Jageera

8 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:

Veer ji here is the thread with the links sorry for the missing links

 

Thanks Veerji. Aren't these Namdharis having a cold war between 2 brothers jostling to be 'guru' now?Last I heard they shot dead their former 'gurus' wife.On youtube in 1 of Sant Singh Ji Maskeen's katha I heard him say in moment of trouble and tension in the Panth,Kookays were never with us.

On 12/11/2018 at 2:30 AM, Soulfinder said:

 

Veer ji here is a thread where views are experessed of namdharis by Sri Mann Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale

Where's the thread veerji?

On 12/14/2018 at 1:31 AM, Soulfinder said:

Veer ji first of all mind your language please cos that is Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawale not a "guy" as you wrote.

 

About reincarnation it is present as its written in Sri Sukhmani Sahib and other banis in Guru Granth Granth Sahib Ji as Bhagat Trilochan Ji wrote on at it as well.

 

It seems your a missionary so do leave this site or think before you post thanks.

No point wasting your time with these 'scientists' veerji.These scientists just want to argue and not practice Sikhi.Looks like another young'un from SPN has escaped the asylum and is on a mission to "enlighten"us.

On 12/14/2018 at 12:54 AM, Amit Singh. said:

Im not convinced by that guy's katha cuz sikhs dont have any concept of reincarnation 

Again,look at their arrogance.As if Sant Ji is interested in convincing them.Those who get the message,they practice.Those who want to argue can go fly kites.

On 12/14/2018 at 12:54 AM, Amit Singh. said:

Im not convinced by that guy's katha cuz sikhs dont have any concept of reincarnation 

Hi Amitpal Singh aka Logical Sikh.So you decided to bless both Sikhsangat&Sikhawareness with your superior intellect and knowledge at the same time.

How's things at SPN?Does 'Harry Haller' still wants single Sikh girls to sleep around as much as they want with as many men as they wish?

What about all the other 'scientists' over there?All good?Karminder Singh Dhillon Phd(Boston) 2pm Amritvela working well for you?

12 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Wahguru ji ki fateh

I couldn't help but feel your situation because I know what it's like. I can only tell you what I know from the way I've handled things. Although its a stage of my life that I'm extremely ashamed of, I'm aware of the darkness and difficulties. 

I remember how I'd regret most mornings and promise to not do it again. Sadly, just past afternoon, when i'd be more or less fully sober, I'd fall into a sudden slump of depression. Worried about how I would make it through to the night, I'd be craving and planning my evening liquor session. The anxiety, frustration, and just the plain fear of being sober. Sometimes, it was as if I felt naked without any drink and needed it to cover myself up and be presentable.  My mind would be working full speed to convince me that tonight it would be okay just this once to get rat-assed again.  I went up and down like a yo-yo many times.  Problem was that I was looking to fill this hole that everyone looks for. As manukhs, we tend to fill the hole with 5 vices. When I went to AA meetings and was working on step plans, I found myself spending more time at casinos. Although I wasn't drinking, I was frequenting other naughty places as well as squandering thousands in casinos.  Now, after 20 years, I realize that the "hole" I was looking for was "naam" and because I never found any naam, I just went from drinking on to other vices.  There's people out there addicted to gossip, addicted to tv, addicted to kaam, addicted to violence, addicted to moh of possessions, addicted to moh of relations, lobh of money, lobh of more square feet to own..and so on.  Either way, theire lives get consumed by panj doots unless they become Guru ka sikh and start practicing as guru ka sikh.

What did I do?

