Balbir Singh

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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!

You wrote "I am pretty sure the voice is not of Baba hari isngh randhawawale as claimed by you in another thread..Please provide the source so that we can hear full recording."

Have you stopped recognizing his voice?

It is around 300 years back when the reverend Guru left their body. Since then, your Baabaas were regularly working to pollute the minds of simple heart people.

After such long slavery the complete freedom cannot be tasted on the first day.

Please let me know if you cannot find this lecture on Internet. Perhaps his PR company has removed it. I can send it to the moderator of this forum to download.

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Sant Baabaa Jee seems to be worried about 'nuksaan'. Whose nuksaan he is talking about?

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Sant Baabaa Jee also said 'mera Sikh jado baanee parhe ode andar naam apne aap andar naam parvesh kardaa jaae . . . '

Since when the Sikh is of this Baabaa.

Also, I have not found one instant where Gurdev describes that way of Naam Parvesh.

Balbir Singh

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Dear all!

For more than two hundred years the reverend Gurus served God's Hukam in their living bodies.

God's message is to do Naam Simran.

Their wisdom got lost and a business called Sikhism started flourishing. The modern preachers are spreading today the totally opposite message.

It is strange that they are earning throne, name, respect and fame for this.

Please listen to the file attached and find it yourself.

what_is_naam2.mp3

Balbir Singh

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Dear all and Ekta Jee!

I can understand your concern.

This is a part from the discourse given by Sant Hari Singh Randhawa Jee. Its title is 'Raj Karega Khalsa'. It is in a mp3 format.

I downloaded it from Internet and lately got a chance to hear it. The part I have sent as attached file begins after twentieth minute.

Balbir Singh

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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!

Quote "Let us know what is your understanding of meaning of Avatr. I have asked it earlier also."

God has created all from a part of HIM. All are His Avtaars.

Paapee and Punnee, all get Avtaar many times.

Only those get Muktee whom HE wants.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib mentions the word Avtaar in many forms.

Quote "It is possible that these names were prevalent in India before and hindu devtas haev copied these names later?"

Firstly came God's Will in existence then the trinity and rest of the world.

God's Names are his 'Kirtam' Naams because they work in a particular way. They existed before any so-called religion came in existence.

This was supposed to be published in a book form. Your love has forced me to answer today.

Balbir Singh

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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!

You wrote "The message of sikh gurus is that they do not support the avtar concept . . ."

Did the reverend Gurus deny once the existence of Avtaar?

Without getting Avtaar as Manukh (human being) how is it possible to receive true Naam and liberation?

Quote "The message of sikh gurus is that they do not support the avtar concept of Hinduism."

Avtaars were coming on earth also before Hinduism.

Quote "In Hinduism avtars are considerd as absolute Gods."

I do not know if some Hindus are ignorant but why Sikhs are wasting life to prove it.

Quote "The sikhism does not support that.So those who say that Dasam granth promotes Devtas are misguided persons."

Unwitting preachers may produce wrong translations but they cannot change the original statements of the Gurus.

Please ponder. Why the reverend Gurus have used so often names which you consider as Hindu Devis and Devtas?

Better long for the state where also the Jeev can praise those Names whom you call Hindu Devtas.

Balbir Singh

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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!

Quote "God resides in all of us. So he resided in Vishnu also."

Quote "When all is said that includes all of us. Vishnu is no special."

Have I understood it correctly?

God is special. But when HE resides in Vishnu, Vishnu is no special.

Did any of the reverend Gurus also say that Vishnu is no special?

Balbir Singh

God resides in all of us. So he resided in Vishnu also.

Is God not residing in Vishnu at present?

What about if Vishnu is a Hindu?

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Dear all!

Suppose the mind has understood everything. Does God comes to congratulate the clever Jeev?

Siv is Siv. Those who have found different Siv need to know ONE Siv.

It is better to forget the different translations and beg for One Naam.

Only One Naam leads to all consciousness.

Without True Naam it is not possible to experience wisdom of one word from Gurdev, what to say about one Vaak.

Balbir Singh

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Dear Khalsa Fauj Jee!

Please feel welcome and in harmony with other participants here. Let us felicitate great Kaal (Time) in blessed Satsangs.

Singh2 Jee is a dedicated Sikh and I am thankful to him for his way of participating on this forum.

Good Satsangs help us recognize our thirst to know Truth. Knowing Truth is possible through true Naam Simran.

Let us prepare for that.

Thanks.

Balbir Singh

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Dear all and Shaheediyan Jee!

The reverend Gurus are today also giving the message of Naam Jap.

Please contemplate. Guru Amardaas Jee is singing.

