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  6. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Death

    in History of Sikh Gurus

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    I'm not sure where the theory that Guru Sahib's bodies were not cremated came from. This is not in line with any existing history. Guru Nanak, according to the Sakhis, did indeed not leave behind his body and some stories say Guru Gobind Singh ji did the same, but others have proven from old sources that he was cremated (See Dr. Ganda Singh's book on this issue).

    Guru Angad Dev jee was cremated at Khadur Sahib where exists Gurdwara Darbar Sahib Angitha Sahib. Guru Amar Das Sahib was cremated at Goindwal Sahib and there exists Joti Jot Asthaan P: 3. Guru Ram Das Sahib also merged with the light at Goindwal Sahib but I don't recall the place. Guru Arjan Dev Sahib's body was not found as it was put in the Ravi. Guru Hargobind Sahib and Guru Har Rai Sahib were both cremated at Gurdwara Patalpuri Sahib at Keeratpur Sahib. Guru Harkrishan Sahib was cremated at Gurdwara Bala Sahib at Delhi and Guru Tegh Bahdur Sahib's body was cremated at Gurdwara Rakab Ganj Sahib (Delhi) while his sees was cremated at Gurdwara Sees Ganj Sahib (Delhi).

    So, I'm not sure where this theory comes from that all the Gurus left with their bodies. It certainly doesn't have any basis in history or fact.

    There are some facts that are "gupt " and far above from the level of normal human understanding . these facts have no written history , no records and can't be proved by giving references . only those who are Brahmgyanis like Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji khalsa , Sant Kartar Singh Ji ,

    Sant Harnam Singh ji rampur khere wale , etc . can know these facts through brahmgyan becus they r one with their guru .

    or these facts can be known by doing sangat of such mahapurakhs .

    or doing sangat of people who have done sangat of mahapurakhs and listened to these sakhis, facts etc.

    and for most of the time these facts seem unacceptable and astonishing

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  7. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Death

    in History of Sikh Gurus

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    Karmjeet, can you please elaborate abt Guru Harkrishan's 'disappearance'?

    Since all the Gurujis were same God , they didn' die . neither their bodies were cremated by sikhs . So same rule applied to Guru Harkrishan ji as well . but i don't specifically know wt happened . sorry for that .

    i myself don't know anything . all that i am sharing with u guys is wt i heard in kathas , in diwans , read in books and the sakhis i lheard from my elders and parents since i was a child .

    " main keeeta na jaata haramkhor

    hyo kya muho desa dust chor

    gunahgaar loon harami pahan naav na paar garami "

    wjkk wjkf

    bhul chuk maaf

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  8. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Death

    in History of Sikh Gurus

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    Guru Tegh Bahadars head flew into the hands of Bhai Jaito ?? erm ok.. So if non of the Gurus actually died - then are we sure they were even born ? or is this another Jesus situation and all the Gurus just came out of thin air.. ?

    Avtars are not born like normal people do . They do not come out of the mother's womb .

    When the mother give birth to a mass (which is not living ) then the shakti or a aatma enters that mass , and THE AVTAR IS BORN.

    Avtars and bhagats are free from the cycle of births .

    And for Guru jis , i can;t say anything . All of you know that GOD IS NEVER BORN AND NEITHER DOES HE DIE .

    gurujis(sargun)=God(nirgun)

    Our ganda sareer (body) is made of five elements (panj tatt) . But guruji's bodies are different from ours . They r made from other elements ( heard in a katha by damdami taksal vidiyarthi Giani Thakur Singh Ji )

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  10. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Death

    in History of Sikh Gurus

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    two pathans came to kill guru ji . one of them stabbed guru ji . guru ji took out his sri saahib abd cut the head of one pathan at once . the other pathan was also injured but fled . then time went on . the wound ws bandaged .

    one day some singhs were trying to tie the string over the bow . but the bow ws very hard inflexible . they were having tough time tying i t. guru ji were watching all this . guru ji came and tied the string very easily on the bow . when he stretched the string of the bow back upto his ears , His wound which ws n't healed properly got damaged again . and He started bleeding profusely . then guru ji said its time to go now .

    then guru ji ordered singhs to make a " angeetha " ( fire) and a " tamboo " all around it . guru ji went inside and disappered along with his horse .

