necessary for bhagti that Guru Nanak Dev Ji mentioned was in the last pauri of Sri Japji Sahib : " Jat pahara dheeraj sunayar"

if u don't believe me listen to katha of giani thakur singh

Guru Gobind Singh ji said : " Jat ki jata jog ke majjan nem ke nakhun badayo "

so i think r u going to follow ur Guru Ji or ur man mat ?

karmjeet mang, wassup with these cheesy nonsense articles?

I feel like rebelling to the other extreme and posting Pro-Sex articles.

well u know what , i posted such articles beacuse i think there would be some people on this site who would really like to be spiritually high . well i guess i was wrong . i will refrain from posting things which don't make sense to you, in the future .

i am not a supporter of any oranization , no rss , no akalis , no akj etc ...

i just posted what i think looked right .

because after reading a jeevans of lot of sant mahapurakhs , their sakhis , and meeting people who did their sangat , there wr some gupt facts that i learned which seem unusual to normal people who have not heard about them .

but never mind . its of no use .

that's y bhagat kabeer ji said : " Moorkhe naal na lujiye "

I don't know if any one of u heard about this one .

But I read this from jeevan of Baba Maha harnam Singh Ji Bhucho Kalan wale (teacher of Baba Nand Singh Ji ).

once a sadhu came to baba ji and started crying that he has done bhakti for many years but nothing has happened yet . baba ji asked him to come next morning . baba ji asked him to do the dhyan of sun as soon as it rises until it sets without even blinking his eyes . with baba ji's hukam he started doing that . he used to do it everyday : looking directly at the sun without even blinking for a fraction of a second . every evening he used to fell down due to all the strain and exhaustion . and every day baba ji used to rejuvenate him by using his shakti . it continued for abt 40 days . and after that , sadhu started seeing prakash in his dhayn equal to quadrillion s of lightnings and suns .

these things are not for us . we don't want our eyes damaged . i m just telling that this form of sadhnaa or tap pr bhakti also exists .

waheguru...

Once i heard in the katha of Giani Thakur Singh , that one pesron used to do abhyaas of ik oankar mantar and one day the shakti felt by him was so powerful that he couldn't control it and he died .

so Giani thakur singh advised we should n't do path of this mantar( unless advised by a mahapurakh ) , only gurmantar .

waheguru ...

Dhan Baba (A)Nand Singh Ji maharaj kaleran wale used to say that doing the path of mool mantar upto gurprasad is like a sword hanging upon your neck that can fall any time . its not advisable .

This mantar upto gurprasad was given to Guru Nanak Dev ji by Nirankar ( although He were himself nirankar )

If sikhs want to benefit from mool mantar they should do upto nanak hosi bhi sach beacuse if you don't include the name of your guru u can't meet Nirankar . u need a guru to meet GOD .

guru bina gat nahi te shah bina pat nahi .

that's y all the saints and mahapurakh advise people to do upto hosi bhi sach .

waheguru ...

Disclaimer : Everything in this article doesn't necessarily represents my views. and it may not apply to everyone .

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Brahmacharya or celibacy is a rational process of preserving and conserving precious energy so that it can be utilised in other very essential and indispensable functions. And if it is preserved like this, it can be converted, just as tangible, gross water is converted into subtle steam. Then it can do wonders. A river may not have much power in it by itself. You may be easily able to row or swim across it. But, if it is dammed up and its waters conserved, then it has the power, when properly channelled, to turn huge turbines and produce electricity. The hot sun, even in summer, does not normally cause a fire, but if you concentrate its rays through a lens, those rays will immediately burn whatever they are focused on. That is what celibacy actually is.

Among all these bodily processes, most have become mechanical. Most people are not intensely aware of eating, drinking, sleeping, voiding. All these things have become automatic. But the one process that most of them purposefully engage in, with great desire for it—wanting it, thinking about it, planning for it and going after it—is sex enjoyment, which means that this is a process that concentrates their entire consciousness, entire mind, entire attention upon the physical, their physical identity. From one angle the sex act is the acme of physicality or animality. It is a process that perforce directs your entire attention upon the physical, and even more, the full focusing of your desire and intention upon that part of your physical nature that you share in common with the entire animal kingdom. Is this going to be in any way helpful for attaining Cosmic Consciousness?

