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playtluthansasrikaal!
Was this Seekher one of your imaginary disciples? I wonder what he would have done had he opened his eyes and seen this divine image on his pet dog's ass before him:
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Kaljug Jee also wrote "When I was in my teens I took an heroic dose of psilocybin cubensis (magic mushrooms for the unintiated) and had the experience of being everything, everywhere, at all times."
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Kaljug Jee!
God may liberate you from the parent part and help you grow from the last magic mushroom also, with or without Devee's Darshan.
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Dear all!
A friend has placed his savings box in front of the computer monitor. Every time he watches spiritual messages that trigger his feelings, he puts some money from his earning in the box. This money he uses to help the needy spontaneously coming across the daily life.
My curiosity is to know. Is YouTube becoming new Sikh Gurdwara?
Balbir Singh
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ਐਸ ਪਿਆਸੇ ਨੂੰ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਜਰੂਰ ਦਿੳ। ਲਾਲਾਂ ਗਿੱਟਿਆਂ ਤੱਕ ਆਈਆਂ।
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Dear all and Laal Singh Jee!
A Seekher desired to meet PaarBrahm. He closed his eyes to begin the journey. A friend, his mind, accompanying him while traveling asked "are you tired?" He answered "No. I am trying to find out how God looks like."
The friend became curious "Can you recognize God with closed eyes?"
"On the way I do not want Darshan of any Devee." The Seekher replied.
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I also watch koti Seekhers doing mardan to HIM.
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Laal Singh, don't feel bad if again somebody is before you.
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Harjas Kaur Jee!
Thanks for your post and link to the YouTube film.
Balbir Singh
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Harjas Kaur Jee!
Devee Jee, Do you give Darshan, on YouTube etc., or just write.
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Dear all and Harjas Kaur Jee!
Thanks for the informative link from Internet.
Your explanation is beautiful.
May I ask why it uses expressions like "I'm thinking it may have to do with pronunciation purposes . . ." and "Perhaps it is emphasizing . . . ? "
Is it enough for mind to collect information about God? When it becomes possible to experience Truth that is both Naraayan and Naaraayan?
My curiosity is to know. Is HE the different Naaraayana who moves in the infinite Agni and infinite Aakaasha?
Balbir Singh
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ਜਾਚੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦੰ ਨਹ ਬਿਸਰੰਤਿ ਨਹ ਬਿਸਰੰਤਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣਹ ॥੨੧॥
jaachanth naanak kirapaal prasaadhan neh bisaranth neh bisaranth naaraaeineh ||21||
Nanak begs for this blessing from the Merciful Lord, that he may never forget Him, never forget Him.
~SGGS Ji ang 1356
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Dear all and Harjas Kaur Jee!
True Gurdev's Vaaks are always instigating Truth.
But preachers never guide us how to remember and never forget NaaraaiNah. Why?
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Singh2 Jee!
Thanks for the wonderful Vaaks from The Dasam Granth.
ਜਿਨ ਮਨ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਨਨ ਠਹਿਰਾਯੋ ॥ ਸੋ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਨ ਕੇ ਰਾਹ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥੧੮॥जिन मन हरि चरनन ठहिरायो ॥ सो सिम्रितन के राह न आयो ॥१८॥
Those who devoted themselves to the Feet of the Lord, they did not adopt the path of the Smritis.18.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਚਾਰ ਹੀ ਬੇਦ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਕ ਤਿਹ ਕਰਮ ਚਲਾਏ ॥
ब्रहमा चार ही बेद बनाए ॥ सरब लोक तिह करम चलाए ॥
Brahma composed all the four Vedas, all the people followed the injunctions contained in them.
ਜਿਨ ਕੀ ਲਿਵ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਨਨ ਲਾਗੀ ॥ ਤੇ ਬੇਦਨ ਤੇ ਭਏ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥੧੯॥
जिन की लिव हरि चरनन लागी ॥ ते बेदन ते भए तिआगी ॥१९॥
Those who were devoted to the Feet of the Lord, they abandoned the Vedas.19.
