angy15

22 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

This guy if he is using bad language against this woman i

Shame on you fool talibani what do you  mean by "if he is using bad language."Listen to the video.

No respect for women.

22 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

just as bad as ghaghriwala using bad language against SGGS

Please provide the proof where Dhandariwal used bad language against SGGS.

ignore

4 hours ago, Reader said:

No he's not. Rocks are just minerals, they don't "evolve" the same way as life, heck they technically don't evolve at all. Now I know what you'll say "hur dur muh microbial in the rock hur dur" but I'll give you a little news flash, read the verse. There's no mention of them, Gurbani has defined them and named them actually, but in this verse it's not mentioned. So tell me dear wife of Dhandriwala, do rocks have souls? are minerals alive now?

I think you don' t understand evolution.

Although Rocks are composed of minerals and are inanimate  but the same minerals were building block  of primitive life  which ultimately give rise to life(animates) it is scientifically proven too. and it doen't happen randomly ,it takes millions of year .

Excerpt from Writers book.

Günter Wächtershäuser expert in chemistry proposed that the first organisms were drastically different from anything we know. They were not made of cells. They did not have enzymes, DNA or RNA.instead, Wächtershäuser imagined a flow of hot water streaming out of a volcano. The water was rich in volcanic gases like ammonia, and held traces of minerals from the volcano's heart.

Where the water flowed over the rocks, chemical reactions began to take place. In particular, metals from the water helped simple organic compounds to fuse into larger ones.The turning point was the creation of the first metabolic cycle. This is a process in which one chemical is converted into a series of other chemicals, until eventually the original chemical is recreated. In the process, the entire system takes in energy, which can be used to restart the cycle – and to start doing other things. All the other things that make up modern organisms – like DNA, cells and brains – came later, built on the back of these chemical cycles.

Another interesting article  as how Rocks and life are deeply intertwined.

http://cosmos.nautil.us/short/79/the-primordial-fertility-of-rock

How amazing our Guruji were far ahead of his time.He was truley a Natural  Philosopher and scientist too .

8 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

. Cult-leader ghaghri and his cult follower here are trying to say that when a person becomes greedy he turns into a dog and then takes a rebirth again as a human. To these cultists this is reincarnation.

 Absolutely lie you are making it up yourself .

4 hours ago, Reader said:

No he's not. Rocks are just minerals, they don't "evolve" the same way as life, heck they technically don't evolve at all. Now I know what you'll say "hur dur muh microbial in the rock hur dur" but I'll give you a little news flash, read the verse. There's no mention of them, Gurbani has defined them and named them actually, but in this verse it's not mentioned. So tell me dear wife of Dhandriwala, do rocks have souls? are minerals alive now?

Mr Pujari ji you please explain  your version of understanding of this shabad and thus this line and then we discuss

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਸੈਲ ਗਿਰਿ ਕਰਿਆ ॥

In so many incarnations, you were rock and mountains.

2 hours ago, Reader said:

I'll reply to you once you answer the same question iv asked multiple times now. Why do you hide from it? I asked you if Gurbani said the world was flat, but Science said it was round, who would you side wit

Mr reader I have already answered it go look for it.

Their is no link of above question with ek sikh Rehat Mariyada u r just ignoring my question

I don't want to discuss with fake Sikhs who are not in favour of Ek Sikh Rehat Mariyada. U celebrate ur version of Sikhi.

41 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

Abortions are not part of evolution of man.  

Sorry please explain I  am not getting it.

Just now, angy15 said:

Even to the extent of removing Guru Sahib's name from gurbani. 

Come out of medieval times. Hiding youself  behind it.

1 minute ago, chatanga1 said:

Well then you need to get clued up on your cult leader before brown-nosing.

 

Your "healthy debate" is IN context???? Like parasite missionaries/ghaghri gay fanboys you throw anything and everything in these "healthy debates" to try and prove a point. Even to the extent of removing Guru Sahib's name from gurbani. 

  i am surely  debating with a Hindu pujari . suffering from Dhahdariphobia.

2 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

Evolution of man needs abortions?

Evolution  of man through different stages  from DNA to single cell organism to multicellular organism to complex animal and finally evolved man.

1 minute ago, chatanga1 said:

No Sikhs who have faith in Gurbani will unite with some uneducated singer wearing flamboyant gay costumes. You can call my kind of Sikhs whatever you want, it doesn't matter. After all you slander the Gurus and Gurbani, so why should it make a difference if you call me a brahman, or even a maulvi?

 

And you are fighting the Gurus and Gurbani to keep the pyjama soiling cowards in Audi's, and parade queen costumes.

 

 

And there we go. Agai you have made the switch from distorting Gurbani to some so-called ek rehat maryada.

