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I wonder how many languages which do not have an official alphabet or have English Alphabet imposed on them could benefit from adapting Gurmukhi? Maybe Aboriginal languages or African one? Or minority Indian languages or Native American ones? Or should it only be confined to Sikh or Panjabi communities?

I disagree with the comment about Darsham Granth and Adi Granth being the same, otherwise an ok summary https://historicallyspeakingssc.wordpress.com/2022/01/05/a-history-of-the-gurmukhi-script-of-the-punjabi-language/

https://omniglot.com/writing/punjabi.htm

http://www.5abi.com/5ratan/

https://dic.learnpunjabi.org/ I use this to write my stories also this https://www.shabdkosh.com/dictionary/english-punjabi/

Anger..No Emoji for Anger so that is how I am showing it..just the one word

yes http://www.5abi.com/5ratan/

Thanks. If you want I can collate them all here. It was normally Dalsingh100 doing that kind of stuff. I feel a bit arrogant to do that myself, which is why I haven't specifically done it like that. I had sent my Chita Te Kala to be made into an Audiobook but so far have not been told when and if that will be made available

I rather talk about the language on my other thread than carry this one on if this is where it leads . My difficulty with other subjects on this forum is I am A SIKH but to me calling it a religion was really a western idea. If it was not seen in simple terms of mattha teking in front of the GGS, people would realise it is actually Sikhi and not Sikhism...thus the tenets and ideas can be developed more as a chosen way of life and philosophy....which will lead to the rational side of Sikhi dealing with Science etc..and thus it is an eastern philosophical school of thought taught by 10 teachers whose ideas should be revered rather than blindly praying to them like their are Hindu Gods. Is that not the very rejection they practised? Going off piste now...sorry

Re the film it wasn't the Jatt aspect I was interested in at all, in fact it is reduced to just his character name in it. Other aspects of the film mean its a big leap in film making that all. re all the other things you have said about it,..well you are correct. I come historically from the Jatts and yes it is us who go on and on and on and on about it. And yes all your other points are valid. But if you are encouraging me to stick too doing my thing, I encourage you to ignore and carry on doing your contribution ..the reality id its not just Panjabis..95% of the word population is as stupid as you just described and always will be...its the easy and comfortable path for them

Do these two likes make it 4?

Anyone who has the word Jatt in his song to be honest or any other caste name..So many singers do it I can't be more specific than that other than googling up all their names and songs...but it isn't just the singers...normal people still use it for marriage proposals etc

That;s true. When I sing its praises I am only thinking about language and quality of film. Along with the original Gandasa story it is a reflection of a certain regionand time period. Caste has no space nowadays for sure. But even look at all the songs Sikhs singers still sing...our people just can't seem to let go of it

your participation is enough. i feel like this is a scene out of the Magnificent 7 where I now say ...That's 2

thanks done

http://www.punjabizm.com/forums-vachitarvaadlok-112834-5-1.html Kind of related to the ਬਾਗ਼ੀ ਬੱਤੀ post

sorry about spelling mistake of Panjabi, didn't spot it. No idea how to change it in title

In short the idea is not necessarily to create a different type of literary movement in terms of something like Modernism, Romanticism etc, but more like a unit of few like minded individuals with broadly the same goals, such as Beat Poets or Bloomsbury group. Only unlike the latter two we don't know each other or are physically too far away from each other to meet up. I would like to propose the Sikhawareness forum as the conduit of communication and organisation, No leader or Pardaan is required. No ਫ਼ਰਕ should take place. Despite my title of the post it does not mean we exclude people from the subcontinent, or Panjabis who are of different castes ( As Sikhs we fundamentally reject such crap anyhow) or even religions. Again as Sikhs unlike other religions we do not call ours the true one. We accept all and tell a Hindu for example to be the best Hindu he can etc. Anyhow such like matters are to be discussed and have already been discussed under other relevant topics. So this means the Muslim majority who make up most Panjabis can partake if they wish. Though I personally prefer to promote the Gurmukhi writing system, we cannot be prejudice to other alphabets including Latin / English one. If there is an appetite for this , this thread will soon show that, as it will if there is not. My proposal is simple, - Promotion of Reading Gurmukhi books and literature, whether religious / philosophical or Poetry or fiction, - Promotion of contemporary Panjabi language, in particular the way it has evolved outside Panjab ( India and Pakistan) for example in English Language countries. - Pride in our different format of Panjabi, be it due to lexicon, grammar or Style. And to write in its authentic voice primarily for our future generations but also to have some compromise to make it work for Panjabis from Panjab where in reality most readers are from. - Experimenting in our own way with the language and style ( thus the proposed group title ਬਾਗ਼ੀ ਬੱਤੀ ( see link...You can join this group to discuss the same too... https://www.facebook.com/groups/362576490509036/ ). - Creating our own literature If people are interested let me know here. As there were only 5 Pyaray, I see no concern in worrying about getting more than that in numbers anyhow. I long ago labelled my own style as ਵਿਚਿਤਰਵਾਦ as a mash up of typical English literature in areas as diverse as Sci-Fi and Fantasy . Magical realism and new type of sentence structure. Taht can be up for discussion, but no one has to follow that way of doing things