ਜਿਨ ਮਤਿ ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬਨ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੇ ਭਏ ਅਨੁਰਾਗੀ ॥
जिन मति बेद कतेबन तिआगी ॥ पारब्रहम के भए अनुरागी ॥
Those who abandoned the path of the Vedas and Katebs, they became the devotees of the Lord.
May I ask when the true seeker's Liv is fixed in the Feet of Hari? Many are waiting for Liv while repeating 'Waaheguru'. What happens with Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee then?
Balbir Singh
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Thanks for sharing your experiences. God! Please bless Harjas all life in harmony with HIM and HER.
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Sat sri akal
because it is written by poet shyam.
sat sri akal
But the translator is saying poet Raam. Whom should the reader trust?
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I recommend you go speak to Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowal about your views. I would be interested in hearing what he says.
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Dear all and Xylitol Jee!
Thanks for your suggestion. Please convey my Satsriakaal to him. You may speak to him on Rest.
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Kaljug Jee!
Does manaau means adore?
May I ask why have you not translated the last part of this Vaak?
You wrote "I do not adore Ganesha in the beginning . . . "
May I ask when then if not in the beginning?
Quote " . . . and also do not mediatate on Krishna and Vishnu;"
But Gurdev often suggests meditating on Hari.
Quote "I have only heard about them with my ears and I do not recognize them."
First Naam is heard. They do not have recognition.
ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੀ ਮੋਰੀ ਪਗ ਇਨ ਸੋਂ ॥੪੩੪॥
Liv laagee moree pag in saon.
Through ears listen. And liv laagee moree in their feet.
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Singh2 Jee!
You wrote "Sikhism reject above teachings."
Sick preachers are producing fools.
True Sikhi is all about accepting not rejecting. What one can reject when he has accepted God's Hukam?
Thanks for referring the wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev. We may get a chance to have Satsang on it.
In my view, the translations you have provided are misleading. The true seeker is not longing for such matters. True Seeker is thirsty and needs Raam Ras. It may not be possible if the Seeker gets convinced by your translation "Ram and Rahim whose names you are uttering cant save you."
Balbir Singh
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Dear all and Ds123 Jee!
You wrote "what does narayan mean when its broken down?"
Naraayan is the Sustainer. HE maintains the worlds. What brought you to break it down?
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Dear all and Kaljug Jee!
Thanks for quoting Guru Gobind Singh Jee's Vaak.
ਮੈ ਨ ਗਨੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਮਨਾਊਂ ॥ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹ ਧਿਆਊਂ ॥ਕਾਨ ਸੁਨੇ ਪਹਿਚਾਨ ਨ ਤਿਨ ਸੋਂ ॥ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੀ ਮੋਰੀ ਪਗ ਇਨ ਸੋਂ ॥੪੩੪॥
Please explain that you have understood from the above.
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I had a curiosity to know the answer that came in my mind after reading it.
You may read it by clicking the link below.
http://www.saysatsriakal.com/persuading-ganesha.htm
It would be great to hear a convincing explanation of it from you or any mastermind professor.
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Harjas Kaur Jee!
Thanks for not taking it as critic.
Balbir Singh
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Please ponder. Guru Arjan Dev Jee is singing.
ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਨਰਾਇਣ ॥
नाराइण साधसंगि नराइण ॥
Nārā▫iṇ sāḏẖsang narā▫iṇ. SGGS 868
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Dear all and Harjas Kaur Jee!
You wrote "But that is not coming from Guruji. That is coming from Hindu scriptures own teaching."
In my view, the correct version may be this. "Truth that is coming from Guru Jee, the same Truth is also coming from enlightened Rishis. One can understand it according to his conscious mind as written in Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee and ancient scriptures."
Truth and the source of it are the same for all.
Balbir Singh
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Dear all and The Khalsa Fauj Jee!
Is Naraayan the same thing as Naaraayan also when those occur in the same Vaak?
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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!
Thanks for quoting the wonderful Vaaks from The Dasam Granth.
You have again provided borrowed translations with the original Vaaks from Gurdev.
The enlightened Gurus suggest doing Japu. They never suggest doing Tap that also imitating austerities.
