Jageera

1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

xtians believe that a human willl only be reborn as a human when the day of judgement comes, as do jews and muslims. Gurmat says that we enter all types of lives, plant, animal and human over and over until we get mukti. Our actions determine future karam and our karams are also affected by past life karams.

Oh ok you were talking about reincarnation. I saw a video online where some hindu swami is saying that once you take human life,you no longer go back to animal rebirths but constant human rebirths.I think it makes sense because if in the past life we were humans and committed sins,we still came back as humans in this life and not animals or plants. And can animals and plants commit karma since they can't think?Just been wondering this.

On 1/14/2019 at 4:01 AM, chatanga1 said:

 

Gurbani is testament to reincarnation in the flesh ie the body dying and then another body being given. 

 

Veerji tried to pm but can't.What do you mean by this?Is this the same concept as 'born again' in xtianity? How do we achieve this in SIkhi?Thanks.

Whatever makes you happy five imran.Have a nice day.Will still await patiently for your new account.

Ok Imran,thanks for playing. Will await patiently for your new account and new provocation threads.

3 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Hey Jageera, keeping well?

Anger hey?  Yeh, it's all normal and many meditators experience it.  I suffered the same but was able to self-analyze once it subsided. 

 Simran is a process that starts with cleaning dirt and gandh layers ingrained on our mind.  I think people have different types reactions depending on the amount of dirt.   Think of it as cleansing toxins or negative energies accumulated on mind. Most of the time we don't know what they are and we subconsciously suppress them.  Our inner subtle body can deal up to certain capacity depending on inner strength or praan energy, but once threshold is reached, then  the toxins get transformed into other forms to be released and got rid of. 

 They convert to various emotions, like rage, anger, worry, fear  lets say, or they can come outwards into physical body and present as ailments.   Many abyasees suffer with mild breakouts of skin rash, heat rash etc.  or even "garam sareer" leading to fungal type infections. 

I used to get the same kind of anger issues and later learned they were  related to my earlier drinking days and suppression of emotions.   Anger is a fire element and it's no wonder that liquor's called "firewater".  It creates a lot of work and heat on the liver, which ends up causing extra work/heat on the heart.  This results in Anger and Anxiety since they stem from fire.  In those days I was in a vicious cycle because as a drinker, I'd get burning desire to go through same cycle of intoxication the next evening.  I used to feel that liquor would quench this thirst and put this inner fire out.  Furthermore, if I didn't get the drink, then I'd be venting out anger and fighting with those around me.      I later realized that I'd been suppressing a lot of emotions with the drink. These were feelings of anger towards people that had hurt me and because I never displayed these to anyone, they led to my own insecurities. I convinced myself I was all  man and macho, and hadn't been hurt, but the reality was different.  

Sorry to ramble a bit here, but the point is that when I started real serious Simran, these suppressed emotions started releasing  every time and would leave me feeling angry and tense a few hours later. Most time's I'd be quite calm and serene, but the smallest factor would trigger sudden episodes of rage.  I responded by going to gurbani and found many shabads on eradicating the BIK(poison) and putting out the burning fires inside with naam and amrit.  It gave me more determination to persevere and stay on the path of gurmat and Simran. I needed to find this naam and amrit, and my journey got more meaning to it.

The more Simran you do, the more answers you'll find within yourself. Gurbani  tells us to peek inside and stand in front of these inner demons, vikaars we have.

I strongly suggest the tips mentioned above by  Dalsingh101 and Das.  I'm a firm believer in the powers of rock salt for absorbing negativities. On a different note;  I was recently advised  by member Lucky to try a Himalayan salt lamp and leave it in the area I do Simran in.  Pleased to say  I've noticed  benefits and it really does balance out the ions in the air as well as the pavan in the ida pingala nadis. 

I am fine ,thanks for the reply.Been 2 months without smoke and drink.I read as much as I can Mool Mantar+Salok everyday.I'm going to get my hands on the Himalayan salt by this week and start the feet soaking.