So what does this have to do with us? Well first and foremost the Panjabi language and similiar traits to the culture and character of Sikhs. Not even 1% of Pakistani perople will even know that the original film in the 70s was based on a Punjabi short story called Gandasa It then appeared as Wehsii Jatt and then updated itself a the major Pakistani film Maula Jatt in 1980 which in turn was made into the film Putt Jattan De in Indian Punjab as well as some HIndi Bolllywood film. And now the Pakistani Cinema has reclaimed it as the Legend of Maula jatt. All I can say is the current Indian Punjabi film industry has been churning out light entertainment that does not do much for Panjabi and that Bolywood filsm are now all crap. With this in mind and context the new version has decimated Bollywood and makes most current Charda Panjab film slook..well poor. One problem is we only promote singers and not actual actors ( apart from on part where all the actors sing there are no actual songs in the traditional sense in Maula Jatt or aping of Bollywood) Indian Panjabi cinema needs to learn from this film and forge and ID away from aping Hindi Cinema formula. We watched it as the only Sikhs in the Cinema where there was a little discomfort ( caused I think by all of our 1947 etc post prejudices and past histories) but there was no clashing and all enjoyed it equally and was proud to see our language up there. I feel sorry for the 25m Sikhs and Hindu Punajbis that are in India as they are being deprived for some reason by the Indian authorities or something form seeing it,. It just hasn't released there. So what else can I say? Fantastic. Film possibly the best Punjabi film ever made certainly superior to all Hindi films since Sholay ਅਸੀਂ ਹੁਣੀ ਮੌਲਾ ਜੱਟ ਫਿਲਮ ਵੇਖ ਕੇ ਹੱਟੇ। ਸ਼ਾਹਿਦ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਜ਼ਬਰਦਸਤ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਫਿਲਮ ever ਹੈ। ਚੜ੍ਹਦੇ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਾਲੀਆਂ ਫਿਲਮਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਕਾਫ਼ੀ ਬਿਹਤਰ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਬੋਲੀਵੂਡ ਦੀ ਰੀਸ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤੀ। ਬਕਵਾਸ ਗਾਣੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਨ ਪਰ ਗੋਰਿਆਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਫਿਲਮਾਂ ਵਾਂਙ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਕਹਾਣੀhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=pEWqOAcYgpQ&fbclid=IwAR0oYsE1vuKkTq0dDDdS_G0bZJ3rry2GBXuDwhVC1UCDdPycJS2zUwajyys Also check the review out of this guy as well https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYTaWOqkjhX0%26fbclid%3DIwAR1-8WtY0QZgqUZlH017lFgJ6hzUuyJgG80ZNQtq4_CSYVI3gkmw_Pe6fVw&h=AT0pgTJYrFsNvut5E9BAJ1hEDP2myMw1hTYd8YVqCPh5xZ_DPzzoSGNJqJwpSMSSfsVcO-9MRDraQ3lhSUzWoyW8W7JC3jb64LY92AtO_aoRhvwUWl0AQM5GBISL8AriAdmO&__tn__=%2CmH-R&c[0]=AT0ZUVtzHpnQgVpd50iF2mz1sfJ7tI71mTSE1RAmDF0btRErOpld1Vm2R4BQCMMJLnCXQVEaioBLwcekoBLjWuKJ3mKDBGuR7tXqFWKotyaHNfzOytoRbuIRThF_5dNa7J9oTWSPbxCOTyvXNDx97Q8LT7ZHTWVJIB6HYriME1BzhaZP_dY_35f_yVsTdJk4NPRpPSqbGX9XArrrkPdL-5A

Sorry Dal. I didn't mean to stress you. Work comes first. I appreciate what you have said. I did want to message you but the website doesn't let me. I guess the issue I have is having not been schooled in Panjabi even in the west, I am prone to grammar and occasional spelling errors. What makes it more difficult is I am writing my syntax as we Punjabis ( Sikhs really as I can't speak for the other Panjabis if we are using religious labels) in the west speak. It is a fact English syntax impact us. This means Indian Panjabi readers are less forgiving as to them the Creole dialect of ours is alien and wrong. That is understandable and I do try and write as close to Taxila / Kendri Panjabi as I am able to but I enjoy making my sentences the way the writer in English I read structure them. SO it becomes depressing when all I get is your work is full of galtian even after 20 years of self learning. The fact is many so called famous Theth Panjabi writers have errors but because the world now knows I am from the west even the most uneducated one of them feels they can getaway with saying it to me. It becomes depressing as the natural audience for me is YOU, and very few of YOU will read Panjabi outside of a religious / Philosophical book. Only if you think that there are even 50 potential readers in the west / world who would appreciate it I feel like carrying on. Otherwise no, I don't. If you think there are 50 ( to date only 3 or 4 on Sikhawareness I have noticed take an interest) then I will write a separate post with a proposal about all this, On the positive side some people in Panjab have began recognising me, so maybe those who burn me down are just jealous? And also I could run my manuscripts by so called Panjabi experts before I go to publish in future

Dalsingh101 himself hasn't responded

I am considering starting a reading group of just a few maybe Lehar,,,on Sikhawareness, depends upon feedback on all this

Thanks for your confidence, but really need to think who will be motivated to use Punjabi from us Baharlay Banday I think

And yet I get reviews ,like this from others....https://ibb.co/mHqPLDK Dalsingh 101 himself has said nothing about what he thinks