ਕਾਹੇ ਕੋ ਕੂਰ ਕਰੈ ਤਪਸਾ ਇਨ ਕੀ ਕੋਊ ਕੌਡੀ ਕੇ ਕਾਮ ਨ ਐਹੈ ॥
काहे को कूर करै तपसा इन की कोऊ कौडी के काम न ऐहै ॥
Why to do false Tap like them, nothing brings in gain of a cowrie.
ਤੋਹਿ ਬਚਾਇ ਸਕੈ ਕਹੁ ਕੈਸੇ ਕੈ ਆਪਨ ਘਾਵ ਬਚਾਇ ਨ ਐਹੈ ॥
तोहि बचाइ सकै कहु कैसे कै आपन घाव बचाइ न ऐहै ॥
How can someone save you, own wounds are not saved by them.
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I have a curiosity. Please answer it.
Gurdev is proving here again that He did have Darshan of Krisan, Bisan, Raam, Raheem and Brahma japping their Mantra. Is it not so? Without their Darshan, how can someone write about them?
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Dear all!
Gurdev has Darshan of Devee Durgaa.
A translator explained true Guru's Vaak.
ਦੁਰਗਾ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਮਰਦਨੁ ਕਰੈ ॥
दुरगा कोटि जा कै मरदनु करै ॥
durgaa koti jaa kai mardan karai. SGGS 1162
Such is he, whose feet millions of goddesses shampoo.
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The reverend Gurus also have Darshan of Devaas, the one from this world and from the Devaa beyond also.
Guru Raamdaas Jee is singing.
ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਸੰਤ ਮਿਲਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਦੇਵਾ ਜੋ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਮੁਖਿ ਚਉਦਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥
हरि के संत मिलहु मनु देवा जो गुरबाणी मुखि चउदा जीउ ॥२॥
Hari ke sant milahu manu devaa jo gurbaaNee chaudaa jeeo. SGGS 95
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Guru Arjan Dev Jee is singing.
ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਅਪਰੰਪਰ ਦੇਵਾ ॥
पारब्रहम अपर्मपर देवा ॥
Paarbrahma Aprampara Devaa. SGGS 98
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These are my prayers today. God! There may be many dumb dummies around. You have a big choice though. Please give Your Darshan as Devee Devaa.
Thanks for listening.
Balbir Singh
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Dear all!
Naraayan ਨਰਾਇਣ and Naaraayan ਨਾਰਾਇਣ both occur in Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. Can someone please explain the meaning and difference of these two words? I will be grateful.
Balbir Singh
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Dear all and Kaljug Jee!
You wrote "Your 'God' needs to take basic santhiya."
I have conveyed your desire in prayers.
God replied "Kaljug's santhiyas are to hold fast in Kalijug. They are learning to pronounce it correctly."
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Dear all and PAL 07 Jee!
Blessed are Human Avtaars who come to know Hari Naam Simran in spite of receiving birth in a dumb dummy's tabbar.
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Dear Singh2 Jee!
I hope you remember the result of preaching wrong translations as in the case of Professor Darshan Singh Jee Raagee.
Experiencing one word from Gurdev is not possible without true Jap, what to say about a complete Vaak.
Thanks for referring true Guru's Vaaks in original also. This is the truth through these Vaaks as God is explaining it to me.
ਮਹਾ ਮਾਈ ਕੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰੈ ॥
mahaa maa-ee kee poojaa karai.
Mahaa Maaee's pooja does.
ਨਰ ਸੈ ਨਾਰਿ ਹੋਇ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥੩॥
nar sai naar ho-ay a-utarai. ||3||
From Nar becoming Naari liberates.
ਤੂ ਕਹੀਅਤ ਹੀ ਆਦਿ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥
too kahee-at hee aad bhavaanee.
You by narrating Aadi Bhavaanee.
ਮੁਕਤਿ ਕੀ ਬਰੀਆ ਕਹਾ ਛਪਾਨੀ ॥੪॥
mukat kee baree-aa kahaa chhapaanee. ||4||
The technic of liberation where is hiding.
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Harjas Kaur Jee!
Hearty thanks for your posts. Godly tastes from the deep memory came up.
Balbir Singh
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Dear all and PAL 07 Jee!
You want to teach. "BRAHMGYANI KO KOJEH MAHESUR - The Devtas are forever looking for the darshan and seva of Mahapursh naam abysises."