On 1/12/2019 at 8:06 PM, dalsingh101 said:

I wonder what it is about her that made so many blokes do crazy things around her?

Of course you don't see any wrong it,I wouldn't expect any less from you and your ilk.Why leave SPN to come preach to us under the guise of asking questions? All your interpretations are self made from self proclaimed experts from recent years. As has been said many times before,bring proof of what you claim was practiced back in the old days.

"According to Sikhi, all time and space is part of the Ek or One or 1, thus it can be argued that the idea of a particular time or place being more "divine" than other times or places is not strictly a Gurmat one."

You mean "According to modern missionary movement interpretation of Sikhi."You can't claim to be the sole representative of Sikhi and Gurmat when all your sources are from the 20th and 21th century.

"Does this refer only to 4am in the morning?  I'm not so sure."

Nobody cares whether you are sure or not.I am sure thats for sure. 

"Just out of curiosity, what specifically does Gurbāni have to say about "Amrit Vela"?

Why don't you tell me since you're the one preaching here oh wise one.Enlighten me.

11 hours ago, das said:

Either use Himalayan salt or any other authentic Sea salt. In regards to the purpose, it will help you......I would say "Try it first and there's no harm and see if it helps".........If it helps, then research why and how it helped, there could be lot of reasons ranging from Minerals in the salt, Basic setup of body to Spiritual reasons, Removal of Negative energies etc. etc.......

Ok thanks.Will try and update here the results

On 1/14/2019 at 4:01 AM, chatanga1 said:

 

This fake doctor, is not someone to take any guidance from. He distorts Sikh history and gurbani as and when he can. He has little understanding of Gurmat language.

He also preaches any time can be Amrit vela...even 2pm in the afternoon 

Note on the editor Jesse Schell on page 301 of Davinder Singh Chahal's translation.

So now we need to take religious lessons from an atheist homosexual westerner.Shabase.I always knew that the phais with 'kala engrej' mentality love to bendover to please their western masters but this one takes the cake.He literally bends over for a bondi.

1 hour ago, das said:

Try this BEFORE sitting for paath or simran.

1. Fill a small tub/bucket (so that you can dip your feet covering ankles) of Hot water.
2. Put "Himalayan/Pink Salt" (1 table-spoon)
3. Soak your feet in that water for 15-20 minutes (do NOT exceed 20 minutes and no less than 15 minutes).
4. Now, dry your feet.
5. Get rid of that water by pouring it down the toilet. Flush the toilet.
6. Now, do the Simran and/or Path.

Hopefully, you'll see the difference in first sitting.

Thanks for the reply. What is the purpose of this? Can I use normal cooking salt instead of pink salt?

Nothing is gone and impossible penji.Don't do anything rash.Just consult your panj pyare  first like tva prasad veerji advised.

6 hours ago, jaikaara said:

is your speed very fast ? maybe having an effect on your blood pressure. 

My bp is above average. I wouldn't say very fast,just fast but still intelligible.

I'm just going to stick to veer Dalsinghs technique and breathe in and out while mentally reciting. Started at 5 minutes yesterday. I think i'll maintain at 5 minutes this week and increase by 5mins weekly if all goes well.

Just now, tva prasad said:

I'm sorry. Although I think it is better to take it with your spouse because then you can be at the same stage and you can inspire each other to keep rehit.

I hope vaheguru will soon listen to your prays.

So does it mean if her spouse refuses,she can't take Amrit forever? Any way to go around this?

5 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

I'm an advocate of incrementally building up the time. In any case I think intensity is more important than quantity. Start with 5 minutes and then build it up to 10, then 15, then 20 maybe. If your doing it and enjoying it, when you've finished your  session, add some more to it. 

Remember, you want to pierce through your thoughts. Once you inevitably find yourself drifting, refocus on the sound of syllables of Waheguru. 

A lot of people have some of their most intense experiences when they first start simran. 

Enjoy. And just let go of everything. 

Thanks alot veerji.Will start today itself.

