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"Seemingly the way out for women is emasculation rather than whole-heartedly fighting for their femininity to be accepted and given equal respect."

why?

good stuff man. really good form of sewa IMO.

where was the british media when there were thousands of protestors commemorating the death of sikhs in 1984??..in central bleedin london of all places! i swear this worlds going mad!

ironically enough that was about the right to life, in my view the right to offend is a lesser right yet it recieved infinitely more coverage.

It really surprises me of how some people with an agenda show how desperate they are by putting down the Panthic Sangarsh and Shaheeds, even in unrelated threads. They just reek of desperation. Oh well…..

agree

i think it is wrong str8 up. while i am not intolerant of homosexuals I do not think sikh marraige is really a thing that can happen between 2 mans. If people are gay fair enough, live together and enjoy life, but marraige between 2 mans doesn't really sound like grist jeevan to me.

from the dictionary definition I would guess it means those people who class themseves as spiritual mean they are more concerned with their spirit than their material wealth or physical things.

Equality...strange notion...

...unless a man starts to menstruate and a woman starts to develop sperm, only then can they be considered "equal". (Discounting transgender individuals, androgens, and assuming that genetic manipulation has not been applied).

Each gender has its own strengths and weaknesses. The idea is to synergise and potentiate the other's good qualities to ensure the end result (whatever it may be) is of top quality. This notion of 'equality' seems very strange when men and women are inherently DIFFERENT. They may be 'equal' in a socio-economic sense (but even this is only relative to time, place and circumstance) - but lets not kid ourselves.

Every relationship by nature has/will have 'ups' and 'downs' - they are both important.

Trouble is that most people who seem to get into 'relationships' (casual or otherwise) are emotionally immature, lack life experience and shouldnt be allowed to vote let alone exercise their genitalia. As a consequence, we see kids having kids...

..all this breeds insecurity, emotional underdevelopment and in extreme cases this results in abuse (physical, mental, emotional, and sometimes even spiritual).

It seems an easy way to appear "cool" is for blokes to state that they think women are 'equal' and think that men and women have 'equal rights' in marriage. Its a great way to pull a girl, but its a load of tripe...

(Women ar far superior - its just that in the vast majority of societies today, the male is 'dominant' as we still have a long way to go before we completely shed our inate 'caveman' genes).

seems like you are trying to justify keeping women as subjugated persons in indian culture while trying to argue some how that in their subservience they are free and very important. this is not the case. perhaps it has something to do with your jathabandi and their views.

Also i think it is ok for men to try and raise women up in society, most progressive socities already do this. Maybe this train of thought is used as a chat up line down ur sides but i can't really see how it works. its backward mentality like this that the taleban lot used to oppress women in afghanistan and somehow say they were doing them a favour. the notion of equality may indeed seem strange, especially when it threatens ones powerbase.

IF its true of course

can't see them. could you repost them please.

fair enuf, each to his own. i am arrogant blah blah blah.

why should u have power over your wife, why can't it be a mutual relationship? how about fundamental equality. treating your wife as an equal would be a step in the right direction to raising womens profiles. i am feeling sorry for your yet to be wife already!

Shes privilliged by being my wife. its not hypocrisy in my community as men have power. for a woman to cheat she leaves the family .. but for a guy to cheat he doesnt leave. its really quite obvious.

then perhaps you should help to raise the profile of women in 'your community'. and yes it is hypocrisy, just because your peers accept it doesn't mean it isn't hypocrisy. With your views to be honest i don't see how your wife would be 'privelaged'. i thought pre-historic indian cultural views like this would die out in the new generation of sikhs growing up.

no i wouldnt tell her before hand .. because its unlikely she take it the right way and anyway, it would be too jaring to say something like that to someone you dont know that well.

why will you not know her too well, i assume it will be an arranged marriage then. to be honest it sounds like your relationship will be starting with a lie. it is probably unfair to spring something like that on someone after you have married them.

And no that isnt a valid question unless you live your life in a vacuum of common sense and superior-internet made equality. In the real world, the one i live, i can expect my wife not to cheat on me because shes my wife. End of story.

So lets be absolutely clear on this, it would be ok for you to make love to other women if your wife could not satisfy you, but not for your wife to do the same. To be honest if I am getting the right jist of what you are saying I think it is just pure hypocrisy. In the same way that you say you expect your wife not to cheat on you because she is your wife do you not think she has similar expectations of you.

person who drinks too much, takes drugs and cheats on his wife can be a human being worth caring and loving.

quite possibly

and you never answered the final question. would you tell your wife about the way you feel before you married her?

sounds like what your describing is hedonism. i think it is a valid question to ask how you would feel if your wife jumped into bed with someone else and fell in love with them and with other guys if you couldn't satisfy her?

also do you think you should tell your wife of the way you feel about the subject before you marry her?

my friends have backstabbed me...

my family r busy ppl...

i find it hard 2 talk much 2 them...

that is why i am in need of a partner 2 confide in

have u tried talking to professionals. your universities councilling service, or a specialist nhs unit. to be honest its not always the case that your partner is going to be any better than your friends or family. don't think just getting a girl is gonna solve all ur problems.

here=hear

sorry, feeling thick!

Mr Orchid ...most girls in interior Punjab don't use their own will....they marry where their parents tell them not even ask them....Do u know there are about 15000 women waiting for their husbands to take them to their sasural....but those Men married them....fooled them...and are gone...and these women have nowhere to go....its easy to make this statement...that Most marry for passports....What about those CRUEL men who marry 3 or 4 times and leave these women ...to face the hell back here...in Punjab.

i think this is a big problem. i also here of many people marrying in punjab who have no real interest in getting married and then abandoning there wives in this country.

But when i saw the title to this post i thought it was about JUGS.. lol nm.. me and my kaljug mind..

same!

let me tell you that the most cultured , family oriented ,gharelu girls are still found in Punjab...since thanks to Waheguru many are still untouched by the freakiness of the western culture...call it social pressure,moral values or their principles

i have been to ਪੰਜਾਬ many times and lived in india for over a year earlier in my life. to be honest i think it is a myth to say many people are still untouched by western culture.

from my own experiences (in doaba at least) i find that the myth that every1 is sida saday is far from the truth! although i agree not every1 fits into my streotype.

merry ramadan

because i doubht the arts council would ever allow funding for that. however public funds can be used when portraying sikhs negatively. or so it would seem

i agree more damage has been done. people from the sikh community have condemned the violence but the british media in their usual impartial manner have refused to report this.

btw, who has threatened to bomb gurudwaras? can u post a link or sumthing.

cheers

dunno about deg and booze. I think they weaken ur immune system even more so the flu lasts longer. obviously my mate told me this, i wudn't know from personal experience or nething!

i think the author of the play does have the freedom to speech just as the protesters have the freedom to protest. The only unfortunate thing was that it turned a little violent on saturday. However the media has gone on to falsely label the whole sikh community when i think very few people were involved in the criminal damage.

the playwright is substituting real talent with controversial depictions of sikhs to get her play accepted by middle britain as an ethnic freedom of speech thing.