Does MAHESUR means the Devtas, BRAHMGYANI means Mahapursh naam abysises and KOJEH means forever looking for the darshan and seva of?
Also, please provide the reference of your conclusion "In fact a true khalsa is much greater than devtas."
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Singh2 Jee!
Thanks for the great references.
The translations and their followers are the result of today's Sikhi. All the provided translations of the referred Vaaks, in my view, are not correct.
We may discuss any Vaak of your choice.
The translation of the first Vaak you referred is this, in my view.
Please ponder the following.
ਅਨਹਦ ਰੂਪ ਅਨਾਹਦ ਬਾਨੀ ॥
अनहद रूप अनाहद बानी ॥
Limitless entity unbroken speech.
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Please accompany me in Satsang if the matter interests you without referring borrowed translations.
Balbir Singh
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Dear all and Laalsingh Jee!
You wrote "On the other hand, SGGS is full of shabads where devi (laxmi or shakti) is shown as maya (and in a bad light)."
Please provide one reference where reverend Gurus have said so. I will be grateful.
Perhaps you have read and understood the translations. Sikhs have no choice left than muddling down in reading, discussing and preaching translations.
Experiencing the Guru is a blessing.
Balbir Singh
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Dear all and PAL 07 Jee!
You wrote "In fact a true khalsa is much greater than devtas." and "The Devtas are forever looking for the darshan and seva of Mahapursh naam abysises."
Please provide references where true Gurus have said so. I will be thankful.
Quote "Reminds me of the sakhi when shiva came to massage Sant Gurbachan Singh's legs (Gyan Kirna - Jeevan Sant Gurbachan Singh by Preetam Singh Likhari DDT)"
In my view, true Sikhi is not based on Sakhis and the lessons from DDT.
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Quote "O yeh and just another thing there is no such thing as devi having 8 arms (or anyother devtas for that matter) infact they only have two arms like us and the other arms are symbolic of the things that they are holding, . . . "
Strange, Devee gave you Darshan of her two arms, the lucky person!
Balbir Singh
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Dear all!
The Khalsa Fauj Jee wrote "Devi bhagat, Harjas Kaur, you are lost in maayaa because Gurbani says: Devi Devaa Mool Hai Maayaa"
Baabaa Jee Gurbani also says.
ਮਾਣਸ ਤੇ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਭਏ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਨਾਮੁ ਹਰੇ ॥
माणस ते देवते भए धिआइआ नामु हरे ॥
Māṇas ṯe ḏevṯe bẖa▫e ḏẖi▫ā▫i▫ā nām hare. SGGS 90
ਜਿਨਿ ਮਾਣਸ ਤੇ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਕੀਏ ਕਰਤ ਨ ਲਾਗੀ ਵਾਰ ॥੧॥
जिनि माणस ते देवते कीए करत न लागी वार ॥१॥
Jin māṇas ṯe ḏevṯe kī▫e karaṯ na lāgī vār. ||1|| SGGS 462
ਮਾਨਸ ਤੇ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਭਏ ਸਚੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਦੇਇ ॥
मानस ते देवते भए सची भगति जिसु देइ ॥
Mānas ṯe ḏevṯe bẖa▫e sacẖī bẖagaṯ jis ḏe▫e. SGGS 850
Please explain this. Hari Simran transforms one to Devte. Does Simran of Hari Naam leads one to Mool of Maayaa?
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Sikhi is not a mind's imagination and its propaganda.
Gurdev wrote Vaars of Durgaa, Chandee and their Ustati. Gurdev got wisdom and their Darshan also. Gurdev's wonderful explanations of Devee are direct experiences, I feel.
Better talk to your mind. Why are you missing Devee's Darshan and what Devee is?
Balbir Singh
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Dear all!
Did Baabaa Santa Singh Jee mention the profile, color, form, material or religion of Devee?
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Perhaps Devee received the Darshan of Gur Gobind and could not remain hidden anymore.
Balbir Singh
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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!
Thanks for the great Vaaks from Gurdev SGGS 944.
Please explain the Vaaks that are confirming The Guru's suggestion, to reject yogic practices from the reference
given by you? I will be grateful.
Balbir Singh