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I competely agree with you that Gurbani is Universal. Try to understand my point. You are quoting panktis talking about one same thing. But if we consider Guru sahib teachings like a story....
First guru sahib tells us that this world is our temporary residence and we are separated from Vaheguru. The aim of our life is to have darshan of Vaheguru. Then he tells us that getting his darshan is not an easy task as a very powerful entity, Maaya stops you from doing his bhagti. When we ask guru sahib how to fight it, then he gives us the jugti. He instructs us to go in saadh sangat and listen to the praises of Vaheguru. There, there would be only talks of Vaheguru and not anything worldly. In that sangat, we will be inspired by gursikhs to have a ucha sucha jeevan and jap naam. With that sangat, our love and yearning to meet Vaheguru increases and we will take Amrit. Then he instructs us to keep Rehat so that our Kamaayi is protected and secured. Then he commands us to not only focus on our jeevan but also inspire others to move towards this path.
And finally, this pankti comes into play- One who sings the praises of lord with love and devotion will surely get mukt.
I had quoted a pankti in my previous posts which clearly said that ONLY SATGURU can give naam. We already agree that without naam, there's no mukti. So, if we are able to conclude that who is this Satguru then we can end this debate.ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਕਾ ਹੋਰੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਕੋਈ ਨਾਹੀ ॥
The True Guru is the Giver of the Lord's Name. There is no other giver at all.
ਮਨਮੁਖ ਭਗਤਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਭਗਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਈ ਰਾਮ ॥
The self-willed manmukhs practice devotional rituals without the True Guru, but without the True Guru, there is no devotion.
If we conclude that Satguru can also refer to a Pooran Brahmgyani then surely, non Sikhs who haven't received naam from Guru Nanak Dev Ji can get Mukti.
But if we conclude that only Guru Nanak Dev Ji is Satguru then it leaves no doubt that only a Sikh, who has received naam from Guru sahib can get mukt.
Do you agree with me on the last 3 paragraphs?
Trimandeep Singh
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17 hours ago, paapiman said:
Another set of beautiful verses from Gurbani (From Sri Thiti Gauree Saab), which illustrates that any human being (Sikh or non-Sikh) has a chance to reach Sackhand.
ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿਹੋਇਨਿਰਮਲਾਕਟੀਐਜਮਕੀਫਾਸ॥
In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you shall become absolutely pure, and the noose of death shall be cut away.@paapiman Do you think this means that JUST by going in saadh sangat one can get mukt?
Or does it mean if one goes to saadh sangat, one gets inspired to do bhagti, receive naam from Satguru (amrit) and finally gets darshan of Vaheguru?
Think about it.
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21 hours ago, paapiman said:
The fruits are probably given away as Parshad afterwards
Oh okay.
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19 hours ago, Ragmaala said:
It’s probably an offering to Bhagauti Ji, Aadi Shakti of Nirankar. Sounds similar to karah prashad kirpan bheta.
Sikh scholars and mahapurush say that offering of Karah Prashad to Guru sahib is Gurmat because guru sahib 'chhaks' it but offering eatables to Guru Granth sahib Ji is Manmat because Satguru Ji is beyond hunger and ETERNAL guru.
However, some sampradas do offer eatables which may or may not be Gurmat.
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4 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:I think Bhai Jaita Singh's work mentions the jhatkaing of goats in the first Amritsanchar? I can't find my copy to check though?
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Siri Gur Katha
Bhai Jaita Ji’s name shines in the Sikh history like a koh-i-noor diamond. He made a great sacrifice for the panth. It was only him who brought ‘Sees’ of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji from Delhi. It was him who fought numerous battles in Guru Sahib’s army and gave shaheedi at Chamkaur Sahib. He was not only a great gursikh but also a great poet and writer. He wrote Siri Gur Katha granth which remained hidden from the panth until recently. Even today most of the Sikhs are unaware of its existence. Bhai Sahib wrote much more but it is believed that due to wars and persecution it was lost. What remained stayed in the family of a gursikh.