- Eventually, I plucked up the courage to start  10,000 mool mantar over 10 days. 1000 /day. This was advised by local gyani and I just took his word for it. He said do it 10 days, no khaana peena, just simple daal roti. Wake at 4am, bathe shower whilst doing Waheguru jap, then sit down cross-legged and do 1000 malas preferably with an extra mala of 108 at the end.  Then wait a few days and start again on Sunday. So it went from Sunday to  Sunday (8 days inclusive) plus Monday and Tuesday week after (10 days), then a break on wed, thu, fri and Saturday to start again on Sunday.  Gyanee told me to go back after a month and see him. When I went back the first time,  the first thing he enquired was whether I had fallen off the wagon and hit the bottle after first 10 days.   But I hadn't, the vegetarian rehat and maintaining of purity on the outside did somehow cleanse my dirty mann from the inside. After 2 months, I changed my life around and started to focus on nitnem and doing simran with techniques my dad had taught me. I've never consumed any liquor since or even had any urges. After all, it was the urges that were eating me in those days.

 I strongly suggest you follow official advice as mentioned by soulfinder veer. I honestly believe the 5 vice salok will be beneficial. I explained before how I found myself switching from one vice to another after I started AA. I truly believe that it's our human nature and the 5 dhoots power to fool us this way.Doing the salok in addition is a vey good idea.   In the end, it's not just about getting off the liquor, it's about a whole new transformation into a newer you.  I remember that during  the second mool mantar japs I found myself with lots of physical energy and started powerlifting and pumping weights that I didn't think were possible for me. Doing this will also be beneficial for you if you start with small weights and combo reps.

  

 

Thanks veerji.Appreciate it.Your response has motivated me even more to start Mool Mantar jaap.1 question.The Mool Mantar jaap you read it out loud or silent in your mind only?How many hours did it take you daily to complete 1000 Mool Mantars?

3 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Yes veer ji thats correct yes. You can do as much jaap as possible here is a screenshot of the salok i made for you.

 

Thanks alot veer ji. 

3 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

 

I must say i like your username jageera as it reminds of me of a film character who i really liked in a movie i saw a while ago.

China Gate?

8 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Veer ji it has must read together like first mool mantar full until nanak hoise be sach then the mentioned salok. Yes its together veer ji.

Thanks Veerji. So it will be Mool Mantar+ Salok Kam Krodh Aru Lob Moh, Binsi Jae Ahanmev, Nanak Prabh Sarnagati, Kari Prasadu Gurudev.

35 minutes ago, angy15 said:

@Jageera

I think You are talking a lot but saying nothing.

 

A lot has been said,a lot has been asked but no answer was received.You are just obfuscating.

38 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:

Veer ji i heard you can do sava lakh jaap of mool mantar combinded with salok kaam krodh aur lobh moh binas jih anmhev from 6th sukhmani sahib ashtpadi the salok.

 

As addication could be part of the 5 vices so maybe this could help as i just doing guess work as gyani thakur singh mentioned it in his katha.

 

I have been on youtube looking for sikhi videos on addication but they seem be just more talking about their experinces rather than giving tips how to stop or go through cold turkey.

 

But yes use youtube google as they everyones best friend for everything and anything as you will get tips on how to cope without alchool smoking and cold turkey feeling.

Thanks veerji.Appreciate the answer.So you mean read mool mantar and the salok together?Or must it be done separate?

4 hours ago, angy15 said:

 

Why he shouldn't .Hasn't our asks us to use our God given gifts of intelligent discrimantion (Bibek Buddhi) to avoid irrational rituals and superstitions which you guys advocate .

Who is 'you guys'?So,Someone disagrees with you and you group him with your other imaginary enemies?I didn't state any views here favouring any side. What I disagree with is with the disrespect shown by you missionary types towards the Gurus names and names of the Baniya.After that you were exhibiting elitist wanna be white man behaviour by putting down tva prasad and I seriously hate these type of crab mentality attitude.You put down your own and brown nose outsiders.Pathetic.

3 hours ago, angy15 said:

Don't get confused we  are debating Whether the concept of God as described by Guru Nanak is in conflict  with Science?

You people talk about science so much yet you cant answer what has your movement contributed or changed on present day Sikhi?What is your game plan?What would be the end result?Are you guys busy assembling a nuclear warhead under your missionary college?Since I assume all of you must be top notch scientists.Talking about nuclear physicists,I came across a youtube of an Inder Ghagga in Canada(i think).