ਕਿਸੁ ਹਉ ਸੇਵੀ ਕਿਆ ਜਪੁ ਕਰੀ ਸਤਗੁਰ ਪੂਛਉ ਜਾਇ ॥

किसु हउ सेवी किआ जपु करी सतगुर पूछउ जाइ ॥

kisu hau sayvee kiaa japu karee satgur poochhao jaai. SGGS Ang 34

Your reverend preachers also you are but suggesting to read such messages repeatedly. And Naam Jap is done. Why?

Please click the attachment and listen.

Balbir Singh

Thanks. It is pleasing to read this post.

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Dear all!

I would like to meet a living being who has not experienced any charitra of Triya.

Balbir Singh

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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!

You wrote "Balbir singh how many translations you will distort?"

I say what Gurdev explains me. Let Gurdev speak to you also directly.

Please be happy with your translations and live long on earth.

Quote "These avtars were formvishnu."

Thanks for your information. Are they still living?

May I ask why HE is called Vishnu?

Quote "See Guru ji writes about Vishnu"

You referred Gurdev. Vishnu is a part of the immanent Lord's Body.

Is God's Body to contemplate or finding it helpless?

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Followers of a religion are as much disoriented as their preachers and translators.

Balbir Singh

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Dear Singh2 Jee!

Thanks for referring the wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev.

ਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਭਰਮੇ ਭਵ ਰਾਯੰ ॥

सभ ही जग भरमे भव रायं ॥

sabh hee jag bharme bhav raayaM.

All the worlds move in illusion, the activity King.

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਕਹਾਯੰ ॥੭॥

ता ते नाम बिअंत कहायं ॥७॥

Taa te naam biant kahaayaM.

Hence Name Infinite is said.

It was just a drop of water. Please pour some more.

Balbir Singh

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Dear all!

Here is only God or His activity.

There is nothing.

Mahaakaal is HIS Activity.

It does not have a meaning.

Meaning is mind's deviation.

That gives false satisfaction.

Balbir Singh

Rabjee jad sfurnaa dende aa khaad paaNee puvaa lainde ne. bageeche vee ona de, te bageeche vich aavaN vaale vee oh aap.

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Dear all and Shaheediyan Jee!

You wrote "One who has Satsang with blind people, himself becomes blind . . ."

Is it the contagious decease?

Quote " . . . thus is not a very clever man,"

When blind people become clever?

Quote "unless that is... he is a Dehdari Guru, in which case he can give sight back to the blind!"

Please announce his particulars in case you have come to know one and oblige.

Quote "Why are you playing off reading and learning form Gurbani against experiencing, understanding and living it?"

Only idiots need and read instructions repeatedly. And the preacher's business flourishes.

Eat a mango once and come to know if it is important to read instructions several times. Eat mango and sing its praise.

Balbir Singh

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Dear all!

I have a curiosity.

Gurdev is singing in Chaubees Avtaar.

ਜੋ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥

Jo chaubees avtaar kahaae||

Those who are called twenty-four incarnations;

ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਨਕ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥

Tin bhitum Prabh tanak na paae||

O Lord ! they even could not realise thee in a small measure;

Why is it so that none of the twenty-four Avtaars realize Lord in a small measure?

Balbir Singh

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Dear all and Singh2 Jee

You wrote "Balbir ji I know who you are."

God knows him too.

Are you still interested in 'Chaubees Avtaar'?

Quote "Let me tell you frankly You are here to defend Hindutva ideology."

I am not sure if I am capable to do so. Hindutva also Sikhatva is left behind a long back.

Quote "You are not a sikh."

Some time back Sikhs were giving titles to themselves. We are not Hindu.

Strange, Sikhs are now giving titles to human beings. You are not a Sikh.

Is that the way to produce rarity among Sikhs and feel precious?

Quote "Had you been a sikh the following would have satisfied."

Jeev is not aware of his breath but others should move according to his wish.

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Quote from Mithar Jee "So you are impressed by the famous Kala Afghanist Inder Sinh Ghagha?"

Teaching Hinduism to Sikhs is a great art, that also in Gurdwaaraas.

He seems to be a very confident person. He defies even reverend Guru's Statement.

Balbir Singh

Who told you this? What is SGGS ji then?

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Dear Singh2 Jee!

Sri Guru Granth Sahib is transmitting this message constantly. It was confirmed after getting tuned with the right sender.

Thanks to God's Kirpaa, the Radio, time, fate and all that I am not able to express in words that played its role.

There is a big difference between receiving Gur through BaaNee and read the written message about this Truth by the reverend Gurus.