Luckily, what remained is perhaps the most crucial information Sikhs need today. In the document Siri Gur Katha Bhai Sahib wrote eye witness accounts of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji’s Shaheedi, description of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, account of wars, and most importantly first Amrit Sanchaar. It also highlights rehat kurehat and some very fundamental beliefs of Gurmat which many of the Sikhs today hesitate to accept. I am not writing anything on my own (although it affirmed many of my beliefs) but I will post what it states. The purpose is for the readers to be aware of this and study it on their own. I am not trying to start any controversial topic or debate. Accepting it or rejecting it is the decision of the reader. I won’t post everything written in it but following is what I understood from the text. Here is some of what is written by Bhai Sahib:
1) There is no one equal to Guru Sahib throughout ages. Following Gurmat will bring muktee.
2) “Waheguru” is gurmantar. A Sikh should always recite it.
3) Sikhs are not to lie, slander, eat tobacco, eat kuttha, smoke, drink, commit adultery, and follow brahmanical rituals.
4) Piercing is forbidden.
5) Always remember Waheguru and be prepared to fight Dharam Yudh.
6) Help everyone who comes to you.
7) Realize that everyone is the child of Waheguru. Reject caste system.
Always wear Shastars without which one is a jackal.
9) Never cut or trim hair.
10) Always greet everyone with Fateh.
11) Do not wear “Laal Sooha” and “Nasvaar” clothes.
12) Always do sangat of Gursikhs. Do not intermingle with patits.
13) Worship only Akal Purakh.
14) Always eat the food prepared by Amritdharis.
15) Accept everything as will of Waheguru.
16) Five Kakkars are Kes, Kangha, Kara, Kirpan and Kachera.
17) Always wear dastaar on the head.
Much more is written on rehat but these are enough points. Amrit Sanchaar is perhaps the most important of all. Bhai Sahib writes that Guru Sahib took five heads, dead became alive, five banis were recited etc. Here are exact quotes:
1) Sikhs became alive which is the miracle of Guru Sahib.
2) Five Kakkars were given to the Pyaras. In the image word "Kes" is missing which is supposed to be after "Kach".
3) Amrit preparation begins.
4) How Amrit is prepared.
5) Five Banis are recited.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
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2 hours ago, Soulfinder said:
Sant ji hit the nail on the head! Noone can speak boldly like him. And the reasons he has given for not believing Jhatka stories are absolutely correct.
Someone who says something and does something else can never be a true sant, and here we are talking about Nirankaar himself.
Dhan Guru ke Sikh!
Trimandeep Singh
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Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
Today I watched this video in which a so called Giani, Barjinder Singh Parwana got a tattoo of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwaale on his arm, as a response to Shiv Sena's propaganda against him. Shiv Sena members celebrate the 'shaheedi' of Dushts Indira Gandhi, Beant Singh, General AS Vaidya and army soldiers who were killed by Khalsa Fauj during Operation Blue Star.
I don't think this is a good response according to Gurmat. Tattoos require the hairs to be shaved first plus it's altering the appearance given to us by Vaheguru Ji. This Barjinder Singh Parwana studied Gurmat at Damdami Taksaal Rajpura and was active during Farmers Protest in India. I wonder why he thinks it is okay to have a tattoo.
Sangat here is requested to give points why Tattoos are manmat according to Sikhi so that a 'bhatka hoyea' Sikh/seeker can be saved from doing this.
Daas,
Trimandeep Singh
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15 hours ago, paapiman said:
@Trimandeep Singh - Please listen to the above video bro. Jhatka of fruits (Apples, Bananas, Coconuts, etc) is done during the Paath of Sri Dasam Gurbani. It is done at the point, whenever there is a mention (in Gurbani) of a death of a demon or a evil person or a warrior.
Bhul chuk maaf
I am not convinced with this but again, whosoever does this, Mubarak to him. I haven't heard of any 'Maryada' like this and I am sure it doesn't do any harm if you don't do this 'fruit jhatka' during Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji sehaj or akhand Paath.
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SARBLOHI TYAAR-BAR-TYAAR BABBAR KHALSE JODHE
First Shaheed of Operation Blue Star, Shaheed Bhai Kulwant (Mehngha) Singh Ji Babbar. When he got shot on the head, nearby Singh asked him, "Are you fine?" and he replied, "Chardikala!". Also, he loved Sri Chandi Di Vaar.
Jathedar Shaheed Bhai Sukhdev Singh Ji Babbar
On the extreme right is Shaheed Bhai Amarjeet Singh Babbar who refused to eat anything until he got his kakaars back from the police.
