karmjeet

Sant Attar Singh Mastuanavale said raags are not important, does that mean he was right? Clearly: NO!!!

there could be a no. of reasons if he said that ( and i don't know he said that )

so u can't really say anything about a Brahmgyani . u can't say that he was not right.

And Who Am I ? to tell you to do this or that . I have no authority neither do i have any right . Only Guru Ji can order you to do that .

And by the way shaka , don't try to compare me with Guru Gobind Singh Ji other wise u will be disrespecting Him ( guru ji ) because I am not even close to even his true sikh's charan dhoor .

Now you can all chose: the words of Guru Gobind Singh or the words of Karamjeet...

these are not my views neither are these my words . this is just an example or a saakhi from the jeevan of Baba Nand Singh ji , which taught how to become celibate . And this rule may appl y to those people with a higher avastha not people like us who are engrossed in vishe vikars .

To place every single word of a sant or mahapurush at the same level as gurbani is heresy of the worst kind!!!

sant and mahapurash are one with The Guru Granth Sahib Ji . So whatever they speak is in accordance with Gurbani .They never speak against Gurbani .

And u said , the same rule may not apply as general . That's very true . I agree with that . Sants look at the avastha ( mental or spiritual state of sangi and then speak accordingly . )

I am not saying Gurbani is not important . Gurbani is the highest above all . Even Guru Arjan Dev Ji respected The Aadi Granth .

This is heresy of the highest kind without any fondation in gurbani.This is disgusting and an insult to the graces Akal Purakh gives his Sikhs.

how is this disgusting and insult ? can u explain ?

Talk to any mahapurash , chardeekala sant , or chardeekala damdami sikh , and ask them about Guru ji's , u will get the same answer that they were nirlep from this maya . They didn't go through the process that we go through to produce kids .

And some things don't need to be explained in Gurbani . They are known by only brahmgyanis .

For eg :

Bhagt Dhanna ji had the kamai of his previous 1100 janams . That 's y he could have darshan of God from a pathar .

Now tell me where in gurbani its written , that He had kamai of 1100 janams . this was told by Brahmgyami Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa .

Similarly , some facts don't have to be based on Gurbani .

Bachans of Brahmgyanis are enough .

I agree with Shaka, I don't know why people go out of their way to make sex between man-wife look bad.

Gurbani Says :

"Kaam Krodh Sareer Ko Gaale"

Even though its sex with your partner , its still Kaam . Kaam is bad for your health .

That's why married gursikhs ( true gursikhs ) keep it very moderate .

That's y people these days don't have long ages . due to Kaam ( some exceptions exist )

I read in a book by sant baba jagjit singh ji harkhowalaey that-

There was conversation sakhi between Guru Ji and Mardana regarding celibacy in gristh hood...Guru Ji said you can have kids without having any phsyical relationship if you are highest spiritual stage. I found it very fascninating.

quote from that book:

Guru Ji then replied that reproducting children is done through "dristhi bhog" (Pure Vision). The people there practised naam with each and every pore of their bodies. On the basis of truth the women give birth just by looking at their partners eyes. At bhramgyan stage, one does not need to have intercourse to reproduce an kid.

very interesting !!

Once Baba Nand Singh Ji told this saakhi to a sikh :

After Guru Nanak Dev Ji got married , he remained busy in preaching NAAM . A long time passed . Once Bebe Naanki Ji ( Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Sister ) prayed to Guru Ji that she wants to play with his nephews or nieces meaning that he should have some children now . Guru Ji gave two cloves to Bebe Naanki Ji as a prashad and asked her to give it to Mata Sulakhni Ji ( Guru ji's wife ) . Then Mata ji gave birth to 2 sons .

I mean to say that our Guru jis didn't have to do the process that we do for giving birth to children . Gurus and brahmgyanis are nirlep from this maya . They can do anything with their POWER .

k 1 question for u sikhs. plz answer as this is a serious question not a joke.

do sikhs believe in just having sex to have kids or can u do it for love and pleasure to?

i think its basically for starting your family by having kids

but then again i can't think of anything prohibting u from making love with your partner .

literal meaning of celibate is to control your desires and don't have physical relationship .

A married couple can be a celibate as well , while having physical relationship . ( and obviously they have to follow rehit maryada )

Once a gursikh asked Baba Nand Singh Ji , how can he becoma a celibate while being married ?

He answered :

for a grahsti 2 children are enough .

have relationship only once in a whole year .

if u still can't control ur self , make it once in 6 months i.e. twice in a year

if u still can't do it , make it once a month .

if u still can't control ur self , do it once a week ( on tuesday , between 11 pm to 1 am )

and the next day in the morning , take a kesi ishnan .

And if you still can't control it , then you are not a sikh of Guru Nanak , U r a vishayi ( a person engrossed in sensual pleasures )

in sikhi , we can be celibate while being married by following the rehit maryada , by thinking of opposite sex as brothers and sisters except your married partner .