BaNeeai and PaReeai are two different acts.

Please listen. Guru Raam Daas Jee is singing.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਤਿ ਸਰੂਪੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਬਣੀਐ ॥

सतिगुर की बाणी सति सरूपु है गुरबाणी बणीऐ ॥

Satigur kee baaNee sati saroopu hai gurbaaNee baNeeai.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਰੀਸੈ ਹੋਰਿ ਕਚੁ ਪਿਚੁ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਸੇ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ਕੂੜੇ ਝੜਿ ਪੜੀਐ ॥

सतिगुर की रीसै होरि कचु पिचु बोलदे से कूड़िआर कूड़े झड़ि पड़ीऐ ॥

Satigur kee reesai hori kachu pichu bolde se kooRiaar kooRe jhaRi paReeai. SGGS Ang 304

Balbir Singh

Bani is bani whether spoken orally or preserved in written form. It does not affect the status of bani.

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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!

The status of written experiences on paper is something else than the wisdom (Gur) of speech.

Reverend Gurus have written so much praise of Gur BaaNee but never that of printed or written paper. Why?

Please ponder.

Balbir Singh

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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!

Please ask me something easy. I am not an expert on Hindu Religion. I have heard Inder Singh Ghagga, a Canadian person. He has studied a lot about Hindu Religion. He gives long lectures on Hindu values. Such Sikhs are working hard to convince others with Hindu values. A friend told me that in some Gurdwaras Sikh Sangat enjoys his lectures on Hinduism and also pays him some money for it.

I am born Sikh and love to have Satsangs about true Sikh values with everyone. A true Sikh, in my view, is a pure human being.

We may talk about Avtaars in the future when you feel they are also God's Folk.

Balbir Singh

It is not moorati. it is Moorat. . For me there is no difference. What do you think

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Dear Singh2 Jee!

Please read Guru Granth Sahib Jee again.

Is the word 'Moorati' with sihaaree or without sihaaree?

Balbir Singh

ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਰਤੀ ਜਗ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਇਸੁ ਬਾਣੀ ਤੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਾਇਦਾ

Gurbani vartee jag antar is Bani te Hari Naam paayidaa

Ang 1066, SGGS ji

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Dear Singh2 Jee!

I am so grateful for the reference you have given from Guru Amardaas Jee.

BaaNee is the speech, not the printed paper. This can be only experienced when one is blessed with the Gur (Wisdom).

Balbir Singh

Read the answer below. trinity itself is there.

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

चौपई ॥

CHAUPAI

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਦਿਕ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਪਚਹਾਰੇ ॥

ब्रहमादिक सभ ही पचहारे ॥

Brahma and others have got tired in knowing Thy end;

ਬਿਸਨ ਮਹੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਕਉਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੇ ॥

बिसन महेस्वर कउन बिचारे ॥

Who are the helpless gods Vishnu and Shiva?

ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ ॥

चंद सूर जिनि करे बिचारा ॥

The sun and moon also meditate on Thee;

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਜਨੀਯਤ ਹੈ ਕਰਤਾਰਾ ॥੧੪॥

ता ते जनीयत है करतारा ॥१४॥

Therefore Thou art known as the Creator.14

Chaubis avtar, dasam granth

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Dear Singh2 Jee!

Guru Naanak Dev Jee used the word 'Akaal Moorati'. Guru Gobind Singh Jee used the word 'Akaal Purakh'.

Are 'Moorati' and 'Purakh' expressing the same?

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Thanks for referring the Chaupai.

Please explain. Why the word 'bichaare' means helpless gods in one Vaak and 'bichaaraa' means meditate on Thee in the next Vaak?

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Hearty Thanks for referring to the Dohra.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੀ ਦੇਹਿ ਮੋ ਕੋਟਿਕ ਬਿਸਨ ਮਹੇਸ ॥

काल पुरख की देहि मो कोटिक बिसन महेस ॥

In the body of the Immanent Lord, million of Vishnus and Shivas abide.

ਕੋਟਿ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਵਿ ਸਸਿ ਕ੍ਰੋਰ ਜਲੇਸ ॥੧॥

कोटि इंद्र ब्रहमा किते रवि ससि क्रोर जलेस ॥१॥

Million of Indras, Brahmas, Suryas, Chandras and Varunas are present thre in His divine body.1.

(Vishnu avtar, Chaubis avtar, Dasam Granth)

Millions of Vishnus, Shivas, Indra, Brahma, Suns, Moons and Jales are in the body of the Immanent Lord.

Please ponder. Is God different from HIS Body?

Balbir Singh