Jathedar Bhai Sukhdev Singh Ji Babbar and Chief Bhai Sulakhan Singh Ji Babbar
Bhai Talwinder Singh Ji Babbar
Shaheed Bhai Anokh Singh Ji Babbar. He was severely tortured when he was arrested. The police hit him with hot iron rods on his abdomen, prick his private body parts with pins, took out his eyes and cut his tongue but he still repeated Vaheguru with every breath. It was evening time and he asked the time to the junior officer. The officer replied,"It's evening." Bhai Sahib Ji asked him to help him sit with his back on the wall so that he could recite Sri Rehraas Sahib. In the following ardaas, he requested Guru sahib to accept his ardaas today because he couldn't stand up on his feet. (his feet were broken by the dusht police)
Late Jathedar of AKJ UK, Bhai sahib Raghbir Singh Ji Babbar who did and received a lot of pyaar from Shaheed Bhai Anokh Singh Ji Babbar.
ਗਗਨਦਮਾਮਾਬਾਜਿਓਪਰਿਓਨੀਸਾਨੈਘਾਉ ॥
The battle-drum beats in the sky of the mind; aim is taken, and the wound is inflicted.ਖੇਤੁਜੁਮਾਂਡਿਓਸੂਰਮਾਅਬਜੂਝਨਕੋਦਾਉ॥੧॥
The spiritual warriors enter the field of battle; now is the time to fight! ||1||ਸੂਰਾਸੋਪਹਿਚਾਨੀਐਜੁਲਰੈਦੀਨਕੇਹੇਤ॥
He alone is known as a spiritual hero, who fights in defense of religion.ਪੁਰਜਾਪੁਰਜਾਕਟਿਮਰੈਕਬਹੂਨਛਾਡੈਖੇਤੁ॥੨॥੨॥
He may be cut apart, piece by piece, but he never leaves the field of battle. ||2||2||Trimandeep Singh
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29 minutes ago, Lucky said:
in sukham avastha the colors are energy fields like auric projections. They don't have baana as such like we do here. The few gurmukhs that I've come across who saw shaheeds saw them in white. It kinda made sense to me.
In one of the stories of Baba Mitt Singh Ji Huzoor sahib, I remember shaheed singhs themselves gave him Amrit and a baana to wear before taking Amrit. I'll check the color of the baana and the description of the shaheed singhs.
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1 minute ago, Lucky said:
yes, they usually recognized because they appear dressed in all white
Is that so? They wear only white baana? Why not neela baana?
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12 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:
Has anyone had the experience of "people" coming and standing behind you when you do Simran?
If so, how did it strike you? Who did you feel it was?
I have never had any experience like this. Though when we read Jeevanis of Abhiyaasis, shaheed singhs often came and sat beside them to do abhiyaas.
They often arrive at Kirtan mandals.
Trimandeep Singh
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22 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:
Ah. Here's some. This isn't the whole or exact Katha. Maybe later or in part 2 he finishes. The beginning of this does speak to it though.
Oh thanks ji. Bhai Jagraj Singh Ji was the first parcharak I listened too.
Trimandeep Singh
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7 hours ago, paapiman said:
First of all, it is evident from history that whenever Guru Sahib takes a test, the person is successful only when he actually does it. Eg: when Guru Nanak Dev Ji tested his gursikhs (Baba Budhaa Ji, Bhai Bhagirathi Ji, Bhai Lehna Ji), when he asked them to eat the corpse, it was only Bhai Lehna who came forward. But for Guru sahib, it didn't mean that Bhai Lehna passed the test. Bhai Lehna passed the test only when he actually started eating the corpse from the feet.
Similarly, when guru sahib asked the sangat to give their head, he actually cut off their heads in front of the whole sangat.
Do you agree with this @paapiman?
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Akaali Baba Maan Singh Ji, Jathedar of Guru Nanak Dal is one of the few gursikhs today who has supported worldwide parchaar of Sikhi. His love for keertan and amount of bani he has memorized is unimaginable. Plus he strictly follows hukam of Guru Angad Dev Ji of having a fit and healthy lifestyle.
Vaah Vaah!