This reply is total out of context. Reply appropiately in context of the message.

EK Single Rehat Mariyada .Why Taksal brigade oppose it.

4 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

You are looking at it with dhadhris uneducated cult vision. I have only posted what SGGS clearly says. It's not my fault if ghaghri is more important to you than gurbani itself. 

There is no video of his to my knowledge so stop presuming .You have pasted SGGS shabad but your  translations is not as per Nanal Philosophy

2 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

OK so if we take your false analolgy to be correct for the sake of this "healthy debate" what tendences does a person have when they are like an aborted foetus?

Its a  healthy debate  regarding evolution  of man .You can't assume its false analogy  you have to prove it.

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਰਭ ਹਿਰਿ ਖਰਿਆ ॥ Simple logic Abortion means unfavorable mutations are either mutated in the womb or die after birth who cannot survive the outside envioronment

6 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

@Reader  don’t bother. It’s not as if this angy can be bothered to answer questions as part of his “healthy discussion” here. 

You  all don't have that khalsa spirit  to say yes to 'EK Sikh Rehat Mariyada'.The reason is you are not true sikhs but keshadhari brahmins  .You origin is from Banaras.You don't want  a united sikh community.

You are fighting the Dhadriwala and missionaries to keep your dead babas relevant and living babas and deras relevant.

No true Sikh will ever deny EK Rehat Mariyada .Only the traitors will.

1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehla:

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਭਏ ਕੀਟ ਪਤੰਗਾ ॥ 

In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਜ ਮੀਨ ਕੁਰੰਗਾ ॥

in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer.

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਪੰਖੀ ਸਰਪ ਹੋਇਓ ॥

In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਹੈਵਰ ਬ੍ਰਿਖ ਜੋਇਓ ॥੧॥

In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse. ||1||

ਮਿਲੁ ਜਗਦੀਸ ਮਿਲਨ ਕੀ ਬਰੀਆ ॥

Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him.

ਚਿਰੰਕਾਲ ਇਹ ਦੇਹ ਸੰਜਰੀਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you. ||1||Pause||

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਸੈਲ ਗਿਰਿ ਕਰਿਆ ॥

In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਰਭ ਹਿਰਿ ਖਰਿਆ ॥

in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਸਾਖ ਕਰਿ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥

in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;

ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਜੋਨਿ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਇਆ ॥੨॥

you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations. ||2||

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਭਇਓ ਜਨਮੁ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ॥

Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.

ਕਰਿ ਸੇਵਾ ਭਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ॥

Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har.

ਤਿਆਗਿ ਮਾਨੁ ਝੂਠੁ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥

Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance.

ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰਹਿ ਦਰਗਹ ਪਰਵਾਨੁ ॥੩॥

Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord. ||3||

ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਹੋਆ ਸੁ ਤੁਝ ਤੇ ਹੋਗੁ ॥

Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord.

ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ਕਰਣੈ ਜੋਗੁ ॥

No one else can do anything at all.

ਤਾ ਮਿਲੀਐ ਜਾ ਲੈਹਿ ਮਿਲਾਇ ॥

We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇ ॥੪॥੩॥੭੨॥

Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har. ||4||3||72||

 Veerji you are looking it with Hindu theory of rebirths /reincarnations of a  man .SGGS is quite different from Hindu philosophy  in its approach.

Here  Guru Arjan here is describing evolution of man  just like Darwin's Theory of Evolution although sequence of evolution is not same.

Raho pankti is important.

1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

There is no such thing as a spiritual death. There never will be a spiritual death as atma is part of Paramatma. Sayihng that the atma could die is saying that Sri Krishan is not as described in the mool mantar. Beyond time.

Sorry your translation is quite  literal

Spiritual death of the mind means without Divine qualities(ਗੁਣਹੀਣ).  he has Snake like tendencies  because when he bites he doesn't see who is friend or relatives.

On 10/10/2018 at 8:37 PM, chatanga1 said:

The missionary cockroach don't even follow Prof Sahib Singh. Neither does cockroach ghagri. ghagri said that "births and deaths are all done in the mind" when he was trying to give explanation of " ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲਛਮੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ " shabad in SGGS. Ghaghri said that this " ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ " is in the mind. Whereas Prof Sahib Singh says :

ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲਛਮੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ 

ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ = ਅੰਤ ਦੇ ਵੇਲੇ, ਮਰਨ ਸਮੇਂ। ਲਛਮੀ = ਮਾਇਆ, ਧਨ। ਸਿਮਰੈ = ਚੇਤੇ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ।
ਜੋ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਮਰਨ ਵੇਲੇ ਧਨ-ਪਦਾਰਥ ਚੇਤੇ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਇਸੇ ਸੋਚ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਮਰ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ,

 

The meaning of this shabad is very clear but even ghaghri remains confused about it. Ghagri wants other people to be fooled into thinking that we only have 1 life and thats it. Ghagghri rejects reincarnation because it is as our great scholar "Mr healthy debate Angy" says "Brahmanism". If the Brahmans beleive it then it is an allergy to them.