19 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

No brother: 

Inhale through the nose

Exhale through the mouth

 

Keep the tip of your tongue fixed at the point on the palate throughout the simran. 

Ok got it Thanks.Will try it out today.So Ill just keep tongue tip on the end of the palate line behind the teeth.Any duration length you recommend for beginners?

7 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

Try this: Inhale through the nose (slowly and steadily) and say WA - HE (slowly in your mind), hold the breath in for a second or two and then slowly release the breath saying GU - RU (in your mind) - when you exhale the tip of your tongue should be resting on a spot just behindteh back of your teeth. Whilst you are doing this keep your eyes closed and focus your eyes on a point on your temple about an inch above the bridge of your nose. 

REALLY FOCUS on the sound of the four syllables WA HE GU RU (in your mind). 

 

If you're not ready for this yet, you might have to do verbal simran for a bit (as opposed to quietly in your head). 

Thanks for the reply Veerji.So inhale exhale both through the nose. By tongue behind teeth you mean upper gums?On the palate I can feel a line there.Place tongue there?Keep tongue there only when exhale or all the time while Simran?

9 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

 

However I did find slowing it down and focusing on the syllables of Wahe (slow inhale) and then Guru (slow exhale) very helpful. I think we try a few different techniques at the beginning and find what suits us best. 

Thanks for the reply. I was wanting to ask someone about this technique. So you inhale first,say Wahe and then say Guru and exhale? Because I cant inhale and say Wahe at the same time. I will usually breathe in and say Wahe then Guru and breathe out.And when you breathe in, do you take a full deep breath?

14 hours ago, Mooorakh said:

 

 wat I realised is that when we do path it requires a lot of  our energy"Aakhan Aukha Sacha Naam".. we tend to loose patience easily and being mentally tired we react vigorously.  

 

Thanks for the reply.Good explanation.This could most probably be it,mental fatigue.

My first theory when this started to occur was my unclean mind and body was not able to handle the Shakti from the Paath/Simran and was vomiting it out through my emotions.

Now I think suppressed anger and mental fatigue could be the real reason.

19 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

If you start with just a few odd seconds away from the ramblings of the mind in your japing session then you're already actually making progress in disrupting the thoughts (whether you realise this or not). 

By this you mean I should assume that it's my jap thats disrupting my thoughts and not the other way around?So I keep on going and the thoughts will lose and disappear someday?Nice point of view.Never thought of it that way.

19 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

 

Try japping to audios as well. I like this from Dasam Bani for instance. I think it is gentle yet powerful. 

Simran can be any paath/mantra,not Gurmantar Waheguru only? Honestly I cant relate to any prayer audio with western accent,I don't know why. I prefer traditional punjabi recitation.I like something like this.

Thanks for the reply.

No it's not aimed at anyone particular.I agree it could be the withdrawal and years of suppressed anger that I did not deal with and smoked and drank to get over the stress.But the explosion usually happens after prayers.

By Simran I mean just jap'ing Waheguru Waheguru fast continuously.I found that if I did this before reading Japji Sahib and Chaupai Sahib my mind does not wander much and I'm able to focus better.

Let thoughts waft away and disperse.That is the problem.They wont disperse no matter what I do.It's harassing me from inside since the moment I'm awake.

Anyone ever experience this here?After doing any paath or simran I end up with  a lot of anger and blow up over little things.Once I lash out at someone,family member usually,I'm calm again.I notice this anger build up happens after prayers.Am I doing something wrong?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Happy New Year to all members.Wish you all the best for this year.This was the first New Years day where I wasn't drunk or having a hangover.Joining this forum did help a lot in changing me and my resolution this year is to be a better Sikh and person than I was last year.

1 hour ago, Soulfinder said:

They were the freedom fighters of the 80s Sikh Movement to avenge the 1978 Amritsar killing and the post 84 events.

Ok thanks veerji

On 12/21/2018 at 5:54 AM, kdsingh80 said:

Very interesting interview , especially the part that so many kharkoos were just Govt agents

 

What does kharkoo mean veerji?