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I have many photos of Bhai sahib Jeevan Singh Ji, the companion of Bhai sahib Randhir Singh Ji. And in all his photos, he's only smiling. I can't imagine him ever being angry.
Bhai sahib Jeevan Singh Ji with Bhai Sahib Surat Singh Ji who was named 'Pooran' (complete) by Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji because of his gursikh jeevan.
Bhai Sahib Jeevan Singh Ji crying at the Akaal Chalaana of Bhai Sahib Surat Singh Pooran Ji.
I think that in this photo, Bhai Sahib is wearing the Kirpan of Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwaale which was gifted to him by sant ji when he did Kirtan at Gurudwara Samagam at Mehta or Bhindran.
His glowing face!
I just love him! Wish I met him in person.
Photos of Akaali Baba Maan Singh Ji Guru Nanak Dal will be uploaded in the next post.
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27 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:Veer ji thats a really good idea. We can both make one a new thread dedicated to the great mahapurshs especially as dass is a premi of sadhus and mahapurshs.
Yeah sure you create one. Currently I am having around 500 photos of Mahapurush and some are of unknown gursikhs only showing pyaar to each other.
Vaheguru, when I don't feel reading more bani, I just see the photos of these Mahaan abhiyaasi gursikhs and the excitement and motivation is rejuvenated!
Dhan Guru Dhan Guru Pyaare!
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17 hours ago, Soulfinder said:
@Trimandeep Singh thanks veer ji for sharing as dass is a premi of sant ji
Is there any thread on this forum where sangat shares photos of mahapurush gursikhs?
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8 hours ago, Samarbir Singh said:WJKK WJKF
Hello gurmukho I have been doing around 3 hours of simran and around 1:30 hour of paath daily. But recently I have lost the excitement I used to have. And now it’s like I have push through the times I have set for me but before It used very to complete these times such as 3 hours of simran. How do I regain that chao or excitement again. Is it just a state that will come and go?
Bhul Chuk Maaf
One humble advice ji before starting, please avoid mentioning your Nitnem and bhagti routine in your posts. Simply mention the problem.
Veerji, this is normal with gursikhs and seekers. I have been through this. I think it happens because of lack of sabar (patience) in us. We expect huge results in less time or expect some progress after continuous effort.
Bhai Sahib Vir Singh Ji used to say,
"Who are we? How can we even ask for naam ras to Guru sahib? We haven't done anything great. A seeker should continuously shower arrows of Vaheguru naam on the enemy (5 Chor). Sometimes, guru sahib, out of his kirpaalu nature, feels pity on us and gives rass, so that we don't faulter and continue to do abhyaas to have that experience again. The first avastha is like licking a tasteless pebble. Doing abhyaas during times of rass is a good thing to keep it going. But the real warrior is that person who continues to do abhyaas even when he doesn't derive any rass."
8 hours ago, Samarbir Singh said:How do I regain that chao or excitement again.
Puraatan gursikhs used to attend Kirtan smaagams to regain their excitement. Once a person asked a Gurmukh, "Why do you attend every Samagam? Don't you have a job or a business? How do you take out time to attend for such long periods?"
The gurmukh replied, "Main apni battery charge karwaan aunda haan", meaning "I come everytime to charge my battery."
So go in sangat and attend Kirtan smaagams to charge your battery
Or you can also read Jeevanis of Mahaan Gursikhs. And Jail Chithiyan of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji is a must read!
Guru Sahib kirpa karan
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7 hours ago, paapiman said:Also, both Sri Sooraj Prakash and Sri Pracheen Panth Prakash state that Sri Satguru jee (Tenth Master) did Jhatka of goats before the First Amrit Sanchar. Is that right?
I have no problem with Jhatka. But, this story that guru sahib took those to be-Panj pyaare in a tent and then killed goats and showed the sangat his sword with blood is kinda weird.
First of all, it is evident from history that whenever Guru Sahib takes a test, the person is successful only when he actually does it. Eg: when Guru Nanak Dev Ji tested his gursikhs (Baba Budhaa Ji, Bhai Bhagirathi Ji, Bhai Lehna Ji), when he asked them to eat the corpse, it was only Bhai Lehna who came forward. But for Guru sahib, it didn't mean that Bhai Lehna passed the test. Bhai Lehna passed the test only when he actually started eating the corpse from the feet.