Was giving a Q&A session and 1 of the question was 'is it ok if someone doesn't believe in God but is a good human being'? And the answer was 'It's OK no problem as long as they are a good person'. So in conclusion,Fitte mu to this Inder and double Fitte mu to his audience for clapping hands at his pathetic answer.Tell me which religious parcharak would ever mention that being godless is no problem?

And tell me which audience that has come for religious lessons would ever ask such a dumb question? That video told me alot of missionary preachers and much more about their audiences.These types are attempting to turn this Religion into a social club thats inclusive to all sorts of degeneracy.

8 hours ago, angy15 said:

How  has 10000 of  Yugs ,havans and mantras benefited history of India?Not at all .All it gave us is 1000 years of slavery.Fake mantras  like Braham Kavach  what benefits has it done to sikh community  NOTHING.Really you guys are not doing any justice to the name of this forum. Do some research in SGGS  and DG and find out how mantra ,jantras are rejected by our Gurus

Using your logic one could argue what is the point of reading SGGS,keeping Keshdari,5K,Nitnem,abstaining intoxicants etc for the past 300years since we were still hunted by the Mughals,bashed by the British,bashed by the pakis in 47,bashed by the hindus in 84 etc? Get ready because it looks like what you guys are preaching is going to lead to these types of questions being raised.

I respect atheist communist terrorists more than you cowards.At least they were open with their belief and sang socialist songs all the way to the gallows here.They did not try to use a religion and subvert it to fit their own atheist narrative.

2 hours ago, angy15 said:

Mr Jhangeera : I could not find answers to my question in your reply. Let me repharase again to you

Do you see any conflict in Guru Nanak's philosophy and Science when it comes to concept of GOD?

Mr.Angy15,you were quoting Hawkings and you stated it was similar to Guru Nanaks viewpoint.I disagree that an atheist could have the same viewpoint as Our great Guru.Hawkings couldn't prevent himself from being abused by his own nurse,what 'God' could he have possibly known?So yes I see a huge conflict between Hawkings definition of the concept of God and Guru Nanaks God.For Hawkings it is just a concept but for Guru Nanak Akal Purakh is Aad Sach,Jugad Sach,Hai Bhi Sach.

2 hours ago, angy15 said:

In Kritan Sohlia out Guru sees all of nature constantly doing aaarthi and glorifying God.

 

Kirtan Sohila.Again,more passive aggressiveness from you.If I were your handler or upline I would have dismissed you a long time ago as instead of bringing people to your cause and ideology your behaviour actively repulses and chases people away.Oh yeah,what I wanted to say was if you used this "Guru sees all of nature constantly doing aaarthi and glorifying God" answer in any science paper I guarantee you 100% you will fail as it has nothing at all to do with science.

1 hour ago, angy15 said:

 Are you really from australia.Your response like this suggests you  belong to a remote backward area of a poor under developed country.  Using mantras to do things in physics,chemistry,enginerring. what ridiculous justification.

Are you really a Punjabi Sikh?You sound like brown man with white backside,totally self hating slave mentality.I don't see anything backwards with tva prasads beliefs.Reading this thread it has dawned on me that you are the backwards fallen one with no faith.

1 hour ago, angy15 said:

How  has 10000 of  Yugs ,havans and mantras benefited history of India?Not at all .All it gave us is 1000 years of slavery.Fake mantras  like Braham Kavach  what benefits has it done to sikh community  NOTHING.Really you guys are not doing any justice to the name of this forum. Do some research in SGGS  and DG and find out how mantra ,jantras are rejected by our Gurus

And pray tell how is the system being pushed by you people going to change anything?What has your type of beliefs contributed to the panth?Any tangible results?You guys are just able to exist on the fringes of Sikhi just like a parasite with a minimal following.Tell me if anyone wanted to learn science they would obviously go get educated in a University.Why does Sikhi have to be scientific?I cant understand your faithless thought system.Like harry haller,I believe you too think Sikhi is a "secular religion"?