    Guru ji DID NOT DIE , he just disappered along with his body . on the same day he also gave darshan to one singh .

    ALL THE TEN GURUS NEVER DIED . THEY JUST DISAPPEAR ALONG WITH THIER BODIES . FROM THE EYES OF COMMON PEOPLE . THEY GO NO WHERE . THEY R WITH US . ( Saskaar of no Guru Ji was done )

    for example :

    Guru Nanak Dev Ji took chadar and disappered

    Guru Angad Dev Ji disappeared . Sangat started crying and bcame confused that where did guru ji go . then some chardikala sikhs prayed. guru ji again came back . then they asked guru ji from thhis world like normal people do . then angeetha was prepared . and again by putting maya in the eyes of people they disappeared again . People thought they wr doing saskaar of the dead body but there ws nothing there . it ws all maya .

    Guru Arjan Dev ji disappeared too in the raavi river too .

    Guru Gobind Singh ji disappeared too .

    Similarly all other gurus Guru Amardas Ji , Guru Ramdaas ji , Guru Hargobind Sahib ji , Guru Harrai ji , Guru Harkrishan Ji , all disappered .

    Guru Ji don't die .

    However i think in case of Guru Teg Bahadur ji , things wr little different .

    Jallad was not able to cut guru ji's head . Even before jallads sword could touch guru ji's neck , His head flew off and went into the hands of Bhai Jaito ji and his body ws picked up by Bhai Lakhi shah vanjara amidst a great storm .

    wjkk wjkf

    bhul chuk maaf

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  15. Baba Ishar Singh Ji Nanaksar wale and 500 shaheed singhs !!

    in Saints | Way of Living

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    In 1962 , there was a war between India and China . China wanted to occupy some parts of the India including Jammu and Kashmir . And if not for Baba Ji , chinese army may have reached upto the states of haryana , and himachalpradesh in India .

    The stupid prime minister of India ( Jawaharlal nehru ) stopped all the factories that were manufacturing ammunition and guns . And India was less advanced in this field of war equipments . Nehru went on with his peace making stuff , but the chinese betrayed and waged a war against India . Obviously , given the poor technology of India as compared to China's , India was bound to lose . Although , china was successful in occupying a very little part of Kashmir , it was stopped there . it couldn't proceed further . Now the reason for that is as following :

    Most of the sikhs who were sent to the front were mainly sikhs . some of the generals and sikhs used to come to baba ji. Baba Ji used to distribute gutkes of panj baanian and say that nitnem is everything .

    Now when soldiers were fighting with their rusted guns , their rifles got jammed . they didn't fire . so they had to fight hand on hand . And then many people or soldiers , saw a sant with a white chola and a khanda in his hand fighting against the enemy with a speed unimaginable and the attacks looked like lightning strikes . Baba ji's sangees were sure that it was baba ji helping them .

    And the 500 shaheed singhs ( dehdhari )of Guru Gobind Singh Ji also assisted Baba Ji . These were those singhs who were sent by Guru Ji to Mansarovar to do very hard Tapasya .

    And thus this way Baba Ji saved India from this catastrophe . Otherwise who knows what t was going to happen .

    Sant Ishar Singh Ji Nanaksar Wale were not only a brahmgyani but also a great warrior . Who knows how many times did he save the world and other people in trouble ?

    I have heard a lot of sakhis about Him helping people and saving the universe , but don't remember them exactly .

    once a sikh presented a very beautiful " Naagni " to baba ji ( similar to the one used by bhai bachittar singh ji in killing the elephant ). Baba ji stiked the ground with this barcha , and a tiny cyclone erupted from the ground which went on killing about 1 man and doing a very littlle damage . people wondered how much damage it may have caused if it was very big . but fortunately they were saved by baba ji .

    brahmgyani ki gat brahngyani jaane ....

    wjkk wjkf

    bhul chul maaf ....

    sat naam sri waheguru...

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