 

We only have one type of death. That is a physical death where the body dies. The soul cannot die as it is atma. Here again ghagri chele are supporting their cult leader over Gurbani.

I think Taksali  don't teach  that literal meanings are not necessary the actual  meaning. Gurbani is written in poetic form with minimum  number  of words. Also it uses idiomatic and metaphor to explain  something.

The shabad you quoted above literal meaning is same as quoted which is similar to Hindu philosophy.

Gurbani core principle is Here and Now.

Here   ‘ਅੰਤਕਾਲ = Spiritual death .

Actual meaning of shabad will be : When a person earns wealth illegally  and keeps worrying, it rekons he  dies a spiritual death .This spiritual dead person is actually forever living life of a snake

On 10/10/2018 at 1:06 PM, angy15 said:

  @DeNiro, @chatanga1, @Reader

Let  me ask you  do you  accept Akal Takht parvanith "SIKH REHAT MARYADA ".

Yes or No.

Second question related to this forum

Do you agree with Bhai Ranjit Singh Dhadriyanwala proposal of EK SIKH REHAT Maryada.

 

I want all you three please answer .Let us see where you guys stand regarding SRM .

 

@Reader

Please if you can reply this too.

16 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

This Nav deep is the same Nav deep who had affair with a married man and destroyed his family just so she could get permanent residency in the UK. She got pregnant by that man before he was divorced and married her.

Again sick mentality of you and fellow friends.not a single word against foolish donkey instead insulting the lady.

Only way to counter these fools is by ending the taksali/udasi ideology  and giving the young Sikhs proper mainstream education.

Watch this video how taksali treat women.shame on these banarasi thugs.contrack killings , turban removal,disgustting remarks against women.

Seems intoxicated with holy  drink of taksali: bhang

Caution : vulgar words are being used .listen with caution

14 hours ago, Reader said:

Trust me., the fact that you'll tear into Bhai Gurdas Ji's varan and call him a liar is a sign you have no respect for Ucha Gursikhs like him and think you're sarb gyani on Gurmat.

You are for sure frustrated writing so much crab.

I never said he is a liar.i said  some his vaaran might be corrupted by your fellow nirmalas .

As an institution it was taksali who should have been forefront in spreading teaching of gurmat.but they have failed all know they are just bunch of mafias on contract of  political fools and carrying out killing (remember shabil stall) and removing turbans

By Guru grace  the role and responsibilities of teaching gurmat is done by missionaries and they are doing great service to the community

BTW Mr Reader when did you last time did a havan at your place.

If you want I will give u  a discount offer.my friend is a ex student of taksali institutw very proficient in doing havan which he learned.

12 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

Everyone is welcome to use and learn from it. But not everyone will be able to learn from it. That includes Harry Potter and ghaghriwala/missionary parasites.

 

The only effort on my part was to read and understand Gurbani. 

Little goat you have nothing to offer .all you are doing repackaging hindu philosophy and offering to the world.

For you Guru Nanak saying is not important but self created  mystical sayings of your godman is more important.

Every page of your sampridayas,nirmalad  literature is stuffed with vedantic rott.

You have reduced SGGS to mantra chanting manual the fifth Vedas.

This is what you have offered.

46 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

 

In the above video, Sant Gurbachan Singh tells us the differing version of how Guru Sahib got Chajjuu to do arth. Kavi Santolkh Singh version says Guru Sahib did it with his pavitar nazar, and the stick version is recorded by Giani Gian Singh.

Yes  now it's been used by Harry Potter.

So by all chatarangahas  efforts it surely proven that  sikhism  is all abt street magic's tricks .even surpassing hindus

Well done shriman 10008 sant  chatarangahas street magician.

@chatanga1

 This is your real identity and this your Marayada

55 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

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Sikhi way of life is not idea-based. Ideas are just that. Ideas.

You talk about arrogance yet state that the Gurus have based Gurmat on their ideas. Yet Gurbani states that "Whatever has come to me through the Lord, I state it to you O Lalo."  Gurmat is a divine-ordained way of life centered on faith in the Guru. I dont know what honour you perceive yourself to have when you are telling lies about the  Gurus, distorting Gurbani etc.

You call it a privilege to follow what Guru Nanak Dev Ji taught yet omit the Guru's name to translate Guru Ji's words. 

You even dont acknowleded SRM  nor you believe in EK single rehat maraiyda  you belong to snatam Hindu dharam