Its easy for a married sikh to attain salvation than for a celibate to achieve the same results . because if a grahasti ( married sikh) commits a mistake , he can b pardoned by Guru ji , but a if a celibate does he won't be .

look at this analogy :

a married sikh ( following all the rehit ) is like an ant who goes for its detination . ant can fall but it doesn't hurt him .

A celibate is like a bird , if he falls down ( which usually doesn't happen ) he can get killed .

actually , married way is prefered by guru ji ,there is no doubt in that .

but then again being a celibate is also not bad .

Guru ji and some of the very spiritual saints like Sant Baba Nand Singh Ji , Baba Ishar Singh Ji ...........etc . all were celibate .

waheguru!!!!!!

Kavi Santokh Singh has added some incorrect information so that he himself can take cannabis and opium . And some where in his granth , he has also wriiten in favor of eating meat so that he himself can eat it .

beautiful

actually its not hair , its just a part of turban going down

Waheguru Gurmantar is the best .

all these puratan mantras from vedas , and om were for previous yugs .

For Kalyug its only Waheguru gurmantar .

"kalyug vich guru nanak da pehra hai "( Baba Nand Singh Ji)

Waheguru = vasudev+hari+gobind+ram

waheguru = 4 times saying hari , or gobind , or ram .

waheguru maybe =100-10000000000 times saying om .

y do u guys worrying about this om . it s for hindus , arya samajis , ....

Waheguru japooooooo!!!!!!!!!

waheguru!!!!!

listen to first 2 kathas

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio/Giani_T..._Sahib_Viakhya#

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this is truly amazing .

i m not saying that this Sant Mahapurakh ji is not chardikala , but how is it possible for a camera to capture the prakash which can only be seen with ur inner eyes or dribdrishti .

normal people who don't have any kamai are able to see that prakash , only some chardikala singhs with lots of kamai .

but it could be true too. who knows

ho sakda hai guru ji ne kirpa kar ke yeh kramat ki ho

dhan Guru Nanak !

waheguru waheguru ...............

Aum aum aum Aum Aum try it and you will see for yourself...

Karmjeet, the universe(s) is one, me and you are one, don't try to label and differientiate.

je toon aum aum .... japna hai taan japi jaa , mainu pagal kutte ne vadya ,jehda main Guru Nanak ji da ditta hoya ida vada Gurmantar shad ke aum aum karan lag jaavaan ?

Sikhan layi gurmantar ton vada koi mantar nahi hai .

And tell me wt label did i put ?

i know that in everything there is God , u , me , universe , hathii , sher , kutta , jaanvar , kidi ....

i m telling the reality that om represents the 3 devtas , not the akal purakh

first of all , its not " ek omkar "

its " ek oangkar " ( g is silent , its like a tippi on aida , but g is not pronounced )

hari wrote :Ek Omkar does not equal God. Ek Omkar does not equal God.

Ek Omkar is greater than God.

Ek Omkar>God

i don't understand u . wt do u mean by that ?

hari=god

gopal=god

ram=god( not ramchandra ji )

waheguru=(god)

parmatma=(god)

ishwar=(god)

ik ongkar = god

and as i already told u its not ek omkar . its ik ongkar

hari wrote:You do know Karmjeet that the Omkar name existed before Satguru Nanak became manifest on this plane?You know that right?

no omkar didn't exist before . " oang" existed .

Om is That Which Is, and Omkar is the manifestation of That Om

i don't know about omkar , but "ik ongkar " is not the manifestation of om .

By your thinking then Karmjeet, Sikhiya of Satguru Nanak is Hindu-puna.By your thinking.

no , its not . sikhi is a completely different panth .

|| nanak nirmal panth chalaya ||

Hari Om.Jai Shri Om....

hindus recite it

||roop na rekh na rang kich treh gun te prabh bhin tise bhujaye nanaka jis hove suprasann||

|| sunn samadhi aape aap ||

om is a mantar for hindu , brahman s...

its not for sikhs , sikhs should concenterate on their gurmantar only

morever , om doesn't symbolise GOD

om= a+u+m

a=brahma

u=vishnu

m=mahesh

these r the 3 devtas symbolised ny om .

(Ik onkar=GOD)

there's no benefit on concenterating OM , ( altough u may get spirituality by continous parctise but not gursikhi jeevan )

fom one of the kathas of giani thakur singh ji , i heard that the karak is the higher stage above the brahmgyan .

but i don't really know wts the difference between between both ? or there isn't any ?

becus when u r one with God in brahmgyan then wt else is left to achieve ? so how can karak be a higher stage ? i don't get it .

or as n3o said they r both the same just different names .

waheguru , waheguru .....

very interesting ... i would love to experience these myself but i don't have the capability ... guru ji kirpa karan mere te ...