Question: Celibacy is often seen in the modern West as an outmoded, old-fashioned practice. It is often viewed as repressive, life-denying—even antithetical to what spiritual practice is ultimately all about. Many spiritual authorities in the West are now teaching that to realise our full potential as human beings, we must embrace, rather than in any way avoid or repress, our sexuality. These views stand in stark contrast to what the great traditions have always taught. What do you think about this?

Swamiji: I don’t agree with the general attitude that has just been expressed. They have failed to grasp the place of brahmacharya in the spiritual life.

It is not outmoded; it is not at all old-fashioned, and it is not repressive or life-denying. On the contrary, it is used as a plank for everlasting life, endless life. Their view of life seems to be a very, very limited and narrow view of life. This is not the only life there is. When you come to have a little glimpse or idea of what real life is, then you will just stand amazed. This present life as such is meaningless. It is a petty trifle, a nothing, if not understood in terms of its being a take-off runway for catapulting into that greater life.

This life is a means to that great, glorious, grand end and aim of human existence which is to enter into a life that is the life of God, that is one with God’s life, the Kingdom of Heaven. That is the whole purpose of human existence. Human life has been given to us as a passageway to Divinity, as a passageway to everlasting life.

No person with a little religious knowledge and awareness or a spiritual view will ever deny the validity of brahmacharya. It is something scientific and a scientific thing never gets outmoded or old-fashioned. Brahmacharya is neither avoiding sexuality nor repressing sexuality. It is giving the go-by to sexuality so that the potential and the power of the sexual process can now be used for something so wonderful that sex pales into insignificance in contrast.

So brahmacharya is neither repressing sexuality nor avoiding sexuality. It is just bypassing sexuality—making use of this sexual potential for something ten times, a hundred times greater. Therefore, the question of repression and suppression is a misnomer. It is due to a lack of proper understanding of what the real spiritual quest is. If it is understood, then these terms will not be used. We are not just human beings; we are more than human beings. Our human status is only a pale reflection of what we really are. The only reason our human status acquires some meaning and significance is because if it is properly utilised, it can raise us up and take us into that which is our own, bring us into the Kingdom—to which we have a birthright.

If you want to understand the practice of celibacy through an analogy that is within the thought forms of today, consider an athlete whose great ambition is to win a gold medal at the Olympics. He will willingly put himself into the hands of a trainer, and if the trainer says, “No more late night revelry, no more sex, no more junk food, no more alcohol,†the athlete readily agrees. He says: “I’ll agree to this and more also if you want it.†Why? Because he wants the gold medal. And no one raises an eyebrow, no one is outraged. Why? Because the gold medal justifies all these so-called “inhibitions.†You cannot say that he’ s doing violence to or repressing himself, because he is not looking at it that way. He is willing to do anything that the trainer demands of him. It is not imposed upon him by other people. We understand why he is doing it and we accept it.

However, in one way the idea in the West that brahmacharya is suppression is not entirely off the mark. If one represses or suppresses some inherent natural force or faculty, it can bring about undesirable changes in the personality. If brahmacharya is forced upon an individual against the individual’s inclination and will, abnormal conditions naturally may result, because the person is being compelled to do something that deep within himself or herself the person does not want to do—compelled by others, by social restraint or by taking up vows that he or she ought not to have taken before having well considered exactly what it implied.

But if an intelligent person, having deeply pondered the whole basis of life, says: “When I want to achieve something great, something mighty, I cannot afford to deplete the energies that I have. The more I conserve, the more I can divert into that achievement and the greater the chance of succeeding.†So thinking and having understood the rationale of it and fully appreciating the ultimate achievement it would lead to, if he or she voluntarily, willingly and with great enthusiasm undertakes celibacy, where comes the question of suppression?

On the contrary, what appears to be a sort of denial is actually giving full self-expression to a higher dimension of your being into which you have now placed yourself. So, far from denying self-expression, it is giving full expression to yourself because you are no longer identified with the lesser aspect of your total personality. You are identified with the higher aspect. It is a sort of a liberation and evolution to a higher level. It is something positive, creative, and not anything negative. It is not a denial but an actual expression of yourself in the form of a keen aspiration and a noble ambition.