Similarly, when guru sahib asked the sangat to give their head, he actually cut off their heads in front of the whole sangat.
If you say, that guru sahib took them in a tent and fooled the sangat that it was human blood on his sword, then you are accusing Guru sahib of lying to the sangat and doing something different from what he said. (sorry I said accusing, used the wrong word; I mean the implication of this saakhi)
Do you know what Gurbani says about people who speak different and do different?
ਜਿਨ੍ਹ ਮਨਿ ਹੋਰੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਹੋਰੁ ਸਿ ਕਾਂਢੇ ਕਚਿਆ ॥੧॥
(ਪਰ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਹੋਰ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਮੂੰਹੋਂ ਕੁਝ ਹੋਰ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ ਉਹ ਕੱਚੇ (ਆਸ਼ਕ) ਆਖੇ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ।੧।)
(Those who have one thing in their heart, and something else in their mouth, are judged to be false. ||1||)
My belief is that guru sahib actually cut off their heads in front of the whole sangat and when they poured amrit in their mouth, they became alive.
We are going off-topic ji...
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Below is the video of the conversation between Sant Jarnail Singh Ji and a western fortune teller recorded in 1984. It's awesome! We can learn from it that Ridhi Sidhis like- whatever you say becomes true, to be able to know the future, know tomorrow's weather, conversations through mind etc are just like toys that are possessed by an Abhiyaasi. But they are only a play of Maaya. One may use these for selfish purposes due to which there is huge loss of Kamaayi. One should remain determined to have darshan of Vaheguru during this life.
ਸਿਧੁ ਹੋਵਾ ਸਿਧਿ ਲਾਈ ਰਿਧਿ ਆਖਾ ਆਉ ॥
If I were to become a Siddha, and work miracles, summon wealth and have miraculous powers at my feetਗੁਪਤੁ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਇ ਬੈਸਾ ਲੋਕੁ ਰਾਖੈ ਭਾਉ ॥
and become invisible and visible at will, so that people would hold me in aweਮਤੁ ਦੇਖਿ ਭੂਲਾ ਵੀਸਰੈ ਤੇਰਾ ਚਿਤਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨਾਉ ॥੩॥
-seeing these, I might go astray and forget You, and Your Name would not enter into my mind. ||3||Vaheguru!
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1 minute ago, paapiman said:
@Trimandeep Singh - Please listen to the katah below.
Chandi Pargat Hona - Katha by Giani Baba Inderjit Singh Ji part 1 - YouTube
Bhul chuk maaf
Giani ji is in favor of Havan so why wouldn't he accept this story?
Bring some stuff from anti-havan Gianis too.
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1 minute ago, paapiman said:
Similarly, Sri Satguru jee (Tenth Master) showed the whole world the effect on Gurbani on Fire before Amrit Sanchar. Gurmat Havan was done by Maharaaj, in order to manifest the Sri Aad Shakti of Sri Waheguru jee.
Bhul chuk maaf
This 'Gurmat heaven' is not at all mentioned in the letter of the spy of Aurangzeb who was sent by him to send daily reports about events in Sri Anandpur Sahib. The spy was the eye witness of the first Khande di Pahaul Amrit Sanchaar. He was so much amazed by Guru Sahib's Kala that he too became a gursikh and sent back a letter to Aurangzeb stating that he will no longer serve him. His letters are still present at Aligarh University.
These Havan things were rejected by many jatha scholars. Also, we shouldn't forget that Kavi Santokh Singh Ji collected these stories without any bias so he just recorded instead of scrutinizing for which the panth is thankful to him.
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1 hour ago, paapiman said:
Btw, bro, which Gurbani verses clearly state that Paras Kala of Gurbani affects water?
Bhul chuk maaf
I will try to find Gurbani panktis. But, I don't think there is any need to prove this because Satguru Ji already showed the whole world, the effect of Gurbani on water in 1699.
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Jhatka of Fruits
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Gursikho, I am neutral on this topic of offering eatables To Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
I just put forward the opinions of Scholars and Gursikhs.
We already know that bhog of degh is gurmat. But if we read opinions of scholars like Giani Harbans Singh Ji on offering of eatables and those of sampradas, then both of their points seem convincing and in line with Gurmat.
I am not against or in favour of this practice.
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