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  1. You too can run off from the discussion just like him.
  2. I don't know what dhadri might have said but i do definitely know what my Gurus have said abt reciting bhram kavach both in SGGS and Dasam Granth .Let me quote you one shabad from Dasam Granth ਭੂਜੰਗ ਪ੍ਰਯਾਤ ਛੰਦ ॥ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਰਨ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਨ ਅਉਰੈ ਉਪਾਯੰ ॥ ਕਹਾ ਦੇਵ ਦਈਤੰ ਕਹਾ ਰੰਕ ਰਾਯੰ Without coming under His Refuge, there is no other measure for protection, may be a god, demon, pauper or a king. ਬਿਨਾ ਸਰਨ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਨ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਯੰ ॥੭੬॥ May be the Sovereign and may be the courtiers, without coming under His shelter, millions of measures for protection will be useless. 76. ਜਿ
  3. Well it seems some members who were debating "Science conflict with Guru Nanak philosophy did not reply with any evidence how does it? This is my understanding of Concept of God both in terms of Gurbani Science and this also reply to @ chatanga from where this misunderstanding originated. Lets conceptualize the God of Guru Nanak: 1. God was created by itself from Sunn and exists forever 2.Then he created the Nature(Laws of Nature,Laws of Universe) and pervades in it 3.Every action and reaction in the universe and in the living beings is happening under the LA
  4. @Jageera I think You are talking a lot but saying nothing.
  5. Don't get confused we are debating Whether the concept of God as described by Guru Nanak is in conflict with Science?
  6. I am more fascinated abt your above claim .Do you really believe what you wrote. It doen't matter what Dhadri speaks abt. But those who believe in Braham Kavach distrust Guruji bani of SGGS and DG . I have quotedhow Gurbani rejects it.
  7. Mr Jhangeera : I could not find answers to my question in your reply. Let me repharase again to you Do you see any conflict in Guru Nanak's philosophy and Science when it comes to concept of GOD? Why he shouldn't .Hasn't our asks us to use our God given gifts of intelligent discrimantion (Bibek Buddhi) to avoid irrational rituals and superstitions which you guys advocate . Sikhi is faith which encourages to question irrational practices and beliefs in the name of religion.Our Gurus are role model for us.A wonder example is the saakhi of his visit to Haridwar o
  8. Are you really from australia.Your response like this suggests you belong to a remote backward area of a poor under developed country. Using mantras to do things in physics,chemistry,enginerring. what ridiculous justification. How has 10000 of Yugs ,havans and mantras benefited history of India?Not at all .All it gave us is 1000 years of slavery.Fake mantras like Braham Kavach what benefits has it done to sikh community NOTHING.Really you guys are not doing any justice to the name of this forum. Do some research in SGGS and DG and find out how mantra ,jantras are rejected by our G
  9. Look I am not going in for silly argument with you for first two question and this was not in respond to your any query .Its crystal clear what i have said .If You dont understand leave it. Regarding Mool Mantar where does Science conflicts with Mool Mantar? Stephan Hawkins concept of God was "Yes , If by God is meant emboidment of the laws of the universe " t that is similar to concept of Nanak's viewpoint
  10. You believe Science cannot not prove or understand God.(It depends what kind of God you are referring to ) a. So let me know through you What is Nanak definition or understanding of God? b. Why do you believe rationality and Gurbani are not compatible?I believe Sikhi encourages rationality
  11. Thats a good piece of information you have given and I would like to add some more to it . 1. Contextual Analysis :Understanding a passage in the context of the stanza 2. Principle of Gurbani Interpetations: Principles that will help us accrately interperet the shabad of SGGS.These principle are embedded in the SGGS itself.We don't need to go beyound the boundaries of SGGS to determine the meaning of scriptures . As i stated earlier in this discusiion SGGS interpret itself. 3. The Grammatical Principle : involves the study of words meaning ,grammar and synthax for pro
  12. Similarities between Saudi Cleric (in the video ) and Gappi Thakur Both are stand up comedians of their respective faiths having common syllabus
  13. No one(personally I aleast ) is rejecting it all together infact one can find few key historical incidences in the lives of Guru from these Samprdiya texts.But their are many stories recorded in it that cannot pass the test of Gurbani ,Science and logic and these texts has done more harm than good to sikhi . It is very important to do research and critical analysis in this regard to provide authentic Sikh History
  14. Yes one can find terms of Gurbani in Vedaanta but that is different from saying one can find "understanding" in the vedanta. One can find the terms "hardware, mouse,mother,board etc in a 4000 year old dictionary.But the "understanding " that a 21st century computer needs relating to these words cannot be found out in that 4000 year old dictionary . The mouse of 4k old dictionary is not the mouse of the 21st century computer knowledge . Guru Nanak used the words of spirituality of that were prevalent in those or before him but he either (a) redefined them (b) critiqued them.
  15. Its clear from your arguments that your believe Guru Nanak has simply recycled the message already revealed in vedas and associate hindu text there is nothing Nirmal in Nanaks Enlightened Philosophy its just reformed and simplified Sanatana Dharma of medieval times & this is what Sikhi has become a esotreic,mystic ,mantra chanting ,ritualistic religion known as sikhism today . While Guru Nanak was busy challenging the ancient mythology ,cast division and rituals which have their origins in classical hindu texts the irony that after few centuries if we examine the effects of teach
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