When it constitutes such a process, then Freud and the others are off the mark. They have never visualised such a situation, such a possibility. But it is not only a possibility, it is a tradition of centuries, of millennia—someone being prepared to do anything, give anything, pay any price for the attainment of the Highest.

Question: Tantra or the practice of “Sacred Sexuality,†is becoming very popular in the West today. Do you think these teachings offer an authentic spiritual path?

Swamiji: No, I do not think that these teachings offer an authentic spiritual path. Why? Because of human frailty, human weakness. The human mind is so made that it always takes the path of least resistance. It always wants the easy way.

Tantra is an approach to God through all types of sense enjoyment. Everything is offered to God and so everything becomes sanctified; nothing is profane. One enjoys sense satisfaction and sees it also as part of God’s bliss. There is a view, and it has something to it, that while in all human experiences duality persists—there is an “I am enjoying this object†feeling—that in the ultimate sexual experience between a truly loving male, intensely in love with the female and fully reciprocated by the female, there is no consciousness of one’s separate individuality. There is a total fusion of the separatist consciousness in each one, and there is only the awareness of bliss experience. There is no experiencer. They say this is a possibility when it is done to its perfection. The two cease to be and there is only one, non-dual experience, Experience Absolute, Brahmic-consciousness. So they say that the human body is an instrument that, if properly made use of, can bring about a rising above body consciousness.

For one in a million it may click.

The pursuit of pleasure is part of the Western view of life—not the denial of pleasure. And one teacher in ten may be an authentic teacher genuinely offering something suited to the Western temperament. But nine of them are very shrewd people. They know there is a market for this, and they are wise to it. The approach is: You can have your cake and eat it too.

Mind you, this was an authentic path that did once upon a time exist in India, especially in the Eastern part. Even now it exists. But it became grossly perverted. People became enmeshed in it. They said they were practising tantra but it was only wining, dining, and sex pleasure. It took them nowhere, but I suppose it took them where they wanted to go. So it was dubbed by enlightened people of that time as the “perverted path.†Two paths then came into existence: the authentic path which was called the “right-hand path,†and the perverted path which was only after enjoyment. That was called the “left-hand path.â€

There is an episode in the life of the great Sri Ramakrishna, the guru of Swami Vivekananda. He practised all the yogic paths as well as Christianity, Islam and others, and he discovered that they all led to the same ultimate God-experience. And during one period of his spiritual life he practised tantra also. A woman tantric approached him and said, “I have been sent here by God to initiate you into the tantric way of attaining God.†Day after day she expounded the tantric way. But when it came to the final stage, Sri Ramakrishna, who swore by brahmacharya, replied that through this [his] body it is impossible. She said, “Then I’ll have the whole thing enacted before you.†So she got a tantric male and a tantric female to enact the ultimate consummation of the practice before him. As he was observing it stage by stage she went on describing it to him: “Observe carefully. Now you see how they are in ecstasy; they are ecstatic. They are losing their own consciousness.†And at that stage, suddenly Ramakrishna lost all consciousness. He went into deep samadhi. So he vicariously proved to himself that that ultimate sexual experience can lift one up into that state beyond all duality.

And so the science as such exists, but there are very few authentic gurus, and it has to be strictly followed under the personal supervision of a true guru. I am likely to be accused of being uncharitable, but I believe that most purveyors of modern sacred sexuality are interested in making a profit out of it for themselves.

As I told you, the sex force is sacred; sex is sacred. It is one of the most sacred of all things. But sacred sexuality is a misnomer. Once you get enmeshed in sexuality, the sacredness is given the bye-bye. That is due to man’s weakness, frailty. Therefore, I am not going to be an advocate of it.

waheguru...

Sexual abstinence for limited amount of time is a common practise when doing long periods of paath or going to war but making it a 24/7 practice in married life is heresy!!! It leads to mental diseases and abnormal sexual behaviour and perversion.One only needs to look at some of the scandals related to bihangams to see how true it is!!!!

this is not completely true .

So how come Baba Ishar Singh Ji, Sant Ishar Singh Ji , didn't go mad ?

Sant Ishar Singh ji rare sahib wale have said that celibacy is a fuel for meditation .

Guru ji have said , " Jat Pahara Dheeraj Sunayaar "

" Kaam Krodh Sareer ko gale "