1 hour ago, angy15 said:

Look  I am not going in for silly argument with you for first two question and this was not in respond to your any query  .Its crystal clear what i have said .If You dont understand leave it.

Regarding Mool Mantar  where does Science  conflicts with  Mool Mantar?

Stephan Hawkins concept of God was

"Yes , If by God is meant emboidment of the laws of the universe " t

that is  similar to concept of Nanak's viewpoint

 

 

 

 

 

Would it kill you to type Guru Nanak?Are you Harry Haller from SPN?You type like it.Subtle provocations.The hallmark of an atheist provocateur.

Hawking was an atheist.How could Guru Nanak's viewpoint be as same as his?And how do you know exactly what was Guru Nanaks viewpoint?

11 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Have you managed to cut these things down from time to time? 

I have quit a few times in the past but started again.Now I'm giving it another try cold turkey.I have heard people do certain paaths etc also too to quit all this,just curious to know more on that part.

16 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

On 11/15/2018 at 1:31 AM, Jageera said:

 

I haven't battled myself, but seen a few guys go through it. What are we talking about here? Class A stuff? 

Thanks for the reply.Not Narcotics.

It's Alcohol&Tobacco use for over 15 years.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Any members here have battled addiction before?Other than abstaining,finding a new crowd to mix with,exercising etc, did you use any spiritual method to help you abstain and quit intoxicants?Any specific Shabads,Paaths used?Appreciate any feedback.Thanks.

6 hours ago, paapiman said:

You can shower your hair daily, if you want. In Prachin Panth Prakash, it is written that you can wash your hair every fourth day.

IMHO, you can leave the wet hair untied*, but make sure that the head is covered while doing the Jaap.

* - Request to members - If there is any injunction in the Rehatname against it, please do share. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Ok thanks.

https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2017/11/17/pictures-emerge-showing-japanese-troops-using-sikh-pows-practice-targets

14 hours ago, paapiman said:

The ideal situation would be to do them at Amritvela, after taking a shower. 

If this cannot be done, then make sure you do 180 malas, starting from the day after a Pooranmashi and completing the count before the next Pooranmashi.  

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Last question ji,

Amritvela, do you shower your hair? If yes do you use a hair dryer then? Since, as I understand we need to keep our heads covered while doing jap/paath.

Or,is it acceptable to leave the wet hair untied while doing jap/paath? Thank you.

13 hours ago, paapiman said:

Please read below:

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Fasting

The Vedas state that as full moon and no moon may have some influence on the human body this is exactly why on these days people are told to fast and this will ensure that the acidic content in their blood is reduced. Doing puja on a no moon and full moon day can also ensure that the people attain peace of mind and become calm. The vedas stated that the change in the shape of moon leads to the change in the gravitational pull that every man in earth experiences. This is exactly why people tend to behave weird and short tempered don this day. If they stay involved in puja then they may not feel this change. Even modern medical science will tell you that this theory is not exactly false. People who suffer from mental disorder tend to become more excited on Amavasya and Poornima. It is good to find scientific explanation about our traditions it makes us belive in them more.

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[1] - http://www.metaphysics-knowledge.com/miscellaneous/importance-of-amavasya-and-poornima.html/

 

Bhul chuk maaf

OK thanks.

What about the prayer list on the 1st page? EG if I choose to do mool mantar 6 malas daily for 30 days,is there any specific maryada etc to follow or can I just sit and read as usual?

Paapiman ji what is the benefits or significance of Pooranmashi?

The prayer list on the first page, we can choose one of those and perform it? Eg. Mool mantar. Just 6 malas daily for 30days? And what was written in the book about the benefits of such amount of prayers. Thanks.

Anyone free to translate the gist of full length of Moolmantar & how to do its Japa?Thanks.

1 hour ago, dalsingh101 said:

No, feet.

Ok thanks.